Krytac or VFC - For A Beginner Gun [Upgrade Friendly]
 

Hello Vetrans and Gun Dr ....

I am going to pull the plug and get a aeg riffle. I am caught between these three :

Krytac Full Metal Trident SPR Airsoft AEG Rifle - Black
http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/K...ck_p_1390.html

VFC VR16 Fighter CQB
http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/V...QB_p_1242.html

VFC VR16 Saber CQB
http://www.uppercanadatactical.com/V...QB_p_1240.html


which one should i get - i am somewhat of a noob and then not a noob. I have read enough to narrow down what's best for me.
I looked into many and have read alot on here and other forums. I chose the two brand because they have good reviews for starter guns. Krytac has a good build and VFC is known to be very good external and internal. I will eventually upgrade my guns for performance. So gun plummers - which one should i get for upgrades and mods ?

Or do the vets suggest a different brand ?

Thanks

I have heeded the advice of Z because I want to have him eventually do the upgrades for me so I have ordered the VFC. I figure if he says they are better to work on, and I want him to do the work... well, why not listen to him ;)

Vfc 100%

I would say the krytac if you dont plan on changing it, all the krytac requires is a hop up mod to make it a very above average gun, it has a mosfet and neo motor stock, billet aluminum receivers that make ptw users green.

on the other hand:

the VFC has cast aluminum recievers that are a little bit better then systemas, the internals are meh, and the motor specificly is terrible, arguably the worst ive ever had the displeasure of taking out of a gun, HOWEVER the krytac has propriatary components and that means your stuck with them and that means the VFC has the ability to become significantly better with upgrades if you have the right person do the mods!

so basicly it comes down to: above average performance for no work, or the best performance for alot of work. I should say that krytac and VFC will both shoot the same distance because you can mod the barrel groups exactly the same, the difference will be in the trigger and ROF, although the krytac is pretty quick even stock, and the krytac is very very easy to make into a DSG.

BenG - For the krytac, what hop up mod are you referring to?

Kids, this is why you don't smoke cheap crack!

So expensive crack is ok though right?

Of course.

flat or Rhop either will do, the stock barrel isnt that great but its not worth changing unless your switching to a high quality stainless barrel like a PDI or Prometheus.

I should also mention although it does have a neo motor they are synthetic neo magnets and arnt the strongest things on the planet, and the krytac would benefit from a comprehensive shim job.

alright so very above average was a stretch

Anything not VFC will give you chlamydia. Do you want chlamydia? Because that is how you get chlamydia!

I digress, VFCs recievers are cast aluminum, the krytacs are billet the krytac has a built in mosfet, neo motor and a rotary hop up that will take more then one bucking, quick change spring. It walks all over the VFC. Which has none of those but does have a weak tappet plate, and a motor that provides about as much torque as a hamster in a wheel, the hop up is rotary but is way to snug to accept anything other then the stock vfc bucking without some serious pursuation. Why would I still reqomend VFC? Because the downfall of the krytac is propriatary parts which means that the VFC can be upgraded to surpass pretty much anything. Also VFC makes a 416

/End discussion :)

Krytac is Billet? Like CNC'd billet 6061? I have a Krytac, someone must have replaced it with a pot metal receiver.

I have seen this thread come up so many times I may go out of my way and make a writeup one of these days...

Krytac is not billet, I have no idea where you got that idea from. BenG I think you should get some more first hand experience before you start preaching so much. Krytac also has a shitty paint job, it scratches as soon as it touches a hard surface.

VFC is cast aluminum finished via CNC machining. I suspect Krytac would be the same. I used to work for the only Krytac dealer in Canada, I am now a partner with VFC Canada.

Krytac does not "walk all over VFC". Krytac has better wiring, better MOSFET, slightly better motor, but it still has shitty magnets. I have seen Krytac gears strip, I have seen Krytac gears come apart, I have also seen defective hop up assemblies.

Krytac is still a good contender for best AEG out of the box, but it is not a landslide by any means. It is also not that proprietary, you can put pretty much anything standard in the gearbox.

I have never seen a VFC gear set strip by itself, and I've worked on over 100 of them. VFC has a better air seal, more durable gear set, FAR BETTER externals, I have also never seen a defective VFC hop up assembly, I have only seen users break the old clear plastic ones.

I own a krytac and a VFC 416 not sure which hand i have to touch them with first to get some first hand experiance, I mentioned earlier that the neomagnets in the krytacs motor are synthetic, and where not the strongest, by anymeans but its a step in the right direction. Your right the first generation of krytac that I own is not a billet reciever, but I swear I read and can no longer find it that the new Mk2 line was making use of billet recievers, I stand corrected there. Ive yet to chip my paint as well despite having it fall down a flight of stairs and me landing on top of it The gears are hit and miss, like SHS bevels.... ill say that, mine have yet to fail and im going to be leaving the gearbox and motor stock until they do to see the limits of them.

Im also curious, how did the hop up units fail that you saw? id assume either the wheel popped off or the tail end of the arm that locks into the wheel snapped.

no airsoft gun is billet cnced.

Everything is cast.

Everything is potmetal with varying ratios of different metals of which include aluminum.

The CNC portion is the finish work, pin holes, rail slots, etc.

It's the same with gears, but swap pot metal with sintered steel. The only billet steel gears are riot siegetek.

The MK2 has "Krytac billet style Aluminum alloy receivers" according to the Evike write-up. Not sure what exactly that means.

It's marketing jargon and means nothing. Cast alloy aka pot-metal.

I am going to go and get a VFC ... partly because lurkingknight thinks so :)

He is the local gun doc in Ottawa(where I am from) and if he is the go to guy in Ottawa - then sure as hell I am going to get something that he recommends

@lurkinking - be a av rep for Ottawa and make end my misery on getting age verified:)

billet implies that it is cut out of a single piece of aluminum.

I find that hard to believe, considering a billet gearbox shell.. and they exist, costs 150ish$ vs a potmetal one around 60$, a krytac aeg costs around the same amount as a vfc which is not billet.

Either someone has figured out a way to machine toy gun receivers out of solid aluminum cheaper than you can cast the same part, or someone has their info fucked up.

give me 20 guns to do all needing full upgrades and parts to pay for new floors in my house, and then install them for free.

Then maybe I will AV rep. :P

I've had time and money to play once in the last 3 months. I don't have time to AV rep, if I have time, I'm using it to do things that need to be done because I have no money to have other people do these things for me. :P

It means the body is cast in a machined billet style look. It's not actually machined. G&G is doing the same thing with their SR series ans several others. The bodies have the angular look of a machined billet receiver set but are just cast that way.