Good NBB Guns
 

I have been hunting for a good NBB Gun (something that will accept a silencer) for those stealth missions :)

So far the MK23 looks pretty cool, the MK1 isnt really my style but has potential

haven't found much else... what other NBBS are there?

Im going to have to put my money in with the Tokyo Marui NBB MK23.
I dont have anything else to suggest.

TM MK23 is a really nice gun. Silent. But the mag release gets tripped WAY too easily in a holster etc, and then you lose your mag.

I still love the look of the gun, so far they seem pretty pricey even used.. around 300, when u can buy one for 350 new.. is there any other recommendations? Hard to find NBB's aside from the co2's (which might be an all right option if they shoot far/straight enough) do they accept silencers at all?

$300 isn't pricey for a TM. That's pretty standard.

True but for 50$ more almost worth just getting it new :)

Is that the only nbb tm makes?

kjw mk1. amazing gun for 100$

Go for the TM Mk23. They'll never find you.

Mk23

ive killed over 20 with this thing in only a number of games. Pistol rounds were even more of a domination. The accuracy + silencing ability = wow.

i wish i never sold it, in fact, im looking to buy another one soon because I miss it so much.

MK23. I've BEEN killed by one a few times... never had a clue of where the shot came from, i.e. quiet as ... yeah. Super accurate sidearm as well. Probably great on gas due to the NBB design.

Win-win-win situation. Get it. I know would if I had a need for a hand-cannon-replica that doesn't kick at all, lol.

hfc makes alot of nbbs, I dont think any of them take silencers though. Check redwolf.


*edit, Just remembered theres a m712 nbb pretty cool. Long and flush mags available!

How often do you guys actually use handguns? You would have to be pretty sneaky to take someone out with one when they have an aeg :P


Would be a fun challenge though !

I use my TM Hicapa as a primary in indoor games, and have gotten a LOT of kills in outdoor games when I had to transition because my primary was empty and I had an immediate threat, or needed a smaller gun.

I have never actually done indoor, would be fun to one day though! mainly outdoors in my area

I've often said this about pistols:

'If you don't find an opportunity to use one during a game, you weren't looking for one'

pistols are great for crawling around corners with to give yourself a chance to get the shot off before a aeg could, also lets say your playing milsim and you need to go back to the ammo dump for more ammo for the aeg its kinda helpfull to have soemthing to fire off incase your being shot at. Pistols arent heavy and they can come out quickly ready to go. also if your in the minimum engagement area they could be the choice. back to thread, the tm mk23 as said before looks promising and why not buy it new, since you see that it doesn't lose its value then if you dont like it sell it.

Is it possible to add a silencer to the MK1

Between the MK23 and MK1 whats a better pistol...

MK23 by 10000x.

haha its really that good?

I was watching you tube videos trying to see how quiet the mk23 really was silenced but its still kind of hard to tell when they compare it to other guns.. Is it feasible to carry around a silencer and screw it on when someone is close.. or do you have a nice loooong holster for it? It does look like a sweet gun, just need to mod the lam to use an actual light and laser :)

It is really that good :P. I used to have one. It is ridiculously quiet. Seriously. It is the quietest airsoft gun out there imo. I screwed it on while people were close.. Theres holsters made specifically for the MK23 (I had one made by Milspex). It had a pouch for the silencer, so it was perfect.

But even without the silencer it was still way quieter than 95% of other airsoft guns.

Easy mods. Theres tons of space inside the LAM.

Awesome sounds good, hopefully will have one soon.. Does the silencer make a "big difference" or mainly diffuse the pop? is there any type of replacement inner material to make it quieter? It would be a nice sidearm to pick of enemies in close coders without giving away your cover. (main goal!)

I think the MK1 shoots a little hot too, especially for a sidearm.

I would assume it does due to most of the noise from the gun coming out of the barrel, you can just use a cheap holster if you want 1 of the Swiss arms from army surplus and the silencer will just poke out the bottom slightly- I have 1 from awhile back and I know the bottom has enough room to fit a silencer through it comfortably. I am not sure about screwing a silencer on when you need it, you need 2 hands for that- could take time that you dont have assuming you drew your sidearm due to being out of ammo or in need of killing somone silently quickly.

The MK1 has some pretty good reviews and its super cheap! 100$ Now the main problem is it doent have silencer threads so some custom work would have to be done there.. but I wonder if it would be quiet with a diy silencer or a foam filled one and some type of custom thread adapter...

TM MK23 case closed
silent and accurate and effective.

the mk1 is cool but the fps is quite high and mag release is odd.

The Mk1 can get close to 400 fps ive heard around, since a few here at Op-for have them. Thats WAY too high for any sidearm.

