So, any word on the outcome as per the PR (Press Release) held yesterday for that incident?

Cheers,
KaOz.

Guys, Handicapper was with his FATHER when he went to Kuramae.

Thats the only thing that irks me.

Ya, you are right Droc... it too freaks me out, but everyone needs to keep in mind that these three guys were doing business illegally - so be it airsoft, automotive parts, CDs, DVDs or anything else... if you do something illegal, you must pay the price.

Stay sane and safe and the risk of this happening might be slim...

The same could be said with people who smoke pot (weed)... I personally know of a few that have an absurd amount with them at all times and yes it is illegal... but if you act cool and keep to yourselve, no one will bother. I am not justifying it or trying to start another discussion on here... just stating that as long as things are kept within the parameters, all is well.

DO ILLEGAL = PAY THE PRICE...

Cheers,
KaOz.

It's a media event, what outcome are you looking for? It's just a show for media to take pictures of what's confiscated, and details on the arrest, etc.

Well, usually media asks questions as to how they came in to the country... future perspectives, etc.

I am not looking for an outcome as much as I am looking for answers from the PR event.

Cheers,
KaOz.

One thing I do see positive though.

The police could fan the story as much as they wanted to make this into a big story. However, only a few smaller station did a brief section on it. So this could be just another CBSA crackdown like we saw in the west.

See... that is something that I am looking for - something positive. Like I said, if I were back home in Toronto I could take it all in, but being in Boston it is not possible for me to view the PR.

Okay, thanks for the brief report/feedback.

Cheers,
KaOz.

~Droc

I agree with droc... and when a thread doesnt get "droc'd" with his usual sense of humor... were all in big trouble. I now understand why ASCA stopped imporing airsoft guns, and they were smart to do so ahead of the game, as unfortunate as it may be for us. Ive talked to several brokers about the laws pertaining to airsoft and import. I wanted an answer once and for all, and i hold in my hand a copy of "Memorandum D19-13-2" from Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, Which pertains to the import and trafficing airsoft guns. Airsoft is officially Declared as a "replica firearm" and as such you require a business firearms license to be able to import airsoft guns.

It states "Most Airsoft Guns are considered replica firearms as defined in subsection 84(1) of the criminal code. They are clearly designed not only to resemble a firearm with near precision but also to resemble a specific and readily identifiable make and model of firearm. Due to their strong resemblance to real firearms and their lack of a capacity to cause serious bodily injury, air soft guns are replica firearms."

Under the Replica Firearms Section, it states that
"9. A replica firearm is a prohibited device under both the Firearms Act and tariff item 9898.00.00 of the Customs Tariff and may not be imported by residents or non residents.
10. Replica firearms may lawfully be imported into Canada only with a Firearms Business Licence issued by a Cheif Firearms Officer that clearly states the named business may import prohibited devices, e.g., bu the movie industry for use as props, and import permit issued by the Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (DFAIT)."

Nowhere does it state that it is illegal to own or operate airsoft guns on private property, Theoretically, you could shoot your airsoft guns in your backyard (ONLY if you own the property and are not renting, And dont be surprised if the neighbors call the police to pay you a visit with guns drawn... usually after something like that, they would demand that you hand it over to be destroyed... legal or not.) As long as the people in the community are mature enough to lockup their guns when not in use, keep it away from public eyes. There is NO reason why we cant continue this sport.

1) Keep Your Guns in a locked case (when not in use, or transporting)
2) It has to be transported in the trunk of your car (Cant bring on public transportation)
3) Do not let the public see it
4) Only take it out of the case when at a game, or on private property that you own (or have permission to use from the owner)

If you follow the simple + obvious rules (youd think it was common knowledge), you should have NO problems with the police seizing your guns.

The reason the police seize from private owners is because through their actions, they have deemed themselves not responsible enough to own/operate replica firearms and therefore, why they are usually destroyed.

The media will have a field day over this every time, because irrisponsible players give the paranoid people what they want to hear. They look real to the public, and to their eyes, it IS real. You cannot educate the public, if the players are not educated enough. Educate the players, and you show responsibility to the public that we are responsible enough to play airsoft. Only then, will the public understand.

If you people have questions about airsoft or dont know how to properly handle it, Ask... thats why we are here. That is the Responsible thing to do.

