Those are plastic frame.

NO YOU CAN NOT KNOW :razz: lol just kidding


i am possibly moving to utah in the next few year to live with my GF who lives they're and will be looking at getting A CCW permit once i move down they're possibly before if i can find a state with permit recipricy that will issue to canadians.

I am also working with CASD The Canadian Association for Self-Defence which is an organiseation working to provide canadians with addiqute means training for legal self defence. we're working to change the laws so that the CFO's can not simpluy refuse to issue an Authoriseation To Carry permit simply because they lack celeberity status or political conections to an individual who can prove they are capable of safly carrying a hand gun as a police officer with out jsutifyable reason (curently it is impossible because many cfo's are severaly anti carry).

i am also looking to get into competive shooting in various forms such as IPSC, IPDA and OSA precission rifle, service rifle and operational pistol. unlike recission rifle and in some case's service rilfe for those with M14's and Swissarms PE90's operational pistol and other forms of pistol cometion all require access to a legal range for real steal fire arms.

presission and service rifle (ecept those who shoot ar 15's) can be practise on any privite property or range where fire arms can be discharged.

an air soft pistol would allow me to practise with out the read tape of real steel fire arms when i can't get out to a range. Also all force on force options are restrictive and the only reliable company will not sell to civilians at all.

The experience I've had with 1911s so far says to me that they wouldn't make very good carry guns...
The fact that they're not ( generally ) double action means that to carry one safely with a round in the chamber is pretty much impossible. Sure it's not very likely that you will somehow manage to shoot yourself but it is definitely more of a possibility than with something like a SIG P226.

I personally think you should be looking for a compact double action pistol that has a proper de-cocking system.
My suggestions would be either a SIG P228 ( or norinco's copy of it ) or something like the P99 compact...

Well you can carry around a 1911 half-cocked with a round in the chamber....

But yeah a double action pistol might be better. Dunno.

That is true... I'll admit that fact slipped my mind *blush*

Something about the 1911 just screams snags at me too... I know that whenever I re-holster mine the slide safety dis-engages. I think guns with internal strikers are probably more practical ala Glock or P99... The only problem is he doesn't like polymer framed guns!
Shame! The P99 is the most pointable thing I've ever held...

yeah i like the look of the P99 one of the few polimer guns i like

but i am not sure how available parts are like i said a certan german manurfacturer has really bad service for civilians

not sure how walther is on replacement parts for real steal stuff

nore the air soft verson

Too bad you can't get yourself a CZ in 6mm without a serious hunt.

I can't really think of any gripes I've got with the CZ75 except that I think I'd rather have a 75B, and they don't have one with an ambi mag release.

i honestly really don't like the look of CZpistols lol i hear they are great guns and all but ugh ye\ah with guns function comes first but ugh form is still important

TM hicapa is flashing.

WA 2011..

Hands down.

Hard kick, awesome feel, and decent parts (except slide) available.. Kinda require high grade, heavy bbs to be any good, but.. when they're good... they're amazing.

Fair enough, I guess. Personally, I think it's a sharp looking gun, but I guess it grows on you when you use it.

I'm function over form, but I guess you gotta like what you see too.

Get yourself a TM p226 - Reliable, and Sig's guns are ver-nice.

TM GBBs are some of the best. The hi-capas have a lot of great features but they may cause a bunch of snags. Target sights, the horn on lemon safety , optional rail, and extended mag can all create easy hang-up. I am suggesting the TM detonics, it is a bit under powered compared to other GBBs, but for your application distance isn't an issue. It is one of the smaller GBBs and it is a replica of a gun designed for concealed carry. This should also feel native to any 1911 users but I don't think it is ambidextrous. A TM glock would be my second choice due to its snag-free design but it is closer to a full size service pistol. A short barrel revolver would be another option, but they are not blow back gas guns (no simulated recoil) and many people would rather have the capacity of an auto. So, training on a revolver might be pointless.

cool where what businesses are still operating there was like 4 good ones that vanished a while back

If you want to it for ccw then IMO a cz of the 75 family like SP01 is the best bet. Cz 's have best design going. It is the most carried semi in the world.
I have an old real steal 75 I used for IPSC , it is my baby:)

I think these everyone here is missing a really important part of this problem.

Weight.

I have carried, daily, for work and weight is a huge issue. For the record I had a SIG 225 on my leg for over 2 months. It's an aluminum framed pistol single stack and even it was heavy by the end of the day.
The DA first pull was long and hard, it is also a very snappy gun for a 9mm due to the high bore axis. In short I wasn't a fan.

This is the reason why polymer pistols are the most popular CCW option. If it becomes a chore to carry then you won't carry it, and that defeats the whole premise of being prepared.

Honestly go G19 or any of the other compact Glocks in the caliber of your choice. Having few external controls to deal with in a stress situation and to "print" against your shirt.

The other guns people are recommending are great "gaming" pistols for all the same reasons that the Glock isn't. Moreover is available, cheap and has been in production for years.
-Grant