Yeah but a good leader will kick them out or train them properly. If you're leader's shit then the team follows through

The berry bushes for example
A couple good guys on that team, but a horrible leader who actually instructed them to cheat.

Airsoft is a tough place for leadership. I see way to many people rise to the top solely based on the size of their mouth. Eventually they wind up in a situation where being a blowhard isn't a tactical advantage and it all falls apart.

They're never humble enough to admit what they did wrong. Instead they blame the other team, the rules, the admin, the weather and they keep on running off.

For airsoft leadership the very first step is example. If you don't have that down to a T then time is running out faster than you think.

Yeah but that video is from 2012, way before the most recent ban.

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/d...0650820313.jpg

> mfw people claim they can't hear/feel shit hitting their gear. 99% of hits to gear are obvious. I don't buy this excuse at all.

But it probably weighted alot in the balance though.

You jizz in your pants?

I didn't re-check but wasn't it Dec 2012? Not that long ago if I saw correctly or remember correctly..

there were times when I've been hit by a BB and didn't feel it. The person who shot me shouted "YOUR OUT, I HIT YOU" and I walked off the field.

I think its the shooters call, I don't see a point in arguing.
its just like kids playing cops and robbers. "I SHOT YOU", "NO I SHOT YOU"
Cmon, swallow your pride and move on.

Anybody else hear rumors that GMR is planning on going to Art of War?


Every game I have been to in the last couple years have moved to a 'don't call others hits' rule. If you think you hit somebody and they did not call it, shoot them again or bring it up to game control. Yelling at others to call their hits just leads to problem.

+1 Same here. Generally it leads to a verbal fight and most of the time the shooter cannot confirm at 100% that he really hits the traget...

You made a good point, I guess I gave a poor example, my point was that I don't see a point in arguing over a game of honor.

It makes me wonder if the situation arose where two people who were blatantly not calling hits got into some sort of john woo shootout trading shots until they ran dry. like t800 vs. t1000 :D

Guess who just bought ASC and moving to Canada.

I strongly disagree. It is the person who is shot who must call themselves hit, otherwise you get exactly what you don't want, "I shot you, you're hit." That is the second worst kind of airsofter. Intentionally not calling hits is a close on top.

It is the shooters job to hit the target, they may feel like they hit them, or miss for a stellar number of reasons (Wind, BB Drop, Poor Eyesight, Trees, Gun Malfunction, Magazine Malfunction, BB Deformaty, or maybe the Gods just fucking vanished that BB.) but it is never the job of the shooter to call another persons hit.

When the shooter is LACING the non-caller, and they are not calling hits... Then you have to call yourself out, and go have a chat with the individual/s and resolve the issue. This is called a parlay. Often game staff is brought over to discuss the actions and normally resolves in both players going back to respawn, or if this is along standing problem, the cheater being ejected.

EDIT: As a caveat, written or spoken field rules obviously override all of the above, ultimately do what game staff tell you - or leave - it's their game.

if you're inclined to listen "This Week in Airsoft" posted a new podcast from them addressing the latest kerfuffle
http://thegreenmountainrangers.podom...14_19_06-07_00

Sssooo...Running irregular gear that and not asking the organizer if it ok (i.e. ladders and bikes) (read litterally hiding it from everyone) is ok?

They sound like douchebag tokers. Doesn't really help their cause the way I hear it.

Everything in that podcast makes them sound like huge assholes, with no respect to the rules and setup of the games :/

Umm, just how high was GMR elevated onto their ivory pedestal by the community that we ended up with 8 pages of vitriol over a team that 99.999% of the people piping up in this thread will never meet much less game with/against?

They were kinda high profile due to their videos (credit be given where its deserved, they did have their shit together in terms of gear and movement) but I think on a more visceral level, they've become emblematic of a local player or team most of us know or encountered in our time playing. I've personally heard a lot of [relating to this thread about GMR] "its a lot like whats going on/happened with __________" discussions.

Plus ASC fucking loves drama.

There's a few teams I can think who's name can be inserted there :P

Anyway, I really don't think we have much to worry about from GMR as Canadian Airsofters, if they did show up, we just ban them, simple as that.

In regards to the plate carrier and hits argument, as someone who'se gamed a PC, you hear that shit, no two ways about it.

FTFY

We've got the answer here.