Moral of the story: If you arnt mature/responsible enough to play airsoft... DONT

Damn well said, agree 199%.

If all else fails, and hopefully we can work something out with the government. I'm wondering since it was determined the 407 FPS was the magic number for serious injury. Could retailers bring in 3rd party gun ( UNcompany custom, WGC custom. ect.) that have been pre upgraded to 410+ FPS. I remember when TMs out west we found to not cause serious injury so every gun from TM was suddenly no available. If a retailer were to bring in only 3rd party 410+ fps gun with documentation from the company about it's specs could we get those in?

I think the problem there is that responsibility to prove that is on the importer, which means the guns would probably have to be tested, etc. etc. The other problem is once imported, would the higher springs not have to be taken out and replaced with lower power springs? I could only forsee this increasing the cost of airsoft guns, either that or everyone plays with a 410+ fps gun... which seems a little unsafe to me.

I've thought of that in the past, and wondered how cost effective it would be. I came to the conclusion that doing so would be comparable to ASCA prices at the time (maybe a tad higher), which didn't warrant any kind of experiment. Now, desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm sure it will be done, if it hasn't been already. Just curious how long Customs will hold the AEG. My guess would be... well, you'd get your tax return faster.

I'm sure customs would be very skeptical at first but hopefully if they test a whole bunch of the guns coming in and they all pass they may relax a bit on that retailer and stuff will go through faster.

once it's in you hands if you change out the spring thats up to you. and as far as cost it's either a bit more or no new gear at all if the trend continues plus your getting pre upgraded internals so it's not like nothing is coming from the extra money.

to make this effective at all it would have to be done by volume retailers because if individuals ordered 1 gun at a time it's going to get tested for sure.

I'd much rather get my PAL myself but this is another option if the need should arise

Well, if someone has an assload of money and can get a foreign retailer to swap out the spring it could be worth experimenting with...

screw this shit, we need Oprah.

Go to UNCompany website. They have a service. Let's do the math. I'll teach...

M4A1 $222
Upgrade to 450 fps $90
Shipping $50 (ranges anywhere between $45-$75)

This comes to $362 US or about $415 CDN. Add about $85 for duties and taxes, and you've got a $500 AEG. Plus you've got some spare parts (sell them to recoup your cost. That's about the price you would have paid at A&A or ASCA.

It might work. Care to try. If I were indepentantly wealthy, without a second thought, I would have already done it.

My darling Droc; the world NEEDS me. It's essential.

Yea, well, being a poor college kid and having just blown 700 on a new gun, I haven't the funds to gamble with.

baby, you so sexy. Dr.Dre may have called you an Oreo -> Black on the outside but white inside, but Ill bet your pink like the rest.

I sex you up....better then last time.

OH LAWD hahahahahaha

Baby Boy, Dr. Dre ain't got nothin on Droc the Rock.
Studio audience agrees

Where's my free car, you fat bitch? Come on, I need my taxes fucked over.

LMAO

nah she's cheap like ellen nowdays
just diamonds and shit

never any real toys
like a fully expense paid trip to the uk

Oh sheit! this thread's been droc'd! i withdraw my earlier post about that.

Yea... but dont forget, you dont have the licence to import it... so tack on like another 200 bucks to make it worthwhile for someone with the licence to import it....

lol, your signature(s) are huge

Damn proud of it!, someday ill be known as the signature guy,

"Whos Darkangel? OOOOH!! The Guy with the 8 Page Signature!"

correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that if the gun was over 407 fps it was no longer a replica and no longer required a BFL to import.

at least the how the FAQ put it across. although like I said if it was done on an individual basis the cost would be quite high but if a retailer did it they probably would stop checking every gun one most of them passed.

That's the whole point of getting the upgrade. It would no longer be a replica (in the laws eyes), and wouldn't require any liscence. Any joe could do it.

Now Now Janus you little Dick Pansy, we've told you the car's on it's way, all your Canadian Customs shit's taking forever to get it across. Ya dig?

Sadi - Darling, bow down, get low on your knees. Trips to the UK are reserved only for 'Special' Guests. And my dear, as much as we see your a short bus rider, your still a few gold stars away from that prize.

