Flakers a Rant by ex
 

This is a Rant, it will be brief and to the point.

1. Before committing to buy anything do your research! Find out if you're willing to pay what your committing to.

2. DO NOT Commit to buy if you do not intend to buy it or if you think you might have second thoughts.

3. DO NOT Commit to buy if you are just going to ask for extensions and substitutions in your deal if you are just going to flake in the end anyway.

4. DO NOT waste my fucking time. IF you want it buy it,I will be as flexible and accommodating as possible. If not fuck off and have a nice day. Again don't waste my time and yours.

5. DO NOT act offended when I question you about why you are flaking. I have a right to be pissed. You snuck a quick one in and didn't give me a reach around.

6. Refer back to #4

/rant

Never really got the whole 'bug someone about buying something, then fuck off and not buy it' deal. If I see something that interests me, i'll sit there for a little while asking myself "Do I really want this? Is this what I'm looking for? Is this what I need currently for my build/rig/pile in the corner?" Then I'll send the person a PM saying I'll definitely buy it...and then buy it!

Could understand if you settled on a deal, and then suddenly Oh no! I've been robbed have no cash. But stuff like "Yea, I know I said I'd buy it, but now I don't want to" is kinda bullshit.

ASC buy and sell is not a place to window shop nor are the ad's contained herein for your leasure. they are to facilitate the sale and trade of the tools of our sport, treat the buyers and sellers with respect but above all remember we are not businesses and as such we are not here to fluff every potential sale. If you have the money availiable and you wish to buy something say something.

For the sake of courtesy try to limit your questions to..

1. If make or manufacturer is not specified you may ask. Check carefully before you ask.

2. If pictures are not present and the seller has not indicated that the item is new in box (or NIB). You may ask the seller for pictures, they might not be available, if they are not you may exercise your right to move on. Do not press the issue not everyone has digital cameras.

3. If shipping costs are not specified. You may ask the seller what the shipping costs may be or if they are included with the sale price.

4. If the seller has indicated the product is "upgraded". You may ask if they are aware of the upgrades present and whom performed them.

If your not familiar with a particular make, do your own research before contacting the seller.


These are just my opinions.

also, it's very important to know who you are dealing with, some guys are more flexible with regards to wait times etc. and some aren't

establishing this early on is important.

Another good point is, if someone is on the fence or "doesn't have the funds right at this moment" but wants you to hold it for X amount of time, you could ask them for a deposit of $20, $50, etc. Just both understand that it's a non-refundable deposit or there would be no point in it.

I have done that, great motivation for them to pay up. If they don't, heh 'extra money'.

Goddamn bro, what rock did you crawl out from under?

But +1 on your thoughts. I agree.

I'm pretty sure that the buy and sell is all about window shopping. I mean look at the number of views each thread has and that shows you that it is window shopping.

I agree with Ex though, don't waste people's time if you're not sure on the buy.

It's one thing to look in the window and move on.

It's another to look in the window, go in and bug the hell out of the guys working in the store, and then leave without buying so much as a pencil.

I got "bugged" every day for a few from a guy wanting to sell me his shotgun stock, I decided to and paid for it (EMT, cashed) last Wed. PMs got quiet after that and I had to ask him eariler this week if he sent it yet, said he hadn't but would Monday morning and would send me the tracking number. Still waiting......... no big deal so far, season hasn't started for me yet, but still, updates would be nice to say he's been busy or something.

that's funny because even if you write 'no trades' and 'price firm' in BIG letters you still get lowballers and traders ;)

I don't get pissed off at people, but it's because I've gotten used to flakers and retarded people in general, they have a way to make themselves obvious in the way they write, so I usually 'quarantine' them right away...

I don't mind people offering trades or alternate prices. I will haggle and I will hold things for you, its all part of the game. BUT the second you pull a fast one and bail on the deal and give me some lame excuse like " I got burned on a previous deal" shit after you committed to buy from me and then basically call me a potential scammer..be very careful.

seriously? this is unacceptable and very rude: it's when the stuff is payed for that the seller is absolutely required to send, fast and clean, no delay.
Any delay after the stuff is payed is to be rewarded with at least neutral rating.

Heh, I order things online all the time. I haven't ordered anything from anyone on ASC yet but normally I find I get notice from a seller 3-5 days after I paid for it, especially if I ordered it just before a weekend. After that and I get the notification, after a week I usually start worrying about the shipment if I dont get any word in, after 2 weeks then I start sending messages to the seller asking what the hell is going on.

But yeah I hate sellers that take a while to respond to your messages. I understand that people are busy and they have their own lives to live, but when you've paid for something, getting back to you and sending the item becomes a part of that persons "busy" life.

Ex I feel bad for you lol. Having someone go back on a deal sucks, having them make up a lame excuse sucks more, but then having the nerve to call you a scammer afterwards is just rude and pushing it.

