Fair enough Brian, you are quite right in that respect, when I go from my AUG to a PTW they both feel real, but going from a M4 to a PTW there is a major difference

TM did a good job on the AUG.. just not heavy enough...

Ha ha ha, I tried ordering an M4 through Mark back in August, got a short response back:


McGuyver, how do you find the M16A3?

At least with PTW's (as with most armalites) swapping out the top receiver, cylinder, and barrel is like getting a whole new gun and set-up.

(put my order in for the M16A3 MAX Burst, but I am in the Airport so slightly wary of doing up my EMT).

-Daes

Is it really worth it to pay an extra $1000.00 Systema PTW M733 MAX?

What in the world... Systema magazine's are 599.99 for a pack of 6? I seen them on the site just a little while ago for about 269.99 for a pack of 6. 68rds a mag.Oh wait those are 120rds mags but really whos going pay that much for 6 mags....

The same guys who buy PTW's.

if some china company made cheap Systema mags they could make a fuckin' killing.

My M16A3 is a Gen 1, so it's performance is nowhere near that of a new MAX gun. But, the basic platform is there and I can bring it up to Gen 3 standards for less than $300 or up to MAX standards for about $300 more. I can also make it semi-auto only, or burst with no extra expense involved (once upgraded to Gen 3 level), so with a custom 6.01mm barrel I could use the M150 at most fields in semi-auto and have a good gun for single-shit kills or perhaps double-taps.

Im sure Huang is hard at work

One reason the mags are so expensive is that Systema insists on using real mag shells for their PTW. This is one reason that the MP5 was delayed. H&K wouldn't authorize their use for an airsoft gun.

they sell the mag for 250$ us for a box of 6 there:

http://www.thewarstore.org/Systema_PTW.html

I'm not going to lie that I don't want one really really bad, but are they really worth it for the majority of the airsofters in Canada?

I view the PTW as a gun for those that ether : 1. Have horrible fracking luck with guns (=D). or 2. Those who know exactly what makes airsoft fun for them and are going to build it to suit there style of play.

Being said, I unfortunatly don't fall into ether, so I'm not going to spend the 4K needed to get everything I would want for it... Not to mention all the RS parts I would be getting.

I don't think the MP5 will be coming out anytime soon .. But who knows? ... I sure as hell haven't seen any new updates from the Systema rep.

Is the MP5 still being used by LE/MIL? I know that may seem like a dumb question to some, but there are soo many new, and more effective weapon systems out..

There was a bunch of photos floating around with HSS int. instructors teaching with MP5's. So if the biggest LE training school in the world is still using them, probably some agency is using them as well.

After shooting a real MP5 in full auto and shooting an M4 full auto, I can tell you I'll take the M4 any day of the week. The MP5 has just as much recoil and the front end is much lighter than the M4. This caused too much muzzle rise for my liking and I found it hard to place shots, even with small bursts. The M4 experienced little muzzle rise and I had way better shot placement.

I'm sure there are still lots of organizations that use the MP5. I just have no idea why. Perhaps 20 years ago the MP5 was innovative and agencies bought them and now have no reason (or money) to replace them?

If you want to shoot one as a civilian, go to Vegas. You can shoot them all.