You All have a Beyooootiful lovely morning!
~cue theme song~
dodo dododoodoo

I call bullshit. There's no way that you're really Oprah!

lol, what?

well... according to the same memmorandum, under "Weapons not considered to be firearms" it states under section (d) Any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge: (1) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4m (500)ft per second; or (2) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4m (500)ft per second. It seems to me the restriction is 500ft/s

what i dont understand is how increasing the fps would allow you to get it in?
Increasing it puts it under the firearms section, not the replica section. Then, if you try to import it on your own, would you not get in WORSE shit with customs?

OMG A LOOPHOLE!!!! I THINK I FOUND A LOOPHOLE!!!

Under Deactivated Firearms it states
6) A Properly deactivated firearm is not considered a firearm because it cannot fire a projectile and, therefore, does not meet the definition of a firearm in section 2 of the Criminial Code.
Does that mean, if you remove the piston in AEGs, can you still import it? ;p
lol, *crossing fingers*

I'd like to point out something from my past experience with LE and this website. If you've posted here, they've tracked who you are. [assumption]If you posted what equipment you own or have done trades in B&S they know what you own (roughly).[/assumption]

ASC is a free registry that LE can use. It might be hard to believe but I've had full print outs of topics thrown in my face by LE before, and they knew exactly who I was.

*Edit - It was not airsoft related, just thought I'd say.

God, please calm down. Your going to give yourself an ulcer. First of all, let me break it down... (all according to how the Customs sees it)

Under 407 fps = not firearm period, therefore replica, therefore NO. Generally any stock airsoft gun.
Over 407 fps but under 500 fps = firearm but does not have to be registered. Airsoft may qualify.
Over 500 fps = firearm and must be registered.

As for deactivated firearms. You would have to prove that it was indeed a firearm. Good luck if you're just importing.

If it's deactivated wouldn't they pretty much see it as a replica?

You can bet my sweet chocolate black ass I am.

Now let's get down to business. I vote we bake AEG's and GBB's into cakes and reopen the underground railroad.

Gerkraz of the planet Blortek can get his fellow gerkrazian friends to ban together and form manufacturing sweatshops.

And after this commercial break - .2's or .25's does size ~really~ matter?

Since you're importing it, you could never prove it was a firearm in the first place, and like Kalnaren said, you've got yourself a replica.

there would be no point in taking any thing out becuase in order for a Fire arm to be considered Deactivated you need to fallow certain steps witch in the end render the air soft gun usless Or real fire arm usless e.g. =

"A hardened steel blind pin of bore diameter or
larger must be force fit through the barrel at the
chamber, and where practical, simultaneously
through the frame or receiver, to permanently
prevent chambering of ammunition. Furthermore,
the blind pin must be permanently welded in place
so that the exposed end of the pin is completely
covered by weld. The strength and hardness of
the weld must be that of the metal used in the
construction of the firearm. In the case of firearms
having calibres greater than 12.7 mm (.5 inch), the
pin need not be larger in diameter than 12.7 mm.
In the case of multi-barrelled firearms, all barrels
must be pinned, using as many pins as necessary
to block all chambers."

and after that:
"the firearm must first be
confirmed by a gunsmith, to no longer be considered a
firearm as per the definition of a "firearm" in S. 2 of the
Criminal Code."


That was just an idea of what you have to do for it to become Deactivated
here is the link if you would like to read more:
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_...DFs/1023_e.pdf

Hey its weight not size...they're the same size!!!

On a serious note, does anyone with a little more experiance with this matter think that the 407+ fps thing is worth looking into?

What kind of experience are you looking for. I've been investigating this, with mcguyver's help for months. It has potential.

I'll clue you guys into something: The CBSA doesn't give a rats ass about FPS anymore. Peter Kang played that card and it's no longer valid. Everything is a replica, will be seized and you will have to appeal it all the way to CITT before FPS becomes a valid defense. Peter Kang's appeal took 6 years and 3 months from seizure until CITT appeal.

Can the 30 year pizza delivery guys on ASC who live in their parents' basement wait that long to get their gun? Or how about the "students" of whatever who never have any money anyways? I thought not.

All dewats must first be a registered firearm until it is verified by a CFC verifier to in fact be a dewat. If it would be a prohib prior to deactivation, then you must possess a 12-class license that covers that class of firearm.

Basically, importing a dewat is unavailable for all but a very small group of valid license holders.

