What's your rate of fire?
 

I just made a video of me using my AEG to cut a hole in a piece of insulation foam and decided to use it to calculate my ROF. My upgraded TM MP5 RAS (8.4v) clocks in at approximately 720 RPM.

What's yours? Please mention make and model of AEG and battery type.

1 per sec!

L96

King Arms TROY M4 CQB
SP110(395fps)
7mm bearing gearbox
Systema Turbo Motor
11.1v 1200mah Li-Po
Spitting 26 bb's per second, Measured by Madbull chrono

May I suggest posting the different batteries people use.. as they'll have more of an impact on the ROF then anything else.

JG HK416 - 9.6V 3800 mAh - 1320 RPM (22/s) - 390 fps
CA M15A4 rifle 9.6V 3800 mAh - 1260 RPM (21/s) - 360 fps
JG MP5-J - stock 8.4V 1500 mAh - 720 RPM (12/s) - 340 fps
Real Sword Type 56 - 9.6V 1500 mAh - 1140 RPM (19/s) - - 310 fps
A&K M249 SAW - 9.6V 2000 mAh - 780 RPM (13/s) - 395 fps
Tactical Force M11 - CO2 powered - 1320 RPM (20/s) - 350 fps

All measured by a Madbull chronograph

Crunchmeister, some of those rates are just ridiculous, hah! Funny how your Mac11 is the slowest of the group.

G&P 249 - 750 rpm double torque up gears 360fps 7.2v 4200mah intellect battery G&P M120 motor

M4 - 900-1000 rpm double torque up gears 390 fps 8.4v 2200mah G&P battery G&P M140 motor

Copy & paste error, actually. The M11 ties the 416 @ 1320 RPM.... Also updated my original post with muzzle velocities.

CA36 full size, stock internals on Elite 8.4v 1500mah small bat = 750 RPM (12.5 RPS). I re-greased the mechbox which gave me a ROF increase over BNIB.

Stock TM M1A1 700 - 800 RPM, which is plenty for me :X

And my 416 has 0 RPM, because it's in repair.

My old P90 used to spit an awefull 28 rps

TM P90, 11.1v 1800mAh LiPo, Stock everything except bushings, 287 fps, 28/s (emptied the 68 rnds lowcap under 2 sec... so that is my estimate)

ICS M4A1, unknown upgrades, 11.1v 1500mAh LiPo, around 23-25.

Custom L96 : 1-2 (if I am on adrenalin a lot...) 570-580 fps

fastest rof i 'd ever experienced was the ksc M11, at 1250 rpm.

speaking of ROF, check this out YouTube - prowin 8mm gearbox test(vfc hk416)

you want ROF check this out.

My SRC M4 = 350FPS = 1200RPM = 20RPS = FUN

8.4 3800mah Tenergy Large type battery

Geez what's with all the hose jockeys around here?

CYMA AKS74UN - 8.4V 1100mAh - 700 RPM. Right where it should be.

Running my M4 SD with a 9.6V 4000mAh large.

ROF = through the roof.

Haven't measured it though.
I also have to buy a sector clip so it feeds reliably in full auto :D

I should add that none of my guns have been set up for a high rof. Other than metal bushings and a Modify anti-reversal latch, my JG 416's internals are completely stock. My M15's stock compression parts have been replaced, but all its gears and motor are stock. The Real Sword Type 56 has never been opened. It's totally stock. It's the high capacity 9.6V batteries that are the cause of the high rof.

And that M11 is just a notoriously fast gun. Nothing to do about that one. CO2 guns kick ass, although they burn through a CO2 powerlet WAY too fast...

Now, without necessarily resorting to 'realistic' rof, what would everyone consider to be the 'ideal' rof for an airsoft gun?

My Echo1 Mp5K has a ROF of about 22 bb's per second. Or about 1300rpm.

9.6v ak batt and a sp90 spring.

