What I wrote still stand.

Is there an average markup? I'm trying to figure out how much I need to save but can't even window shop, kinda hard to figure..

You'll be able to shop and compare once mopic's site is up to the public.

350 for a JG M4, anything cheaper will explode. Basically the step below that is a Canadian Tire M4.

You MIGHT be able to get one shipped from China thats full metal and in your price range...

But then you rely on customs not checking your package, so its not worth it.

No the next step below is the Aftermath line and they are far above CT brand, almost to the level of JG (even in a year or two by my guess) and $100-200 cheaper than JG....

Do what everyone else does:
Read Reviews
Go to games to see them and (maybe) handle them
Touch yourself
???
Profit

If you've never handled one before, go to a game and get a feeling on some people's guns that they've put some serious money into, it'll change your current perspective.

Seriously, you want to start out with a Systema? Good gun, sure, but I would go with a solid CA, TM or the likes before dropping down the serious bucks for the most expensive stock gun in mass production.

Especially when the price tag for the gun itself is just the beginning, two boxes of mags by themselves cost more than your average AEG, whereas two boxes for regular Armalites will run you 110$.

Or you can Ronan it out, I guess... :)

Go to the Battlefield 4 game in Olds on Aug 16th at Weekend Warriors. There are likely to be 200+ players there, with probably 30-40 PTWs, as well as every other make or model of AR out there. And the age limit is 16+. Even if you don't play, you may still be able to talk to the largest player gathering in Alberta in many years if, perhaps, ever.

Seriously, check it out.

Hey I'll be in Alberta by then lol! I'll be in Cold Lake on the 16th but no time to head to a game :(

Tell'em they can wait a day and go to the game. ;)

If the sam-r was running in tip top shape I just might! All my gear is being brought with me to alberta anyways lol :D

what would you guys say for this as a starter gun? supposing i could get it through the border. Classic Army M15A2 Carbine http://www.wgcshop.com/

classic army are good crunchmeisters m15 is a real beast apparantly