Quite frankly, this whole discussion is useless. Everyone with the finger capacity to type but with the mental capacity of a 16 year old "I want it so it must be ok" menality is absolutely appaling.

You guys have no clue how the system actually works, your suggestions are ridiculous to say the least and you have no meaningful responses to the problem at hand.

Far more experienced people are doing far more behind-the-scenes and quite frankly I'm not going to get into it here as it doesn't concern ASC and they will have no bearing on what actions are taken. The members on ASC could not even agree on the colour of shit, let alone a complex legal manoever.

What does happen will happen and those involved reach deeper than this discussion. Don't even bother to post up asking what I'm talking about, because I won't waste my time explaining it. What will happen will happen and it will be spearheaded from the West.

I'm not targeting you specifically frnakiet, but I quoted your post as an example.

Actually, they did care about fps. Kang was contesting that the two guns in question, a baretta and M11 I believe, did cause bodily harm. The following is straight from the decision ...

9. The CBSA submitted that the guns in issue are not firearms since the projectiles that they discharge are unlikely to cause serious bodily injury or death to a person, as required by the definition of a “firearm” pursuant to section 2 of the Criminal Code. The Tribunal agrees with the CBSA that, to be considered a firearm, an airsoft pistol must have a muzzle velocity that exceeds 124 metres per second (407 feet per second). Because the guns in issue all have muzzle velocities that are below this threshold,6 the Tribunal agrees with the CBSA that they are not firearms. Based on the definition of “firearm” found in section 2 of the Criminal Code, the Tribunal is satisfied that the second condition of the definition of a “replica firearm” is fulfilled, i.e. each pistol in issue itself is not a firearm. As for Asia Pacific’s reference to an article in the May 2001 issue of the American Journal of Ophthalmology that documented an eye injury caused by an airsoft pistol, the Tribunal agrees with the CBSA that this matter is not relevant to this appeal because this incident did not involve the guns in issue.

They decision didn't go Kang's way because those two guns didn't fire over 407 fps. It seems to me that above 407 fps would be allowed by this decision.

Over 407 but below 500 = firearm not requiring registration and able to import.

On a side note, the last part about the Tribunal dismissing the Ophthalmology findings seems a little ignorant. At question was not which gun is firing, but the ballistics behind injury. An M4 firing a 280 fps bb will be the same as any other gun firing a 280 fps bb.

Bottom line is that the Tribunal seems to be under the impression that over 407 fps is not a replica.

Hey, I don't take it personally. I respect your opinion, and you've helped me greatly. No problems, but see my previous post.

That was then. Now, today, they no longer care. All are considered replicas. They no longer want to invest effort in splitting a legal hair. The CBSA will seize it PERIOD and let the CITT sort it out. The can enforce seizure how they see fit, whether we agree to its merits or not.

That sort of takes away the velocity argument, doesn't it?

But this is why I want to see guidelines in writing. Yes they can seize anything, but they cannot indiscriminantly destroy things. Yes they can tie things up for an eternity, but until I see something in writing that all airsoft are replicas, then I'll keep investigating that avenue. Right now, most airsoft is considered replicas, but they are dealt with on a case by case basis. Either way, the issue must be pressed. I have requested guidelines in writing several times, and received zero responses. I've even given a specific example of an AEG from UNCompany shooting 450, and received no response. I may be reading between the lines, but I'm interpreting their lack of response as a weakness. They don't want to commit to anything in writing because it could open the floodgates. If they are all replicas, I'm sure I would have received that word immediately.

I find this very hard to believe. The only way they can track who you are through posts on this forum is by tracing the IP address back to your ISP and getting personal information from them.

The day I hear that they got my identity by doing that without having a warrant, or some other legal documentation that states that they can do so is the day that my lawyer gets involved.

I don't see ASC as being a free registry. There is no way that they can just go around digging up people's personal information just because they posted on a forum that centers around a controversial sport. That is a HUGE invasion of privacy.

You are correct that they need a warrent to get your information from the ISP, however, there are many other ways to track people down online. I've been able to get the home address and phone number of people simply from an e-mail address, all 100% legal and 100% information already existing on the internet.

Good thing I use hotmail then. Then again, anyone who actually uses the e-mail account that their ISP provides them is asking for trouble anyway.

