just wondering what internal parts a "fully upgraded" KJ 10/22 (KC02) would contain
planning on getting one, I've heard that stock kc02s are meh,

If I was going to go for a DMR set up what parts would i get internally?

only thing worth changing is the hopup rubber and the inner barrel. thats all i have changed on mine. internally the thing is built solid when its stock. no need to fuck with it if it doesn't need it.

hell even stock that gun is a naildriver. very very gameable out of the box, gamed mine a ton of times before i did anything at all to it.

Where did you hear that? Stock KC02's are amazing.

haha now i know thanks guys, I'm planning on getting one just needed to know how they were,

Well that settles my "fence" sitting too. I will probably be getting one then too. Has anyone tried double stacking the extended mags into 7.62 mag pouches? By double stacking I mean side by side.

i use m14 mag pouches for mine and lay them one on top of the other, works rather well for me.

Anybody have any luck with a M1 para stock fitting?

Sweet, that is what I was planning on doing with them. For the pistol grip, I have read that it's a wa gbbr and I have also heard it was an aeg style. In other words I'm wondering if this grip would work on it http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/accessori...ies-black.html

yes its a WA GBBR pistol grip but that one will most likely not fit due to the back portion or it. the only one i was able to get on there was the MOE grip with the normal back end. but it looks sexy so im happy with it.

Grabbed one of these up. Hope I like it!

Ok thanks for the help Viperfish

Here's the latest pictures of my KC-02/M1 Carbine

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...M1-Carbine.jpg
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...-Carbine-2.jpg

With sight kit, oiler and sling from Ratech
Had to cut the rail to install the rear sight.

^Did you re-finish the wood? It looks better than normal ratech.

Yes i did.
Sanded all the wood (took a couple of hours...)
I used red mahogany from Minwax and boiled linseed oil.

Looking great! Got all your mags?

Got six... One is kia... damn pot metal... Need to be re tap
Might buy a couple of the ratech one.

So I just picked up one of these babies yesterday from 007Airsoft :). Has anyone felt like they could push the safety button all the way through it's hole before?

Yep, be careful with that! The orings are what holds it in

Ok, that's what I thought it was but I just wanted to make sure it wasn't faulty.

Hey All.
Im thinking about buying one and had a few questions.
does anyone use the falcon hop up and 509 mm barrel? Is it any good?

if the falcon sucks, any advice which barrel and rubber to use?

What are peoples thoughts on the 30 round mag vs the 22 round mag?, thanks all.

20 rounders leak like hell.

Really? You are the first I've ever heard have that issue.

:rolleyes:

the falcon barrel kit sucks. I had to drill out the extension. The hop up rubber was shit I had to remove a pug of rubber from the barrel hole. The inner was worst then the factory.

I currently have the RAtech hopup and barrel, both work amazingly well togeather, no issues at all. the short mags are great as long as you keep then inner oring greased up. i havent gotten the long mags yet but i plan to.

from reading, i believe i saw that the stock barrel only fills half of the outer?
Would you recommend the 380 mm barrel to fill that outer barrel?

My mag that came with the gun leaked, but the bottom screw was loose, so after that was fixed, it works like a charm. I'm planning on getting the 30rds soon though.

That stock barrel is plenty long believe it or not. All I would recommend is installing a RA-TECH hop up rubber. You will notice a huge accuracy increase with just the rubber, and your gun will shoot very far.

Well, it is only half the length of the outer barrel, but it IS plenty accurate stock. I would also have to recommend the RA tech rubber, i use it with the full length RAT inner barrel and the accuracy is astounding. Just need a way to get the FPS down!

No no I meant that the half length inner barrel is plenty long for the distance the gun is shooting, not that it's longer than half length, just poor wording on my part lol

No, because if you buy the full length RATECH tightbore (or similar) you'll be shooting around 600fps.