22 bb/s before i changed my gears...
after that dropped to around 900-1000 rpm..
with 9.6 large and 110 spring...
(ohh and systema magnum...lol)

M4 Pro-win 8mm torque up gears M120 Spring
9.6 vlt 3600 mah battery
21bps @415 fps

KWA M4 9.6v2000mah 405fps@18.1 RPS = 1086 RPM

Measured with a Xcortech chrono

Can't wait to get my 11.1v LiPo battery in that KWA it will be screaming :D

Update: KWA M4 LiPo 11.1v1600mah 405fps@22.8 RPS = 1368 RPM :D

Highest rate of fire
 

Are you guys aware that G&G manufactures nearly all of their airsoft guns to shoot at 2500 rpm stock? Their cheapest gun is $170. Is there any other company that produces a gun with a rate of fire that can beat the insane RPM that G&G so proudly boasts in seemingly their whole entire product line of high grade AEGs?

^ That's untrue

I think he got the motor rpm mixed up with rof... and the $170 is most likely USD, which means we can't have.

I hope so, a stock G&G at 2500rpm in the hands of a n00b could be deadly. I personally prefer lower, more realistic rates of fire.

I prefer rates of fire that don't empty your magazine in 1.784 seconds. Or empty half your mag in one trigger pull.

Useless.

Exactly! I like realism...

+1 to that. Alot of people boast about their ROF when really, if in an engagement they'd be over thrown due to constant reloads.

There are countless kills I have made because of switching to high ROF that I never would have had before. If you ask me its far more realistic as with a high ROF you can actually punch through grass and leaves more like real bullets. With controlled bursts its also possible to use STAR mags with a ROF of 30rps and get a few bursts from it. There are many people that disagree with this but all I have to say is fuck role play, go realism. When I am allowed to bring a real .223 to a game, I will be more than happy to use real steel ROF, but since we use >400fps 6mm plastic spheres I want maximum effect.

ICS M4A1 - 395fps - 9.6V 2200mAh + 9.6V 3300mAh (dual wired) - 25rps (SystemA turbo motor, upgraded spring)
ICS M4A1 - 380fps - 10.8V 3300mAh - 27rps (stock except spring)
JG M4A1 - 330fps - 9.6V 3300mAh - 31rps (SystemA turbo mechbox and motor)
CYMA AKS-74U - 320fps - 9.6V 2200mAh - 27rps (SystemA turbo motor)

One Ottawa guy is running 390-400fps and around 34rps. People fear his gun since you can't use a bush or stand of tall grass as hard cover against it like you can a lower ROF AEG. You actually need to find REAL hard cover.

That would constitute a high FPS set up, no? A high ROF means you're just spraying bullets. :D

I go for realism but daaaamn it's always nice to see a bb hose, unless it's the PPP Strafer...

My AUG runs 400 FPS and it's the same deal. I use 0.28's (~330 FPS) and no one can hide from me in grass and brush. I hit people that can't hit me.
And my ROF a lot lower than that. Probably about 10 or 15 or something.

Can really hurt someone, and there goes simulation. No, LUTNIT's veiw/point is valid, a 400fps round will deflect off of brush and thick grass easily. Now a 5.56 will continue through these same objects with little to no deflection. So to remedy this, saturation fire to get a few through and ensure the kill is a quick SAFE way to get around using 700fps guns to penetrate brush. Especially with the thick low lying brush that Ontario has.

Running a 21rps gun today that had no hop up ((had to turn off or would jam and no other gun to use so just dealt with it)). With little range, on the 360 fps it shot I was able to make several kills today only because I could saturate an area with fire.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, stock guns come out the box firing faster than their real steel counter parts, where is the "milsim" in that?

Gigaknight, A high FPS setup would be more realistic, but the limit at most fields is 400fps so you can't do anything about that without cheating. Thats why I said if I can bring a ~3000fps real gun to a game, real ROF is fine, but since the rules limit us to 400fps I use ROF to compensate.

Styrak, are the people you are shooting at also using 400fps guns with .28's? I shoot at lots of people that can't hit me back but the majority of the time its because they are using stock guns/lightly upgraded guns and .20's or .25's. With my M14 at 398fps on semi with .28's I can regularly nail people who don't stand a chance of hitting me back but their guns aren't as close to the limit and they use lighter BB's. When playing against people who I know are using 390-400fps guns and .28's my M14 is no better than them. But when I bust out 25+ rps things change drastically.