Boy are you guys dense. All the big ISPs already provide info to LE freely, without a warrant. Bell, Telus, Rogers, Persona and more. There have already been cases where arrests have been made for infractions talked about and pictures posted on internet chatrooms.

Your assuming that "they" would even want to tell you anything at all. Why should they, it's not "their" responsibility to inform you of anything. Don't bother pursuing the "replica" angle, as it's a waste of time and "they" are not interested in a protracted fight on this issue. "They" can simply ask the OIC to prohibit all of them, period.

Then it wouldn't much matter about a few FPS here or there.

When the time comes for larger community involvement, all stakeholders will be informed.

How are we dense? Unless we're "in the know" about such things I don't think throwing insults around is appropriate.

Thanks Vatek, my point exactly. There can be no concensus or even on-topic discussion. Some twit veers the thread off-topic and everyone follows.

ASC should stick to discussing important issues like "witch gun is teh best" or wierdest places you've found BBs.

That's why nothing gets done but talk.

Personally, I think there's way too much rumors and theories going around. I've contributed my bit, and now I'm going to wait to hear "official" news from people who actually know what the hell is going on.

Every topic like this always ends up the same. 12 pages of rumors and guesswork, then the trash. Until something actually starts to get done in the real world I don't see much use in continuing to post in threads like this.

your ass might look like chocolate, but that's where the resemblance ends

I dont normally post on ASC. Ususally i just read post for humour sake.

I do find it interesting how many people on here throw ideas and gripes back and forth. Mean while on other boards people are going to great lengths orginizing meetings with everyone from NFA to the RCMP and the DND.

I think if your not going to add something you are doing to assist the cause you need to stop talking about it.

Macguyver has it right. Takl about "the wierdest place youve found a BB" and put a possitive spin back on our sport. The more trash gets talked, the less progress gets made and less reason those who ARE doing something about it are going to be motivated to keep going.

Support your sport. Quit trying to close it down in spirit. After all, its the spirit that we play with thats going to get us through this.

Zeon Prime has you beat by a few inches...

If Op ponied up some of that bare black back, you're telling me you wouldn't hit it?

Yanhchan - Yes, with our audience participation and those seinor's who are more familiar with benoi ball use, we had soon discovered .25's along with gravity dropped out quicker

PostMortem - Darling, even if in postmortem, rigor mortis set in you'd never be as stiff as needed for this sista.

Poncho - I saw that little doll of yours, we'll be giving them away on Monday's show, you can hit it up anytime suga'

In my example, I tracked the person down from a hotmail address.

True, its not their responsibility, but it is somebody's responsibility. There needs to be a place to obtain this information. We've all heard the old "ignorance of the law is no excuse", but in this case where does one find these things out. If they end up changing their playbood, then so be it. Until that happens, I'm pestering my MP to get this information. It's preposterous that we can't get something in writing.

Example, I get busted selling an AEG firing at 450 fps. I get charged because it is deemed to be a replica and transferring of a replica is illegal. My arguement is that I am ignorant to the law. I have sent several letters to the Chief Scientist of the RCMP requesting classification of this exact AEG. The Chief Scientist is the person everybody keeps referring me to. So in my defence (just playing devil's advocate), how the hell am I supposed to know if it is legal or not? I am making every attempt not to knowingly break the law.

Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense... it may buy you some slack in sentencing... but it is not a defense.

The whole 407 fps thing is a non starter..

if airsoft guns fire at a velocity sufficient to bring them under the classification of a firearm... then all the rules of firearms must apply.

including requiring a PAL to buy .. and possess.. as well as restrictions on selective fire weapons... ( semi auto only ) and restrictions on magazine capacity ( 5 rounds only )

If you have a airsoft gun that fires over 500 fps and fires full auto and you have highcap magazines.. and a silencer for the thing.... well you have just Broken pretty much every law in the book ....

You can't pick and choose which statutes of the law will apply... the entire law applies...

How can you import an object as a firearm... and sell it as something else.. we are in the same pickle as now...

You can't import a prohibited device ( replica ) and sell it as something else..
Which is exactly what importers have been doing...Hedging on the fuzzyness of the definition of airsoft guns as falling between toys and replicas... well that fuzzyness is gone...

Airsoft guns are replica firearms FULL STOP there is not a loophole... there is not an escape.. the guys who have done a lot of research .. and based a business on that research know this to be true and in the new enforcment environment ... what did they do?

