The frag-line is for grenades not magazine fed weapons. They intentionally don't super polish them for that reason.

??? Gryphon's. Not sure where you got Elite Force unless you mean that's what you are basing findings against as mentioned. Gryphon makes .25 tracers, used 3-4 bottles of them in August and worked like a charm. I Have elite force however I don't use them that much.

Considering the results I got with them, I would disagree. I've had maybe a handful misfeed with them from the 20 000 I've used. I'd say that's good enough for me. I guess It shows how good the brand is if they're really intended for grenade use only. Anyways, that's beside the point of this thread lol.

That is what happens when it is "proudly designed in Canada" then "$$$ made over seas"

If BBB was 100% made in Canada, they would be still here today. Plus they would be contracted by other companies for private labelled bb's.

You can certainly use them in whatever you like, I've even used a few in a spring L96 and they worked. They didn't however get the same love and polishing as their other lines.

I had problems with Bastards Bio bbs. Was a hot day and every one of my magazines, rifle and pistol the bbs flattened out and jammed. Took over 2 hours with a pick to get them all out. Then the vendors here couldn't get any bbs cause they were going to some big event in the states. We all had to look elsewhere and never looked back.

Their regular bbs were good, a little pricey, but I hated their bios. And if they are not going to be available, well, hard to stay with something that you can't buy.

So what do people buy now?

Madbull, G&G, maybe some others.

Bioshot (still rarer and harder to get than some more widespread brands), and I may be trialling the 0.3 Gryphons at OP:Risk alongside the bioshots.

Elite Force.

I'm with Ricochet, Elite Force.

Interesting to hear you had issues with your Bastard bio's like that. Nearly a decade ago we switched over to bio's and didn't have any issues, in fact I'd say they were easily on par with their styrene rounds. The only problem I had witnessed is one of our guys saying his Bastard bio's began melting in the bags he had purchased after sitting for a year or two. The weird part was that he got his in the same crates that we got ours and bags were handed out randomly, except for desired weights. Every other player had not experienced this and not only has mine just ran out after over six years, but another one of our guys who dropped out of airsoft the year after we made the order is now selling his bags in perfect condition. I'd have to surmise that is must have something to do with how they are being stored. Having them around severe hot, cold, or even moisture hasn't ruined any of my Bastard bio's. I've played in 40•, -20•, and torrential rain and if a BB will feed consistently in a PTW, it'll feed in anything. But Grudge is correct, if BB Bastard is done then alternatives will have to be sought out.

Lots of people rave over the G&G and Madbull lines, but I've never used G&G and when we ordered Madbull's they all jammed and chopped, but that was over a decade ago now.

Bioshot seems to be king of the modern bio, especially because of the weights they offer, but I again, have not tried them myself and they can be difficult/expensive to get.

Goldenball and Valken suck terribly. I've personally seen both have issues in several guns and have never read a positive review on them.

Tamashi bio BB's are literally the worst BB's on planet earth. I'd almost run those frumpy plastic ones at Canadian Tire over those.

Elite Force are great and readily available, at least out here. I know of at least four different shops that carry them, so they are really easy to get and work very well.

BB Bastard is possibly the best BB ever, but they've closed up shop, so who cares.

Green Devils are another outstanding BB with a couple of carriers in Canada. They've been around forever and are probably the best BB out of Europe. Up until BB Bastard bio rounds these were the way to go.

Gryphon's are B2's foray into the BB world and are lauded as being on par with Green Devil's, but not enough solid data is on them yet. Sidster, who I know owns many different platforms, swears by them, but other than that, it's a mystery. However I have heard good things about B2 consistently and hopefully can review their rounds soon.

Was running Elite Force with zero issues and super happy with the performance. Recently switched to Madbulls and I am just as happy with them as the EF's.

That's like....literally forever in the airsoft world. Madbulls are great.

That's why I said it was over a decade ago. Many people swear by them now, but we never went back. Gotta be fair.

Honestly, go by availability, cost and most of all, quality.

In my opinion every BB has to pass the PTW test. For some reason they don't like crappy or mediocre rounds, so if it feeds and shots well in a PTW then it's good to go.