By high FPS I'm talking 400FPS (on 0.2's), standard field stuff. Did you not read what Styrak said? He's using heavy BBs (0.28) instead of 0.2's, sure, a high ROF will hit your target, but it's far more efficient to use heavier BB with an appropriate FPS (again, Styrak said that WITH 0.28's his gun is shooting about ~330fps and nothing can stop him. :P)

I'm not trying to argue, just reiterating my point.

Well obviously no, they aren't. They could be shooting higher ROF though, since I have an M120 spring and no ROF upgrades. So a stock gun (or the people that are shooting at me's guns) probably has a higher ROF.

And why waste BB's and have to reload tons with your high ROF?

@ Gigaknight
But when everyone is using 400fps guns and .28's, you can gain a large advantage with a higher ROF. This is normally the case at games I go to, having a 400fps gun is nothing special, neither is using .28's (which I do use.)

@ Styrak
Exactly, I don't use just ROF often, I try to stay around 380+ fps AND a high ROF. Only my indoor guns (JG M4 and AK) are under that fps. Its not wasting BB's when I hit the target when I otherwise wouldn't have. When you are putting 1.49J .28's down range through some REALLY thick grass, maybe 1 in 10 gets through, and then maybe it takes 2-3 that get through to actually hit the guy. If I can get those BB's out there faster than he can react then hes hit and no longer a threat.

You both seem to be fixed on high rate of fire OR maximum fps, I use both since either one alone isn't as effective as both combined. When I quote muzzle velocities I am referring to .20's since that is what field limits are set with. I use .28's when actually playing. Also I know that maximizing the effectiveness of your gun does not make you a good player. I get killed lots by people with 400fps guns and .28's and much lower rates of fire because they are just much better at maneuvering, teamwork, and sneaking *cough* ODA 363 *cough*

Well, a hybrid setup (high ROF, high FPS) is pretty harsh on the internals even if you have uber parts, hence why one or the other in the long run is something to look at.

However, if everyone is doing 400fps on 0.2 or the equivalent with heavier BB's, then yes; a high ROF is useful unless you're going through a midcap in a second (High caps have AIDS... and I like not having AIDS).

Although obviously you're going to get a major advantage if you're using heavier BB's. :P

Ridiculous ROF kills milsim.

400FPS + heavier BB's will do the job w/o having 50 bb's smack you in the head because someone though it would be nice to tape a giant battery on his MP5 and add high speed gears.

Keep in mind as well having both high FPS and high ROF adds alot of strain/wear or prone-to-breakage-ness to AEGs, especially V2's.

lol, AIDS, yeah, can't say I like that either. I run midcaps normally and can usually get at least a dozen bursts from each one. STAR mags when I practice really good trigger control I can get 3-5 bursts, or one if I have loads of mags to spare and cover/time to reload.

As for internals, yeah, its hell on everything inside the mechbox. Thats why I never bring fewer than 2 main guns to a game and usually have my bone stock TM MP5k as my "oh shit" gun. I have already stripped 3 pistons, 2 sets of gears (one was a SystemA all helical highspeed set), melted one selector plate with the heat from the current, and currently I think I blew the contacts in my trigger switch apart again from the current. I run dual 9.6V batteries to maximum the current that the wires inside the mechbox can support (that is the limiting factor once you get enough battery juice) and it seems that stock contacts are not designed for it. Most motors on the other hand can draw quite a bit more amperage than the wires can handle. So far the only thing that has blown in a game is my trigger switch, everything else has broken while testing on my work desk.

Ah, now you are mistaking role play with realism. Milsim is somewhere in between. If you want the same ROF as the real gun but with a pathetic (compared to real bullets) 400fps, then you are doing it for the role play aspect (I'm not talking D&D or anything here.) Milsim is all about getting into character, playing like real units fight, and acting out parts essentially. I play airsoft as a sport in and of itself which closely mimics real combat (at least more so than many other sports) but don't worry about things like all real gear, real rate of fire, copying special forces loadouts exactly even if some of the gear is useless in airsoft, etc.

