And your point is?

Thanks guys...I've been chatting and I found a better gun for my needs.

The JG HK416. Crane stock. Droppin in a Systema 1 spring. Putting a 9.6 3800 or 4200 in the crane.

I think I'm going to get a KWA olive and black USP .45 GBB as well.

That's something of an overkill for a 1J spring.

For how much it cost's, isn't it worth it for the guaranteed life?

Higher battery power does not equal more guaranteed life. In fact, using a battery that's too powerful for the gun shortens its life. You should be looking at a 8.4v battery instead.

Is the 9.6 ROF worth the lower life? What size 8.4? 3800 or 4200? Thanks

8.4v would give you plenty high ROF. You're not "sacrificing" ROF by avoiding 9.6v, you're avoiding a silly ROF.

For NiMH batteries, anything between 1800 to 3800 is enough for such a modest spring.

Is the Systema 1 the only way to get a JG HK416 <350 fps?

Plenty of springs are rated for 350fps or less.

Knowledge leecher ! :D

Sorry. Is a different spring the only way to get under 350?

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4171/15666231jn5.jpg

Okay, everybody just settle the hell down for a minute & stop talking about swapping out this spring for that spring & so on.

I took my new JG/Echo M4S to it's first outdoor game today & it smoked a lot of players.
Lots of comments & questions about it & a lot of surprised looks when they discovered what it was.

Now, the only thing I did, more out of frustration than anything else, was mount a PEQ battery box to the right side rail to incorporate a butterfly 9.6V x 1700 MaH battery - THAT"S IT!!

That's all!

You don't need to start swapping this that or the other thing - know why?

No, why, Uncle Haggis?

Because the JG M4S comes pre-tuned.

Really!?

Yes, really.

Case in point, my AEG has a factory installed tight bore (I checked upon arrival) & the new black systema clone mech box. (that's right kids, no shit.) that chronos at/around 410/425 FPS with .20's.

I haven't chroned this gun yet, BUT!! I was knocking down players at ranges exceeding my other riced guns using .25s. these weren't lobs, these were direct engagements of opposing players.

I was able to engage through dense pine boughs & heavy foliage & make hard & direct contact hits on other players. (They were damned surprised to have that happen!)

So relax - research a little more & understand that you don't have to immediately spend more money gutting a perfectly good little clone right out of the box.

Now, if you're concerned about a lower fps rating for different fields I suggest, & that's all I'm doing here, suggesting, you try a different make & model. You'd be doing yourself a real disservice of gutting the current JG V2 M4S system AEG. I was shocked, as were other players, of how hard it shot & how hard it hit at some pretty damn impressive ranges. Find a used TM or ICS for lower base fps limits.

Myself, this is my 3rd Jing Gong & I see their product as only getting better.

My 1st, a JG M16A4 shooting 380+ fps straight out of the box.

My 2nd, a JG M773 shooting 380+ fps straight out of the box.

But! My new JG M4S blows both of them right the hell outta of the water & all I did was incorporate a larger battery because I hate fighting to make that shitty little 8.4v fit under the barrel.

Merely an observation of past posts, a few suggestions & some opinions.

...here endeth the rant.

I like how I can change back to the stock spring when I want. Workin on guns is cool. For the price of my JG HK416, it seams like a great gun. Does the HK416 have the Systema clone as well? Or the TM clone?

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/SpringChart.html

find a big list and the approtimately the fps it will shoot, in ur gun it may shoot faster or slower, but this is to give u an ideal fps it will shoot