On the whole window shopping point though. When I see an item that I like often I'll ask the buyer a question or 2 about the item and tell them straight up that I am just looking for more information on their item before I make a decision. And then based on what they respond with I may or may not go through with the purchase. Some say this is wrong because it's a tease, that you're just window shopping. In the end though it's my money until I say, yes I'd like to purchase the item. Buying something online without looking into it first is just stupid, most sellers are trust worthy but their are a few who try and slip a fast one by selling what they dont advertise. All of that can be taken care of however without being rude or causing ill feelings towards the other person.

I don't get these flakers either. Either buy, or don't. If you need more info on something, then most sellers will be more than happy to fill in the blanks. But in my eyes, as soon as you commit to buying something, whether the money has been sent or not, it's a sealed deal. At that point, you pay up. It's how I do it, and I expect the same from anyone buying from me. And I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that. I maintain an impeccable trader rating and intend to keep it that way.

Relax there Mr. Scam Artist! :D

When buying and selling on ASC, I treat it with the same honor as I do airsoft, when on the field.

Interactions on the forum and the faceless void called the internet still reflect how honorable you are in the real world. It's easy to fuck someone or dick them around on the net, but I truely beleive these same people would do it in the real world in a face to face deal if the very real threat of a bitch slap wasn't there.

I bought an airbrush off of EX once, by the time I had a chance to pick it up, things were a little tight, did I bail? No. Why? Because I gave my word, my bond. I feel alot of younger guys will not understand what I just said, because they have not been taught about "the handshake". I was taught when you shake on, or verbaly (now today digitally) agree to something, your character, your dignity, and your honor are now linked to "the deal" and you are commited to seeing that deal through at all reasonable costs to maintain face.

Oh....and I know how you feel EX.

Ya, seriously. Not gonna light a fire under his ass just yet, but updates would be nice, even just updates to say there is a delay. I asked for the tracking number (for obvious reasons) mainly due to the fact I spend 90% of my time at my gf's house on the other side of town, and my house is 15mins drive from my work, so I'd like a heads up on when I should go pick up the package at the PO, then head home, grab my shottie and assemble/try it at my gf's place. :D

Uh... what happened to the post someone did before CDN_Stalker's last post? Hope somoene didn't just get silenced, it was a good post.

It was Tys (can never remember his M###### name), I glanced over it but obviously it didn't register in my head, don't remember much about it other than he was a seller. Maybe he decided to delete it on his own?

I guess lol. I can't remember his name either, too many numbers. I do that sometimes too, rant or counter rant, spend like 10 minutes responding to something and it ends up being like a page long, then read over it and realize that was enough, you just had to put it into words to get it out and then delete it cause you dont care if others see it or not.:rolleyes:

Why? I didn't get scammed, or flaked on... I think you meant someone else.

You sir are correct! :rolleyes: I meant Ex lol going back to edit that post now!

Eh sometimes just typing out what you feel helps people to vent. No need for others to read into your rant eh m102404?

lol nah only on here where I get to think about responses. in person my answers are nothing like that

I thought this was common sense? Ugh, some people need to be slapped in the mouth.

i agree about the handshake and its responsibilities, but i must say that everyone i personally have dealt with has been great. good bunch in general on asc.

I just put another 5000$ block of guns, gear and stuff in the classifieds, already I'm attracting idiots.

To date, the worst I got was a guy that was asking questions about a gun, how to upgrade it, wanted photos of specific internal components then decided to buy it from the states... GRRRRR!

I agree with you on that one. Being young myself, I deal often with people of the same age and it is a truth.

In my opinion, respect to others is the reflect of self-respect.

Not just that, but also upbringing and the fact that respect and manners is simply an old fashioned thing that is for old people, not the youth of today with all the entitlements they seem to feel due to politically correctedness in the schools, etc.

I agree with the posts above.
I am VERY friendly with people who wants to buy my stuff or with people I want to buy there stuff, Its common sense.

Like others said, if you are being an ass over a PM or email or msn when you ask some questions, you probably are an ass. And people here, I believe, don't want to deal with assholes. When I PM someone about something I want, I am waiting for a kindly and friendly answer. And I am sure the other Users when they PM someone, they feel the same. Just the matter that the person would pm me back with a rude attitude or something like that, I wont buy from him. Simple as that.


Flaking..
Are you fucking serious? If there is something I can't stand is Flaking.
Lets leave it there...

LowBalers...
Why but WHY? I don't mean for example: the price is 70$ + shipping and you offer 65$shipped (a small and not heavy Item) That's a fair deal.

Example 2: The price is 450$ + shipping and you get an offer for 300$ shipped ... Now THAT'S ridiculous.

My little rant\

Your welcome to do that. you really are. And Having worked in professional sales for many years I completely understand your right to do so as a consumer.

Its also your obligation as a member of the ASC community to not be a douche and not treat its members as your personal shoppers. Show some respect thats all we are asking. Only ask questions if you have a vested interest. Period

Go figure, am still waiting! Got sent a PM last Thursday saying he's been busy but will send the shotgun stock soon and give me a tracking number........ as of tomorrow it's been two weeks since I paid for it.