If you get the full sized inner barrel with the rat hopup you will be fine if you use duster in the summer. once it gets colder you can safely switch to propane.

ok, thanks for the help guys. I will buy the ra tech hop up then, and leave the barrel as is. I only ask as I was watching a video on ra techs site where the 380 barrel was much more tight groupings.
Has anyone installed the npas for it? I saw on the same video at ra tech, they were saying its difficult to install

There is no NPAS for the KJ 10/22.

I have the RA tightbore, shoots 480 consistantly on propane. Yours must be way hotter than mine.

Are you testing in winter temperatures? Stock mine shoots 430-440fps with 0.20's. Using 0.28's, it shoots 350fps, or 480fps equivalent on 0.28's

Our chrono result on the weekend was approx. 450-460 on propane with 0.28s. I only installed RA Tech hop up and TB.

Yeah, so that's 530-540fps on 0.20's.

I have the RA m1 carbine kit, tested indoors, 480 on .20g.

Had 478 fps on .28 at 30 celcius last years...

I wonder why RA don't make a npas for it :(

hi, i am new to gas airsoft guns and i was going to get this gun. first off, how long do you fill the mag for before it is full? second, green gas or propane? i play in my back yard with a ton of friends (we live in a small town and have huge private properties) so fps does not matter because we agreed that any semi only or sniper rifles can shoot as hot as they want and they know how much fps this has. also, do you recommend the ra tech outer and inner barrel for this gun (here is the link: http://en.ratech.com.tw/product/html...detail_017.php ) and finally, what gram bb is recommended for best range? (i am not using .4's, they sound like they mess with your hop up)

So wouldent you know it, i went to go get my gun to do some FPS tests for everyone and i found i have broken my charging handle off. :(

Anyone by chance for there stock one laying around? not a huge fan of the RA tech one.

Whoa, that is really shitty to say the least..... So I was planning on using my 10/22 for Mason Relic, but I'm in a little bind now? I was planning on not being a marksmen type player this year and I was planning on using .28's. 355fps is the max fps limit for a GBBR on .28's (as per the rules on the MR4 forum) but when I did a chrono on it with .20's it was at 480ish, which is 60fps over. The max allowed is 420fps, is it like last year where everyone chrono'd with .20's? Or would we be allowed to chrono with the weight we are going to play with?

Maybe something to post in a MR4 forum, or pm the host.

You definitely have to chrono with .20s or it will be measured along with the same mass of BB. The energy being exerted onto the BB is the same as with a .20g BB, it just moves slower. It can hurt/injure just the same as a smaller BB with the same force exerted onto it. Possibly more.

They may let you Chrono with .28s, but they will be converting the outcome to the .20 baseline to measure. In which it would be according to what you've said... 480 FPS. OUCH.

It seems to be standard practice anyway. Could go down if its a cooler day since its Gas, but I don't know how much.

Yeah I posted up on MR4 already, I'm just waiting for a response from Bent Barrel to find out, if not I could play with duster....

duster is always the best option when trying to get the fps down.

as for gas guns, i always heard you are supposed to chronie with the weight you will be using. something about how its not really effected by the weight.

Around here everyone knows i shoot 36s with mine and when using duster on even the hottest summer day it is still slow enough to take to prz

Yeah this year, just like last year they are going to chrono with .20's so I'll have to use duster at the game then. Oh well!

I read somewhere that a KJW m4 GBBR npas will also fit in the gun. I dont know if this is true but im picking one up this saturday and will see if it works.

I doubt that but let us know if it work.
That would be great :)

Yeah I asked last year. No dice because it's a semi auto, not a bolt action.

That's actually a really ass backwards way of doing things. The point of chronying guns is to make sure that you're not hurting people with the joule output of your airsoft gun.

With that in mind, the chrony rules are based around AEGs and Spring operated guns. These guns follow the principle of "it is safe, outside, if it shoots under 400fps with 0.20g BB's, as 400fps with 0.20g BB is equal to 1.49 joules."

The joules are the part which hurts, as this is literally the energy the BB carries at the muzzle (eg, a point blank shot).