They shut the doors...

If you read the law... you will very shortly see... its effective .. and if enforced will stop the trade in replicas.. ( including airsoft guns ) utterly

If they're over 407, but under 500, they are exempt from what you describe due to

(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

( d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge

(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or

(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.

Those sections describe possession, transfer, transport, and importation. Therefore, ok to possess, import, buy, sell, and transport, no PAL required. Not to mention that the Firearms Act doesn't apply (eg restrictions on selective fire, etc.)

So yes, they are firearms, and their laws apply, but let's not ignore the exemptions that apply due to their muzzle velocity being under 500 fps.

Somehow I get the distinct impression that what we need is for an airsoft gun to be defined AS an airsoft gun under law. Not as a replica. Not as an imitation firearm. Not as a firearm. An airsoft gun.

That would be the best option, but it's 99.9% guarenteed not to happen.

Not with that attitude. :(

It's not a matter of attitude, it's the truth. Just changing something of this magnitude requires quite a bit of political support. If the public were to get a hold of it, it would be political suicide for an MP in this province. Not impossible, but just not probable. But I'm willing to hear your plans on how to do it. Adding airsoft to the CCC and/or Firearms act would be ideal.

Philosophically speaking, it is a matter of attitude. A stagnating, defeatist attitude is going to do our sport no favours.

Realistically speaking, I'm not the person to come up with the plan. There are those better suited to that (I.e: Greylocks, Hojo, Lawdog, lots of the Wolfpack boys). I'm just saying that this is the objective we should be aiming for.

Omg lies! Zeon.... you better sleep with one eye open ;p

MUST FIND MORE SIG BANNERS!!!!

Must remove more sig banners!!!!

By the looks of this thread and a couple others on this forum, people seem to be becoming terrified to come to games lately. Threads like this will be the demise of "legitimate" airsoft, long before the gov't ever gets around to it. Between the fearmongers and forum "law professors", everybody thinks the sky is falling every other day. "Opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.."

ICS M4A1
 

i found that very hard since i am looking to buy an airsoft gun in that area from a store

WHERE CAN I BUY AN AIRSOFT GUN (ICS M4A1) WITHIN ONTARIO>??..... i am not intereseted in ordering over the internet..... if anyone knows a store or warehouse where i can go please post a comment. I AM SURE THAT ORDERING IS NOT MY ONLY OPTIONS SO PLEASE HELP ME.


if you guys now any stores that werent "seized" please tell me

I feel stupid having even bother to comment on this moron above me. please delete this when you delete his.

are there anymore stores like these that werent seized?

you surely are an idiot, and both haven't read any of the f.a.q.'s or even looked into the other members of this board that have already replied

go away from airsoft
because i'm sure the community doesn't need another ignorant idiot with a gun
we've got enough of those already

go play paintball

I have to burst your bubble bud, there is no walk in stores that sell airsoft guns, never going to happen, but, niether is there any warehouses.

airsoft
 

Buy clear, they changed they changed the rules to avoid a fight with crossman etc brand soft air. It used to be clear or not a replica was a replica but check the current rules, clear are now exempt.

Also you are not dealing with law you are dealing with regulation, I have seen those change on a monthly basis.

You can't win just wait until they tired and find something else, or you get serious and hit up every politican local, provincial and federal make them aware of the sport, the money invested, the numbers who play across Canada etc. Then ask them in fairness how 200 real illegal handguns get into the country, and would our tax dollars not be better spent stopping those. If your stuff get seized fight it tooth and nail, it is ok to lose but hammer the firearms people in the press while you fight. NOT the police, the firearms branch, get it in front of the media.

In other words use exactly the same tactics the anti gun people use.

Way too many words but this same stale fight goes on everytime something happens.

More crying about the sky falling and "keeping under the radar" will simply slowly close out this sport.

Wut ever you just said i heard that Kuramae Shop is selling Airsoft Gunz right

You heard wrong. They were taken out.

Holy shit man start using proper english spelling. Please. Do you think you're some kind of Gangsta or something? If the answer is yes, please abandon any hope you have of playing this sport now.

I concur %100.

Gangsta's out. This isn't paintball.

government is being excessively harsh on airsoft though. lots of people are irresponsible with alcohol (ie DUI), i don't see any banning import of alcohol. Same principle, no?