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Zack The Ripper June 11th, 2013 16:24

Its not really advisable to modify the lens itself in any way as even with boring the holes larger you weaken the overall strength of the lens. Just sayin'.

Trev140_0 June 12th, 2013 15:53

I rigged up a 7.4 nunchuck battery with 2 fans to my ESS....that is the way to go, and I can assure you, no way you will run out of power.

The cord is an old charge cord from a cell phone.

Some heat shring tubing, some solder, zip ties and boom.... you have AC

Zack The Ripper June 12th, 2013 16:22

^Yeah, but I can hear you laying in the grass with those things on. :-P

coach June 12th, 2013 16:44

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Originally Posted by Trev140_0 (Post 1805451)
I rigged up a 7.4 nunchuck battery with 2 fans to my ESS....that is the way to go, and I can assure you, no way you will run out of power.

The cord is an old charge cord from a cell phone.

Some heat shring tubing, some solder, zip ties and boom.... you have AC

Sounds a bit too nooblord'esq for most people to hack about with

Trev140_0 June 12th, 2013 17:21

....I am cool and dry as you poke fun......

Trev140_0 June 12th, 2013 17:35

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Originally Posted by ZackTheRipperC (Post 1805468)
^Yeah, but I can hear you laying in the grass with those things on. :-P



Then you must have heard me pulling the trigger when I shot you with my pistol too. Laying in the grass.

Cause I could see your hand go up clear as a bell when you called hit. Sans fog.

bahahaha.

Zack The Ripper June 12th, 2013 21:15

Lol I didn't hear you, I saw you. That was a strategic decision. You had less cover than my victim. You did get mercied.. :-P

Trev140_0 June 12th, 2013 21:22

Face it. My fans confused you.


You are jealous. You saw how ridiculously comfy I was, with my crystal clear vision, and did not know what to do.

You were looking at me through your sweaty goggles and could not see the target till the high polished bb was on the way.....

MADDOG June 13th, 2013 11:01

There is a reason I wear my paintball JT elite with a thermal lens (has to be dual pane thermal not the single pane it originally comes with), even when paintball googles are not required, they never fog ever. It is better to be able to see than look cool ;)

Boogie regulators were always meant to be used in high movement/wind environment where air circulates through the front holes (Para jump, open hatch, motorcycle ride, etc.) Without that you are going to have problems, it appears they were not meant or designed to be wear all day protection.

Kokanee June 13th, 2013 11:20

I have found that removing some of the closed cell foam around the edges of the lens so as to have one hole about 2 cm wide on each side above and below allows enough air into the lens to prevent fogging.

Trev140_0 June 13th, 2013 11:48

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Originally Posted by MADDOG (Post 1805795)
There is a reason I wear my paintball JT elite with a thermal lens (has to be dual pane thermal not the single pane it originally comes with), even when paintball googles are not required, they never fog ever. It is better to be able to see than look cool ;)

Boogie regulators were always meant to be used in high movement/wind environment where air circulates through the front holes (Para jump, open hatch, motorcycle ride, etc.) Without that you are going to have problems, it appears they were not meant or designed to be wear all day protection.

I don't understand how the dual pane will take care of the fogging. Is the fog (Condensation) created by the heat and steam coming off your face forming on the inside of the lenses?

Does the second pane somehow effect the temp variance messing with the dew point?

m102404 June 13th, 2013 12:16

Thermal lenses create "dead" air space that moderates the air temperature differences between one face of the lense and the other. For a single pane, as the lense chills from the external side the interior side cools the same and water in the humid vapour between your face and the lense condenses/collects on the lense creating the fog. With a thermal lense the dead air space allows for a more moderate temperature difference between the inside/outside faces of the interior lense...and hopefully with enough ventilation...fogging is avoided. It doesn't change physics...it just delays/suppresses the environmental conditions.

If the gas between the lenses was "dry" and inert (like a window for a house) then regardless of how hot the interior lense was vs. how cold the exterior lense was you would prevent the build up of fogging.

Re. water vapour from eyes/face/skin...that's still being expirated and thermal lenses don't change that...but keeping the lense temperature difference close enough is the key.

In the end it comes down to ventilation. Airflow is everything. If you stand around long enough so you cool down and allow your skin to dry off...then you're likely to fog very little. If you run around like crazy in humid weather and then drop down in the shade and drape a shemagh over your head/lenses to cut off airflow then no amounts of fans/anti-fog/etc...will prevent fogging. Obviously those are ideals to make a point and not practical in game play.

And...some weirdo bastards never seem to sweat enough from their eyes/face to fog regardless of what they're using.

coach June 13th, 2013 12:39

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Originally Posted by m102404 (Post 1805817)
And...some weirdo bastards never seem to sweat enough from their eyes/face to fog regardless of what they're using.

I hate those guys! Usually one of the reasons why I need to flip to full auto to try and keep up with them on the run.

MADDOG June 13th, 2013 14:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by m102404 (Post 1805817)
Thermal lenses create "dead" air space that moderates the air temperature differences between one face of the lense and the other. For a single pane, as the lense chills from the external side the interior side cools the same and water in the humid vapour between your face and the lense condenses/collects on the lense creating the fog. With a thermal lense the dead air space allows for a more moderate temperature difference between the inside/outside faces of the interior lense...and hopefully with enough ventilation...fogging is avoided. It doesn't change physics...it just delays/suppresses the environmental conditions.

If the gas between the lenses was "dry" and inert (like a window for a house) then regardless of how hot the interior lense was vs. how cold the exterior lense was you would prevent the build up of fogging.

Re. water vapour from eyes/face/skin...that's still being expirated and thermal lenses don't change that...but keeping the lense temperature difference close enough is the key.

In the end it comes down to ventilation. Airflow is everything. If you stand around long enough so you cool down and allow your skin to dry off...then you're likely to fog very little. If you run around like crazy in humid weather and then drop down in the shade and drape a shemagh over your head/lenses to cut off airflow then no amounts of fans/anti-fog/etc...will prevent fogging. Obviously those are ideals to make a point and not practical in game play.

And...some weirdo bastards never seem to sweat enough from their eyes/face to fog regardless of what they're using.

The eye foam is also sealed and thin and does not absorb water causing condensation like other JT goggles. The sweat just drips down the face instead of staying in the goggle zone. The elites are also lower profile but only 180 degree view. If it was really humid you can add a fan but I have not used one in the last 5 years.

Also it helps to wear a bandanna and have a bald head for ventilation ;)

J-Man19 July 5th, 2013 01:49

going to try using this on my glasses and see how it works out. works great on my car windshield.

http://www.rainx.com/product/glass-a.../#.UdZeCvk3uSo


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