AEGs and Spring operated guns firing at 1.49 joules do not increase in joules as the BB weight is increased. So a gun which fires 400fps with 0.20g, and 298fps on 0.36g, still has the same 1.49 joule rating.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME FOR MOST GAS RIFLES.

A gas rifle, (WE series, for instance) firing 400 fps with 0.20g, will have a joule rating of 1.49joules (1.49j is the energy from a 400fps 0.20g object, irrespectable of the gun firing it).

But because the gas system modifies the amount of gas fired dependant on how long the BB is in the barrel, and heavier BB's take longer to travel down the barrel, they then are pushed by more gas!

Loading the same gas gun firing 400fps with 0.20g BBs, with 0.36 BBs, will likely chrony in the area of 350fps with 0.36g BBs. This is a joule rating of 2.05joules. Which is equivalent to 470fps with 0.20g BBs fired from an AEG or a spring gun.

This is dangerous, especially if the operator is not considering a minimum engagement range with his weapon.

Use this site for more info:

http://msed.bbbastard.com/index.php?...d=53&Itemid=57

^^^^^^

thats the thing i was thinking of. thanks shelled.

Sweet, tell me if the npas works in it and yeah it sucks with being too hot.

It won't work. It's for the M4 only, not the 10/22.

Hi guys, from the UK and just purchased this gun. Good to find a forum topic on this baby. Just installed the ra-tech inner barrel and hop rubber. Bought the kjw m4 npas kit as apparently it fits. But this is my first gas gun so no idea how to install it yet. Will be interested to see if it fits.

been fiddling with mine today. Did afew mods to make the barrel more secure.

Iv also been doing more chronie tests, im getting interesting results with the tb and ra hopup. seems to not be breaking 400. If this is the case this is great news for me for gaming. but it could also be cold propane.

I Installed the KJW M4 Npas kit inside my 10/22 and from what i can see (I don't own a Chrono sadly so i cannot verify the fps) it seems to make a difference. I could see the bb dropping closer as i adjusted the screw inside.

Sounds like an airleak in the hop up to me.

^Been wondering if this would work.

Turns out the hopup rubber is just that stiff that it cuts down on my FPS, this would explain why my gun loves 36s so much.

makes it simpler for me as now i can game it at prz with propane and indoors at tac on dusters.

ill do some nice tests next weekend.

^I want to try the RA-tech hop up rubber. The stock one seems to be quite shit, well at least on mine. Doesn't want to work at all. RA-tech any better? What color is it btw?

The RA one is white and solid as a rock, It also has the bucking broken into 2 nubs as opposed to one solid one.

It works amazingly well but you will need to use a heavy BB with it. Like i keep saying Bastard .36s are the way to go with this gun with that rubber.

You could always try the old school coke can method?

That doesn't really show you much of anything. It's a very bad way of chronying.

Yeah I thought of it after I said it, and figured it's actually a bad way to do it. And with gas guns, it wouldn't really work.

Picked this up last week!
Just waiting on my order of mags to arrive so I can game this thing.

Super fun to shoot though!

mine should be in next week!

Pick up a RA tech rubber. Works way better than the stock piece. Also my fps dropped to about 400 which is no problem for me;)

ya that was my find as well, i will re chronie it with 36s this sunday. ill post my findings.

I think I'll have to pick up one of those RA-Tech hopup rubbers from Airsoftparts...

Hi guys need some advice, managed to fit a ra-tech inner barrel and hopup rubber, and with help from EVG31337, I managed to install kjw m4 npas kit. Only prob was when putting back together I accidently stretched the cylinder spring. It all seems to still work but what are the effects long-term. I'm a novice with gasguns so unsure.

Thanks for the advice.
From a foggy UK have a goodone.

Alright with the Long mag, RAtech inner barrel and RAtech Hopup rubber.

Im shooting 325fps at 1.7J when using bastard .36g BBs on propane.

The long mag has made it very consistent with a flux of about 5-10FPS (excluding FPS drop due to cooldown)

Duster test to follow

That seems quite low for having the extended tightbore in and heavy BB's...

