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appa609 August 16th, 2011 21:36

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. At least now I know I was in the right direction when I decided to upgrade my sidearm.
I read in the tactics forum that leaning the rifle to one side or another in wind will allow the hopup to counter the wind, giving a mostly straight shot. I was wondering whether or not there was a rule of thumb to determine wind speed, or one to determine the required angle of tilt so that the bb sufficiently counters the wind, while still allowing the hopup to mostly support the bb's weight, or if this is simply intuition.

Also, I am curious as to exactly how I can best manage my meager volume of fire to actually pin down the enemy. Assuming I stay concealed, they may very well fail to notice my fire, amid the automatic barrage of our squad. Do I actually try to mainly get kills, or do I try to create the illusion of more of our members encircling their rear, or something else completely?

Do you think a scope would be a worthy investment considering the short eye relief of binocs?

Also, since I barely have the funds for arms and ammo, let alone a radio of decent quality, will a continuous cellphone conversation work?


Finally, regarding your prior advice again, how do I flank them safely, quietly, and quickly? I have no more camo than dull clothes, my steps are somewhat audible, I lack training in concealment, and the woods are dense enough to conceal an enemy ambush to either flank. How do I tread to avoid compromise?

appa609 August 16th, 2011 21:37

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Originally Posted by Outcast569 (Post 1518245)
For the love of every thing 6mm and spherical. Search the forms, google, tea leave. Something.


Depending where you play you may be just sent to get intel. Nothing more. Other times helping a patrol. Others setting up ambushes. There is no exact thing you can do. Its a role.
You will do what you are needed when needed. Like any rifleman, just with a different set of jobs.

And just because I could.

http://www.wikihow.com/Be-an-Airsoft-Sniper

Thanks, I've read that before. Very helpful.

Pinard August 16th, 2011 22:16

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Originally Posted by appa609 (Post 1518257)
Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. At least now I know I was in the right direction when I decided to upgrade my sidearm.
I read in the tactics forum that leaning the rifle to one side or another in wind will allow the hopup to counter the wind, giving a mostly straight shot. I was wondering whether or not there was a rule of thumb to determine wind speed, or one to determine the required angle of tilt so that the bb sufficiently counters the wind, while still allowing the hopup to mostly support the bb's weight, or if this is simply intuition.

Also, I am curious as to exactly how I can best manage my meager volume of fire to actually pin down the enemy. Assuming I stay concealed, they may very well fail to notice my fire, amid the automatic barrage of our squad. Do I actually try to mainly get kills, or do I try to create the illusion of more of our members encircling their rear, or something else completely?

Do you think a scope would be a worthy investment considering the short eye relief of binocs?

Also, since I barely have the funds for arms and ammo, let alone a radio of decent quality, will a continuous cellphone conversation work?


Finally, regarding your prior advice again, how do I flank them safely, quietly, and quickly? I have no more camo than dull clothes, my steps are somewhat audible, I lack training in concealment, and the woods are dense enough to conceal an enemy ambush to either flank. How do I tread to avoid compromise?

Train... go walk in the wood and try to be sneaky lol I don't know...
btw if you want to flank them , always easier when you have a direct assault team pinning their head down while going on flank...

DEATH2000 August 17th, 2011 02:10

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Originally Posted by appa609 (Post 1518257)
Also, since I barely have the funds for arms and ammo, let alone a radio of decent quality, will a continuous cellphone conversation work?


Finally, regarding your prior advice again, how do I flank them safely, quietly, and quickly? I have no more camo than dull clothes, my steps are somewhat audible, I lack training in concealment, and the woods are dense enough to conceal an enemy ambush to either flank. How do I tread to avoid compromise?

First, do you really want to accidentaly damage or destroy your cell phone? i highly reccomend against bringing it into games. Getting the screen shot out would really suck.

Second, as you stated: You have no camo, no training in concealment, your loud when you walk. I personally dont think Sniping is for you. A guy i know was a Sniper with the Canadian Forces. Its not something you take lightly. Its a serious commitment which requires a lot of training and skill. Both of which you stated you lack. You really need to reconsider why you puchased a sniper rifle to begin with. You wouldve been a lot better off buying an AEG.

Outcast569 August 17th, 2011 03:16

Death is right. Its not just a gun. Its an entire style alot of people cant. Took me years pulling recon roles to get the hang of it.