Well there we go then bud, that statement just proves all; airsoft is entirely about personal preference. Again, I strive for realism, so I go with a lower ROF and a higher FPS; I'm not made out of money so I can't afford to be replacing parts every few games.

I say, to each his own... Though this just made me think that maybe there should be ROF caps at MILSIM games? Not every game, but milsim games; where people aim for realism. :P *I'm putting on my flame retardant suit now...*

ROF caps at milsim games would make sense, but then again to tell the truth in two years I have never been to a real milsim game (not for lack of trying.) I have been to many where groups get into the role heavily or maybe one entire side, but never everyone. I have done the milsim thing and its fun for what it is but unless everyone is doing it I find its ruined. Milsim is FAR from just realistic rates of fire and realcap mags, its all about the attitude and intent of the players.

zomg wtf bbq roflcoptor

Sweet something of somewhere, his post is legendary... I think we should just STFUAJPG.

Oh yeah, forgot to say, when I play milsim games and want to actually get into it I still run my high ROF guns but only use semi and 30rnd mags. I get crazy good trigger response without any hosing.

As far as I know not many in Canada if any use true high ROF setups. I'm talking where you grind teeth off the sector gears to make it a shorter piston stroke, cut out massive parts of your piston to lighten it, get all pure silver wiring for maximum current, etc. etc. Talking 40-50 rps here. I have heard of people in Japan and other countries with 1J limits doing it a lot though. Cutting holes in the handguards so the motor can cool faster, having loadouts of 10-15 hicaps that are all prewound, needing to carry 3-4 batteries for a game that only lasts a couple hours, and other hideous abominations.

That's not human... or milsim. :P
If I want a BB hose I'll get THIS

That way I could always do a Ghostbusters load out for shits n' giggles... Aww come on, who wouldn't laugh at a Ghostbusters load out?!

Just for reference, I only bring my AUG to a game, and it's never broken down at a game. Just once at home when I was dry firing it I took the first tooth (big one) off the stock TM piston, which has been in there for god knows how long (I bought the gun used and had used it for a ~year and a half before that happened).

Oh my.

LOL I can see it in the wtb...
Tac vest with 4 X 2 9.6v 4000 mHa pouches
hahaha

Yup... one could saw we're Master Debat... That's painfully corny, this thread needs to be cleaned.

Yeah, so far now that I have worked out a LOT of kinks and parts incompatibilities and have something that lasts a few thousand rounds. Only problem was firing 2000rnds in about 2 minutes and melted my trigger contacts. Me and a couple others where trying to bore a hole in a car door. We managed to make a dent that went in almost 2 inches and removed lots of paint but no split metal..........yet.

Exactly. I could turn my CA into a beast but i choose to stick with a 8.4v to keep the repair man away as long as I can. :)

How far will you go for milsim?

Will you rate WHAT FPS a gun should be based on its real steel counterpart? 7.62 and 5.56 don't fly the same speeds, yet we have AEG's of both rounds firing at 400FPS. Do we limit all guns to their real steal counterpart? IE. start DOWNgrading stock guns to fire slower? Are you going to start capping BB weights to milsim round impact based on the real steel IE. 7.62 get .28's and 5.56 get .25's so that the bigger round is slower but hits harder?

No, by a ROF cap, I'm talking about a general area for ROF. If someone is going to be using a high ROF set up on a gun that usually doesn't have a high ROF, then that's not truly milsim. I don't want EXACT specs for guns because that's impossible; you know how hard it would be for everyone? Imagine if you weren't allowed to use heavier BB's because the RS of your gun fires 5.56... That's lame and I don't want that. :P

But that WOULD be milsim, basing ammunition, FPS rates, ROF and ammo capacities to a player BASED on their REAL steel counterpart. By limiting one player to upgrade his gun for a tactical advantage he wants because you want milsim, but then don't want to limit what BB's you can use because he wants milsim is not a two way street and THAT is lame.

