| mcguyver |
March 19th, 2008 00:07 |
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDN_Stalker
(Post 672251)
Lutnit is able to after modifying his PTW Max, but the info I posted is from him, unmodded they really suck with anything over 0.25g, and are found lacking with 0.25g as well, since he says they were designed for 0.20g.
I shot Apoc's M16 PTW with the 150 cylinder and found it reasonably shitty past 100ft using 0.25g BBs. At least shitty by the reputation PTWs have, I found it to be not as good as either of my TM MP5s shooting 0.28g BBs (sub 380fps w/0.20g BBs), larger groups on the PTW and dropping around 130ft. And I was the one setting the hop up, really sensitive with the new tightbore he installed, was either going up or going down, and even the straightest I got them weren't that impressive. Impressive is the trigger response, the real Armalite action, the fast rate of fire. Aside from that I'm in no hurry to spend $2000 on an Armalite when my MP5s can out perform what I've shot. In Systema's defence though, they have designed one hell of a system for close in use, for training, and Apoc hasn't a clue how to set his guns up properly anyways.
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Stalker, I hear you work on all Apoc's guns. So, just an FYI when you work on the hop-up (like installing a new barrel for example). No silicone lube. None at all, ever. When you install the barrel, and must assemble the huop-up, use Systema cylinder grease, and only very sparingly. A little on the adjuster cushions, and a little on the barrel and rubber sleeve to aid in insertion. Never anything on the adjuster at all. You must also not over-lube the nozzle o-ring, to avoid grease contamination to the adjuster.
Clean the barrel if needed, yes, but no lube. I use Metal Tech 0.25 and I can tell you with the M150 I can hit a man-sized target at 300 feet+. With a tail wind and shooting from a tower, I've had shots go out past 600 feet (paced off). No accuracy, but at 600 feet, you can't expect any from any gun.
The reason a PTW gets the range it does is due to the hop-up. If you lube it, your totally remove the backspin function, and range and accuracy really suffer. I made the mistake of following Systema's recommeded lube at 3000 rounds, and then I had to tear down the hop-up to get rid of it after. I believe I posted this up in the PTW FAQ thread as well. |