ThunderCactus August 17th, 2011 03:32

Most of the things your asking can be learned simply from going out and playing airsoft. You learn the physics as you play. If you can't learn airsoft physics, stealth, and where you want to be simply by playing the sport, then sniping isn't for you lol

appa609 August 17th, 2011 09:15

Thank you all. I should not try to be a sniper, though I'm sure the associated skills will be helpful in any role, and I will practice. I consider myself a designated marksman instead, who takes out longer range targets than the rest of my squad, but moves as a team. The reason I bought a spring (not sniper, per se) rifle as opposed to an aeg is that in my experience, a 50 dollar springer will always outlast a 50 dollar lpeg, and I had a bad experience with my first aeg's gearbox cracking. At the time of its purchase, I didn't have enough money to opt for a JG or even a CYMA (despite a friend offering a fully upgraded JG M4 at $100) I do realize the obvious advantage of AEG's and one will likely be my next gun. Probably a nice m-14.
For my grade, I am also quite good at physics, on paper at least, though I'm sure practice will do much good.

appa609 August 17th, 2011 09:25

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Originally Posted by DEATH2000 (Post 1518409)
First, do you really want to accidentaly damage or destroy your cell phone? i highly reccomend against bringing it into games. Getting the screen shot out would really suck.

Just out of curiosity, are radio transmitters significantly more durable, or is it simply because they lack a screen? I imagine a small piece of plywood could act as sufficient armor for this purpose. Besides, it's not an IPhone, it's a $10 net 10 phone with free minutes attached. :)

Short Round August 17th, 2011 09:53

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Originally Posted by appa609 (Post 1518473)
Just out of curiosity, are radio transmitters significantly more durable, or is it simply because they lack a screen? I imagine a small piece of plywood could act as sufficient armor for this purpose. Besides, it's not an IPhone, it's a $10 net 10 phone with free minutes attached. :)

Radios do still have screens, which can still be shot out or shattered without the correct pouch/placement on your loadout.

A radio is more effective though as your not limited to speaking to just one person but everyone in your squad or team

Strelok August 17th, 2011 11:06

Another really, really big factor is not having a rifle thats 50 dollars... I mean, the weapon is only a tool for the sniper himself but it really does help if the gun can shoot past 100ft without veering off, lol.

Disco_Dante August 17th, 2011 11:16

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Originally Posted by Strelok (Post 1518524)
Another really, really big factor is not having a rifle thats 50 dollars... I mean, the weapon is only a tool for the sniper himself but it really does help if the gun can shoot past 100ft without veering off, lol.

A weapon that can't shoot past 100 feet is a tool to help him learn to practice his stealthy movement and concealment! It's actually brilliant :P

ThunderCactus August 17th, 2011 14:21

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Originally Posted by appa609 (Post 1518466)
The reason I bought a spring (not sniper, per se) rifle as opposed to an aeg is that in my experience, a 50 dollar springer will always outlast a 50 dollar lpeg, and I had a bad experience with my first aeg's gearbox cracking. At the time of its purchase, I didn't have enough money to opt for a JG or even a CYMA (despite a friend offering a fully upgraded JG M4 at $100)

You always get what you pay for in airsoft. My M249 has had the same parts in it for 4 years of hard use now, never once has the mechbox failed me. But I spent $350 on the internals alone.

If you want a gun that lasts, don't buy anything chinese or at walmart. Tokyo marui is the best long term, reliable budget gun out there. And buy G&P if you want something metal.

slink182 August 17th, 2011 14:39

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1518625)
You always get what you pay for in airsoft. My M249 has had the same parts in it for 4 years of hard use now, never once has the mechbox failed me. But I spent $350 on the internals alone.

If you want a gun that lasts, don't buy anything chinese or at walmart. Tokyo marui is the best long term, reliable budget gun out there. And buy G&P if you want something metal.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. There are some Chinese manufacturers that build great guns, just as there are some Japanese manufacturers that build pretty much ungameable guns.

Would I consider buying a WA for its "pretty factor"? Sure. Would I game it? Eh, probably not.

Real Sword, VFC, G&P, CA, KJW - they all build great guns, and are either based in China or Taiwan. Maybe not consistently great across their entire catalog, but for the most part they're reliable and can take a beating. TM - they're great also, but they've also had their share of lemons.

Brian McIlmoyle August 17th, 2011 14:55

Tactics...
 
Advance under cover, place yourself on a flank.

your guys then advance to contact ( which for most airsofters means stumble forward till someone starts shooting) Most engagements start at the extreme range of most guns. here is where your range advantage works to your benefit.

Once contact occurs, then you breach cover and engage targets from the flanks while they dance around behind bushes blazing away at your guys.

This will only work if your guys are in on the plan.. and won't really be any use in a loose skirmish kind of environment ( which is probably where you play )

ThunderCactus August 17th, 2011 15:08

We've all agreed that Hong Kong is too hardcore to be grouped in with the rest of China lol


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