And then when you talk ROF cap's would you have it set so that MG's could fire faster? Or would you account for the real world high ROF guns? Even though out the box most AEG's are on par with the big ones that come to mind when people thing LMG or SMG high ROF guns. And some are still too fast!

Nothing wrong with a LMG with a high ROF, its meant to pin people down. The problem is people with SMG that have crazy hi-caps and mid caps with a stupidly high ROF. Those guys have mobility + high ROF, and thats wrong. You won't see the guy with a SAW running around, jumping up and down, rolling on the ground like a guy with a MP5 can.

Whats next? Robots with grenade launchers that can't call their hits?:D

It shouldn't be too hard to chart out the different calibre's.. for their comparitive speeds, and what normal ranges of rates of fire for the different gun families would be. And to adjust accordingly, so weapons would be more realistic as to what role they would perform in a real world situation.
C'mon math wizards ... there's a good project for someone.

SMG's have HIGH ROF actually more often than not you will find an SMG with a higher ROF than most LMG's.

MP5k 900/min = 15/sec
P90 900/min = 15/sec

M249 750-850/min = 12.5-14.2/sec
M60 550/min = 9.2/sec


Those are stats from base model off the factory line models of those weapons. Clearly, SMG's have a higher ROF, so your argument is completely false to suggest that LMG's should have the higher ROF to SMG's based on MILSIM.

LMG's are not intended for higher rates of fire, they are intended for SUSTAINED bursts of fire and larger ammo capacity, that is their function that is there role.

Then take mid and hi cap out of guys with crazy SMG ROF.

So what about your "crazy" ROF?

Stock MP5k's are shooting at the RIGHT speed to be MILSIM, but you're firing an extra 3-4 rounds, so what do you do about YOUR midcaps? Cause you know, PTW only have 100rnd mags avail. to the public.

Why would you ONLY take mid and highcaps from a player based on their ROF? You have AK high caps now that are NOT drum mags but hold excess of 700 rounds, where is the MILSIM in this? Oh I guess because there is no ROF above what? 25? 20?18?15? he should be able to carry the equivalent of 24 REAL cap magazines?

Since when does PTW have crazy ROF? Their electronically limited to a similar ROF than AR's. Your the first person i see calling a PTW a high ROF AEG LOL

You've missed the point, why would you limit Midcaps and Highcaps to ONE group of people? IF I put a high ROF on my M249 am I going to be allowed my boxmag HIGHcap? Cause you know, you don't mind LMG's with high ROF.


What's your EXACT rate of fire on that PTW?

Mine is at 11-12 per second

On both my ptw i get 11

I have one gun with two different gearboxes, it's a Noveske Diplomat (short M4).

41 RPS @ 300 FPS with .2's.
10.8v 4200mah battery, TM EG1000 motor, PDI 190% spring, standard ratio bevel and sector gears, SC dual sector gear.

30 RPS @ 385 FPS with .2's
10.8v 4200mah battery, TM EG1000 motor, PDI 170% spring, standard ratio gears short stroked 2 teeth.

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25 RPS @ 400 FPS with .25's
SR-16, 10.8v 4200mah battery, TM EG1000 motor, PDI 190% spring, standard ratio gears.

41 rps??? thats like a laser beam lol, both my ak's are doing like 14 rps with 8.4v 3000mah batteries

lol....woops. Yeah...that would mean motor rotations per minute not rounds per minute.

My CA M15A4: 24r/s @ 310fps w/.2g BBs.
My CA SCAR-H w/Trigger Master Mk.I: 21r/s @ 350fps w/.2g BBs.
My JG/TM/CA Hybrid HK416: 18r/s @ 380fps w/.2g BBs.

How about also editing/adding what the rate of fire is on the real steel counterpart of your guns is. Just for curiosity's sake.

It might be a bit dated...but I think assault rifles (5.56) tend to be 700-900 RPM. SAW/MG's (5.56) tend to be on the upper end of that. 7.62 full auto rifles tend to be lower 500-700.

Anyways...a lot of airsoft rifles shoot with a higher ROF than their real steel counterparts (as in not even close).