Altercation video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=383666218417998

hahah under the post of that video people are back on the gmr band wagon, I would like to see the full uncut video, even a idiot could edit the stuff they were accused of out.

even a idiot can also jump onto a hate bandwagon.. not saying i approve of everything they do/say, but there's a stupid amount of hate going out on them from people who weren't there/will never actually meet any of them... i don't know 'em, nor will I likely ever, so realistically this point is moot.

If that video proves anything, its that they are undisciplined hotheads.

My favorite part is the comments of people saying GMR should be unbanned from every field - forgetting that they seem to cause shit wherever they go. These games are not a public service. They don't have to be fair in their bans. The fact that drama seems to follow them where ever they go should be enough to turf them. If you cause more problems (Constant post game drama / rage visible to the international community) than you solve (people having a good time playing Airsoft) why would anyone want to have you be at the event in the first place?

There are a number of individuals and groups that are banned here in Ontario based solely on that criteria.

they say grmpls. I can see both sides of the coin from that video.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/37162448.jpg

They did try to deescalate it by walking away but I can see why it got heated somewhat the staff members a) were grabbing them b) yelling at them c) getting in their face d) swearing at them. After seeing that chalk it up to the heat of the moment and move on. No idea why it got to the point it did.

Its hard to say what really did happen from only that video. Its only a snapshot of the entire story. That video alone doesnt explain possible accumulation of prior events that may have led to said escalation.

Im not sure about the situation, but my question is why McKnight had to personally come out to get the to the GMR back in line? Why did regular game staff not suffice?

"We didn't yell at a veteran on memorial day, we yelled at a dude on a sunday....it just happened to be a veteran and memorial day"

But you had already been there a day and didn't recognize Col McKnight???

What's that rumbling sound?

Oh, it's everybody scrambling off the hatewagon.

I don't post much but I should just point this out...

I still don't have much respect for GMR due to the way they handled the trolling on their Facebook page. They could have locked it for comments instead of returning it back with insults and racist remarks.

Yes you can make fun of people back but when you start to bring racism into it, that's where I draw the line. It's morally wrong and something that should not be tolerated in society at all. All things aside from what GMR did, they didn't lose my respect until I saw how far they sunk when handling this situation.

Play Against them, We have
 

Play against Talon then form your opinion...as far as the hate wagon goes, I couldn't care less if these guys ever play again...and if they do we will still take the fight to them.

Bottom line is, wherever they go they stir up alot of confrontational shit which effects the game host and ppl not wanting to return.

The other fact, is these guys will do crazy things in Operations like jump from a building to another Building on Federal Mount Site which got them banned but more over can you imagine what could of happen to BLACKSHEEP MILSIM if one of these idiots fell and severely hurt themselves.

I didn't start the thread but gave the thread 3 personal experiences, the last time they were honorable and called their hits with us and left after we cleared the Building. Jeff lowry from Ithica Airsoft has well document film footage of these guy wanting to fight with somebody (he film onw of their Documentries). If these guys are playing at a game we are still going play aginst them.

As far as the video goes, I don't know (or why they didn't put it out sooner) if was edited or not by I here Major McNight requesting them to move back with the others and why they are up there...he ask for their SL and they are insubordinate to him...games in USA CHAIN OF COMMAND, COY/PL/SL are enforeced moreover as oppose to Canada.

What I suggest to Canadian MISLMIMERS or AIRSOFTERS go to a game USA (with Noteriety) and you will see a big a difference. When your paying $150 to $200 a game and getting an excellent theatre of realism of FORCE on FORCE you don't want some Team out tere ruined it for someone else and I don't mean by legitimately winnning but clearly violated the rules, regulations and saftey of the venue.

The person who started this thread had reason why he did it...whether it is a hate thread, whether it is non hit calling thread or whether is Plate carrier thread etc....these guys have a noteriety of cheating, disobeying staff, safety violations wherever they go (I can attest to that) someone in the communitty addressed it. This is what happened, however I can't see BLACKJACK saying anything negative about Veterans because he served in Iraq himself.

No disrespect to you Talon, I have gamed with and against you and your an honorable player. Iam actually amazed on how many hits this thread got...there maybe 60 MILSIMERS in Canada who have actually gone up against them. One thing for sure, with all their antics at the BLACKSHEEP MILSIMS. Major John Bucciarelli doesn't want them back...but believe it or not they did make a good name for themselves at some John earlier events but their track record in the last 3 and half years is lacking in desire.

Q

And I think that will be our closing comment. We've heard both sides. Nothing more constructive will come of this thread.