The heavy hopup does that

The RA tech is much harder than the originak KJW. Mine is shooting 400-410fps with .20. Have yet to chrono it with a heavy BB. Heaviest I have right now is .30 which seems to work alright. Keep in mind I am using the m1 carbine tightbore.

Alright so with the same internal setup as listed before.

Im shooting 280fps at 1.3J when using bastard .36g BBs on duster

Still fairly consistent however not as consistent as propane. Max FPS never broke 280.

This works out to 376fps on .2os if you do the conversion.

I had to game mine after my primary gave up. Bio only field, .25s was the heaviest I could get my hands on.... after trying to predict shot trajectory, I was able to curl a shot around a tree, shooting sideways to get the hit. Never again! Btw, same setup as Viperfish.

propane or duster?

on duster you can push a lighter bb but i would never use lighter then a 28 in it.

.28 with the ra-tech hopup and tightbore on duster. Would that make a good combination for around 400 fps and accuracy?

I plan to use that for my M1 Carbine mod at the next ww2 game here in Québec.

if you can use .3, the show will be slower of course but it will go out nice and far with a nice tight grouping. These guns love heavy bbs once you get that hopup in there.

Cool mate, will do!

Not a problem.

On a unrelated note, has anyone swapped out there cocking handle for an upgraded one?

if so would you be willing to sell me your stock one? hard to game the gun with mine broken :(

Kind of off the airsoft part of the topic but the stock kit that is used out of the box by kjw is a stock kit available like that for the real .22lr 10/22? ive been looking at buying one, ruger offers a "tactical" version with an ati side fold stock kit which isnt bad but i hate side folders and i like the stock on the airsoft version. any help like a manufacture or the stock name to search would be great.

Buy one you cheap bastard! Haha.

Also, I've used 0.25's in mine with propane no problem.

Ive seen the tasco kits they are close but they look kinda cheap and terrible to me. Please tell me that that isnt what kjw copied and did better lol

On propane, but they were .25 bios(mad**ll). It was horrible. I've shot .36s as well with this set-up, it's definately the way to go. What options are available for bios in that weight? Other than not doing it at all.

Far as i know we should have bio 3s coming soon. but in the meantime only bio 28.

Do you have to use bios or something?

it's a bio field only, so I wasn't planning on gaming the 10/22 there.

So I'm planning on setting my 10/22 up as a dmr/counter sniper weapon. I'm already planning on getting the harder hop up for it and probably use .36's in it. What else do i need internally for it? And what NON CLONE scope would you guys recommend for me? I was thinking of a 3-9x scope?

ra tech tb, your going to want that as well as a long mag to help with shot constancy,

Good to know, thanks Viper, Anything else?

Not really, only issue iv run into that gun is breaking my charging handle (my fault), having to reset the mag orings (easy to do) and the small mag defect some mags come with.

If you dont have any of those problems and run the tb and the hopup with 36 you should be fine.

Optics wise id choose something you like. However i have always been keen on NCstar simply because they offer a lifetime warranty that covers things like the lenses getting shot out.

Ok, thanks Viper. I'm also planning on using the 20rd mags with this setup because of how I'll be gaming it. So with the TB and the new hop up, it will be shooting around 400? With Propane or Duster? I would like to be using my baby for Claybank this year :)

Ill throw some rounds threw mine with the short mag and i can give you both a propane and duster reading tonight. normally in the summer though i run duster. but i also game mine like most game an M4

Oh sweet, I'll make the decision after the results come in from you!

hey i got my kjw 10/22 today and there is a few things off, the bb at about 125-150 feet curves to the right, and im using 0.28's. im also using green gas, which brings me to number 2, some lube is coming out of the barrel when i shoot. only once in a while though. also the hop up wont ajust the tragectery of the bb. could anyone plz help

Clean you barrel.

with what? i am really new to gas guns, but i ahve had an aeg for a year now......