***edit*** except bolt actions...they tend to be similar...LOL

TM MP5K - 8.4V 600 mah Nicd - 1300 RPM (22/s) - 250 fps - Systema Turbo Motor (Empties 50 rd mag in under 3 seconds) = BB laser

My CA M15A4 RIS with Systema M120 gearbox and ICS 3000 turbo motor = 11 ~ 12 round/sec at 400 FPS.

Its ROF should be realistic enough to real-steel ARs. I use real-cap mags only, so I've been experiencing simulated combat conditions mostly.

VFC HK416D 404fps 28rps 110 spring Systema Magnum motor and 9.6 4200mah battery.

My Magnum is faster than my turbo pulling the heavier spring. Systema Magnum FTW!!

That would make sense since Turbos are meant for lower FPS, high speed setups and Magnums are meant for high FPS, high speed setups.

Basically the uber-motor.

Turbos are rated for up to M135 springs but I find if I go above an M110 my Magnum is faster. A magnum in my stock TM MP5k is giving around 20rps with the 8.4V stick, a turbo gives over 25rps in the same gun. Low springs, use a turbo.

Also put a turbo and a magnum motor against metal, the magnums have FAR stronger magnets in them than the turbos. Turbos are still stronger than say a stock TM but no where near the magnum.

marui m4 pdi 190%, 10.8batt ni-ca syst magnum. 28bb's/sec at 430fps.

Video of the 41 RPS gun or it didnt happen. :cool:

I have 3 AEG's i use.

My primary niceness gun.
runs on a 11,1 2000 mAh Elite LiPo with Super high speed CNC gears and super core piston, shortstroke is 5 teeth i use a SP160 spring from guarder. This gives me.
ROF 32,4 per second / 1944 RPM. FPS is 415.

My power gun.
Currently runs CNC torque gearset, super core piston, extreme fire panther computer and a sp160 guarder spring, on 11,1 2000 mAh Elite lipo i get 22 RPS / 1320 RPM, and 525 FPS

My Close quarter gun.

Super high speed CNC gears and super core piston, shortstroke is 6 teeth i use a SP150 spring from guarder, and a Marui EG1000 motor and 12v 3000 mAh Elite NiMH battery. ROF is around 27 RPS 1620 RPM. FPS around 345.

I prefer using Jing gong hicaps since the feed excellently. during Milsim i use kingarms midcaps moddet for around 78 rounds capacity.

so do you guys like... walk the BBs ;)?

Would a picture of the Siegetek Concepts Cyclone Dual Sector Gear (left gear in pic), and a MP3 of the gun firing suffice for now? I was given these gears to review for the NJ Airsoft Association, and since I haven't released the review yet, I don't want to release the videos before I've finished the review.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y14...ector_Gear.jpg

http://www.simulate3d.com/airsoft/41_RPS_test.mp3

I blew out several 7mm bearings in my Haynes box with a Guarder SP170 spring, so I'm waiting on 7mm bushings, and a MOSFET to continue the testing (have a Systema Magnum, and G&P M160 motor for the test as well). Trying to reach 35 RPS at 450 FPS (my field limit, and about the limit my TM Hi-Caps will feed BB's) without using a larger battery.

Always nice to have a little talk with a fellow highspeed High power enthusiast.

I have been testing Dannys CNC gears for the last 9 months and they are truly awesome. I have however found a weaknes with the reversal latch teeth and he is fixing that now.

However i do not see you getting 450 FPS with a 8 teeth short stroke modification. It is simply to much. remember our springs are progressive so not much power will come out of the gun. Further, i do not think that you will have enough Air in your cylinder for 450 fps when you have 8 teeth stroke.
If i use an unmodded SP160 spring on 5 teeth stroke with 285 mm PDI 601 barrel i get 425 FPS apporox so you need to add for instance 4 mm of spacers behind the spring.

The reason i want a video of the gun firing was that i thought, as you write your self, that you will have massive feedning problems at that ROF. Like you say around 35-37 RPS is the max brand new Marui og Jing gong magazines will feed at using 0,28 bbs. I have had one feed at 39 RPS with 0,25 BBs All from G&G brand. Further increase could perhaps be found with 0,20 BB's but thats just for show not for real gaming.

