I wouldn't say wanting a shitty gun for a loaner is selfish. So far I've had one gun broken (G36) and another part lost from my FA-MAS because of letting other people handle it.

you are a saint. i would throw a shit fit if that happened to be and only after the shit fit would it finally sink in what had happened and then i really would get angry.

QTF and +1

After all the people with experience told you it was shit, you chose to read selectively and only look at the advice you liked. Have fun with your Kraken.

Hey!

You BMW owners can drive you fancy cars while I get my 40 Miles per Gallon in the Festiva!

Agreed, there is such a thing as entry level.
These are just toy guns after all is said and done.

Let's just say I've learned my lesson. The only people who are touching my airsoft guns now are those who already own them and know how to handel them.

Same thing with me, some people don't know how to take care of their guns or other people's.

yeah he charges alot to ship. I just got my kraken and its awsome. but i am also thinking of mabey upgrading it a little. Also thanks for that list.

You could build from scratch for cheaper tho
and you would get a better build

Hey guys, I had a Kraken, and I regret getting rid of it cause it was just so damn reliable. After thinking about it now, that gun is totally untouchable in reguards for quality/reliablility for the price. My nephew bought it, now it's 2 years old, it's had probably 40k bb's through it and still works great.

I have half a mind to buy another one and Sell my JG M4-S System. Then just upgrade to metal body, wood kit, tightbore, and better cyclinder. run a 9.6v battery in there and it's a damn good gun. It's better than my JG I can say that much and it's half the price.

No you see.. What I did there.. I was talking about an actual BMW and an actual festiva.. no metaphorical speech there at all..

Edit: If you're age verified I can get you a kraken :)

These things are actually decent platforms if you're willing to invest 400 dollars... For 400 dollars you get a fully upgraded full wood and full metal kraken..

Just from what I've ready on the Kraken, I think it's a worthwhile gun. It's available for under $200, performs well, and it completely TM compatible. Now, how reliable it is doesn't really seem to be an issue. From every review I've read, it seems to hold up quite well considering the price. The battery is crap and aesthetics substandard, but otherwise, the gun seems to shoot well according to reviews of it. A lot of people are screaming that it's unreliable, but none of those people seem to actually own the gun in question either.

Now, I can see this being appealing to 2 different types of people. First, there's the noobs. They don't want to spend $500+ on a gun for a sport they know nothing about. Maybe they just want a gun to plink in their basement with. Perhaps they want to try playing airsoft and want a good starter gun to use rather than paying tons of bucks for a big brand name only to not like the game and now use it. You gotta start somewhere. When you want to learn guitar, do you automatically buy a $2000 guitar and a $3000 amp? Of course not. Why would they need to buy an expensive brand name gun to start off with? While there's something to be said about buying good quality, not everyone wants to spend that kind of money on a new toy.

The second type of people this gun appeals to is the tinkerer / tweaker on a budget. You can buy a TM AK for $550, and then get a battery, upgrade its internals to get better performance than the weak 280 fps they come at stock. So by the time you have a new spring, new bushings, etc installed to beef the TM's power to 350-ish fps, chances are you've poured at least another $50-75 into it. And you still have a plastic gun. Yes, it looks good and real, but it's still plastic. For less than that, you can fully upgrade the Kraken to be every bit as good and reliable as the TM, AND have it externally upgraded to metal and wood. To me, that's a no-brainer if you know what you're doing.

Essentially, you ARE building a new gun when you uprade a Kraken in this fashion. You pretty much remove all the questionable and undesirable parts on the gun, and salvage the useable parts - cheaper than buying the parts from scratch. Plus, you get the added advantage of being able to upgrade your gun bit by bit, if you don't have the money to upgrade everything at once.

Personally, I'd be in this second group if I didn't have that RS Type 56 on the way. I think it's a good way to get a great AK without spending a whole lot of money.

And I should add that I went with TM as my first real AEG also based on everyone's claims of quality, they never break down, etc. I had my brand new TM M4A1 for about a month and had fired about 10 000 rounds out of it, and I had my spur gear blow out. I had put at least triple that many through a cheapo Double Eagle AK47 without a problem, and really abused the AK47 with full auto fire and dry firing. I went very easy on the M4, yet it broke down easily.

lol. do...this is what i can make out of all this stuff you guys are posting,

upgrading a kraken is like building an AK from scratch?

In a nutshell, that's pretty much it dude. And the end product is an all metal and wood AK that's nicer, performs better, and is just as reliable as a stock TM AK47, only for less money.

Way I see it and exactly what I'm currently doing:

If I were to buy a TM AK, I would upgrade it internally, and I would upgrade it to metal and wood.

A TM AK is close to 600 dollars new... and I'd be scrapping the body and the plasti-wood.

The Kraken is 200 dollars and I'd be putting the exact same parts into it as the TM... The only difference is that with a TM you wouldn't NEED a new hopup... But I'm a fan of prowin hopups, So I'd personally throw a new one in.

my only woe about the kraken is the furniture is made out of the shittiest plastic I've ever felt.

Other than that, It's a perfect upgrade platform.