What kind og piston are you running in your setup? i use super core which have 8 metal teeth so shortstroke kan be done with a maximum of 7 teeth. where i use 5 and 6.


By the way if we are to make sound files i can make on with ROF 41.66 :D. but what use is thay when the gun wont feed :banghead:

As for your bearing problem. Use Modify or JBU 7mm Steel bushings they are the strongest i have found yet.
Personally i run Pro-win 8mm boxes in all my guns and 8mm kanzen bearings. I have however found some Full ceramich 4x8 mm bearings. but the thickness of our axles are only 3mm so Danny is finding a way for me to increase the axle size to 4mm. Those Full ceramic bearings are however 100$ a piece, YES thats 100 USD for 1 bearing and i need 6 :cry:

I'm using a Deepfire version 2 piston with titanium coated teeth for this setup. It's a little heavy, but I haven't stripped them yet (broken the piston body on the ver 1's, but never the teeth).

My TM hi-caps will feed about 100 BB's at 41 RPS before the gun starts skipping shots, so that's why I'm aiming for lower. I forgot to try my MAG mid-caps when the gun was built like that so I don't know if they'll feed higher.

The Guarder SP170 spring in this setup was doing 390 FPS with .2's, but I also fear I won't get any higher FPS than that withour going to extreme means. Feel free to PM me with any other questions.

HAHAHA NO! Semi and burst only. Trigger delay is nonexistent in my setup. People have asked me "is it a PTW" my reply is typically "no it cost me more than that :banghead:"

KWA M4- 11.1v lipo 2000mah 15C

Over 30 rps at 390 fps

P90tr 350fps with 9.6v: A whole lot of enought bps.
Snipers rifles: 1 shot per target. If missed, follow up shot are dependant, so no fixed rate of fire.

:D

If the KWA is stock you are no where near 30 RPS.

I was thinking the same thing.

1120 RPM with S90 spring, G&P M120 motor, 8.4v 3600mAH

Got a new gun the other week, a stock G&P Defender and it shot 29 RPS at 325 FPS with .25's on a 11.1v 1100mah 15C Li-Poly. Extremely impressed with the ROF and the G&P M120 motor.

When I installed a 400 FPS spring, regreased and re-lubed everything it amazingly raised to 30 RPS.

G&G GR16 R4 Commando with 9.6V 1400 mAh battery:
21 rps, everything stock

My primary is a VSR-10...

but a TM FAMAS that I worked on is spitting a respectable 17.86 BB/S on an 8.4 3300 MAH battery.

Modify High Torque Modular gears, 7.4v Lipo 25C, M110 spring and a Systema Magnum motor, 22 rps.

With an 11.1v Lipo it sounds considerably higher, likely 27 or 28 rps, but I've never measured it.

G&P M16a3
sp110 guarder
standard ratio gears
vapex 9.6v Ni-mh
G&P m120 motor
high flow wire with AB extreme fire mosfet

chrono'd with madbull unit, 32 a second.

1913 a minute exact readout.

proof video coming soon to youtube.

Jg/Star thundermaul =m4
8.4 1100 mah ni-mh
shooting roughly 10-12 bb's a second
when new it shot about 14

i figure its battery due to using a wall charger lol

My new record,

AK74U,

Full prometheus Highspeed with a marui motor,

28BB/s on 8.4 1400 mini.

Haha, connect an 8.4v or 9.6v 5000mah Elite battery and see how it does!

I shoot 3 BBs at the same time, technically that's infinite ROF :)

Greenwolf gets 2 shots (not double feed, but 2 cycles) on semi and about 30 bb/s on auto in his 99% stock KALASH AKs74u using an 11.1v lipo. Only upgrade was a modify M90 spring for CQB use. Badass little beast.

Connect a 14.8v lipo :)


My ROF:
I get approximately 38bbs/s on my mp5.
-M90
-Swiss cheesed piston
-SHS high speed gear set
-Element max speed motor (Great motor)
-Some no-name 11.1v 20c 1800mah lipo.

:)my rate of fire

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