Besides, the Mk23 socom wins hands down. Soooo silent, ive heard it in person. You literally cant hear it from around 5-10 feet away. Only downside, a long trigger pull. But this can be partially remedied by pulling the hammer back first.

haha MK23 has a huge fan base here!

Im not really worried about the fps since it will be more long range not so much close combat.. more for picking of a group when not to give away cover otherwise ill stick to aeg.. but for 2.5 times the price still mk23? It isss a sexy gun.. so far those two have been the best options i have found more nbbs but not much within canada..

Long range? Thats what an AEG is for, sidearms are for CQC.

That's like saying your driving to your neighbors, and walking 15km downtown.

Mk23, you wont be dissapointed.

I know it's been said a billion times, but I'll personally vouch for the Mk. 23 too. It's just too great to be passed up as a NBB gun, I can't think of anything else that surpasses it in terms of its quietness. I'd say if you're really gunnin for stealth, dish out the extra money and get a solid, silent performer aka the Mk. 23.

Also, to further answer your question about the usefulness of the silencer, it does make a difference. Not a whole lot, but mostly the difference is that without the silencer, it sounds like a fairly high-pitched popping nose, kind of like when you're popping the top of a metal bottle cap but louder. With the silencer on, it's the same sort of sound but minus the really high pitches, making it harder to hear (lower pitch sounds are harder to perceive over distance than higher pitch sounds).

haha well it sounds like it most likely will be mk23

Prime situation, I took out a few guys and was crawling towards the flag, saw 2 guys about 60-80' away but didnt want to use aeg incase i missed one then my cover would be blown (not worth the risk when 20' from the flag) so i let them pass then carried closer.. ) how ever with a long range silent gun if i could pick them off without giving up my cover it would be prime! aka why 400 fps isnt a big deal if they are 60-80' away

also the addition of a silencer gives you the option of adding a longer inner barrel (had a VSR tight bore chopped to length)

The MK23 shoots farther than stock AEG's.

With the VSR barrel did you chop it to the length of the silencer or about how far? Part of the goal is to still keep it quiet.... would say going half way through the silencer still keep it silenced?

i had it full length, it was louder but thats what the other barrel was for when i wanted stealth.

Im referring in general, most players do not buy pistols hoping to outrange AEG's. They are mostly used when your primary is either down, or is too big.

How hard is it to swap barrels lol?

Also will any vsr tight bore fit on it or are there any other modifications needed?
If i get it i may just chop one to about half the length of the silencer to still get the silencing action out of it..

Will a silencer work better if there are more chambers rather than straight foam (foam ring space ring spwaceect)

Yes and we're not talking about "other pistols", we're talking about the MK23.

Most airsoft silencers/supressors are just foam filled.

Would a shorter one be just as effective on the mk23 in terms of sound suppression or does it need the full length to get the best suppression

shorter silencers look retarded on a mk23
you have to use the original one its just better

haha fair enough, ok last Q on it.. (for now) if i did an extended barrel say 1/3-1/2 down the silencer would it be much louder then stock/silencer? or for all intensive purposes the same

also will any vsr barrel work for the mk23?

What weight of bbs/type of gas do you guys run in it...

Very true, the included one just looks plain awesome.

And like I said before, the silencer doesn't make a HUGE difference in sound. The gun isn't even loud to begin with because it has no blow back.

Best thing to do? Buy one, try it out yourself. I'm sure someone's said that before already too. Don't worry, you'll like it..it's awesome.

EDIT:
Didn't see your last post but as for the inner barrel only going 1/3 or 1/2 down the silencer, it shouldn't make a huge difference. You're barely going to be able to tell if at all.. and the guys 20 feet downrange from you? Definitely won't hear it.

As for the VSR-10 barrels, I dunno.

yes the vsr barrel works, i had one.
it may reduce it but i cannot say for certain as I had not done it

Gotchya, better accuracy is always a plus.. do you guys use propane or green gas or?

Also .25 .28 .3 what works best in them

mk23 = duster/green gas
unless the mags have been modded

as for weight i ran .25s and .28's

Green gas with .25s are pretty good

Ill proballoy modify for propane due to the fact that its 5$ for a can instead of 15-20$

Also the gun im getting has a "leaking mag" im assuming its from running propane without glueing the release valve.. think this is a good bet?

check the seals. see if the 3rd retarded mag pin was drilled then gasket sealant was used.

I dont have it yet but will do, if it hasn't been done I will try it and hopefully it will work.. atleast until i can order some others

Green gas IS propane. And yeah use propane.

Use the heaviest weight you can for GBB's, generally 0.28's.

yeah but the mk23 is odd, and doesnt like the higher pressure. so duster has to be used unless the mags are modded

Ok just ordered my MK23 so hopefully i can fix the mag if not ill just order 2 Y&P

Question for anyone who "upgraded" the stock LAM.. what size mm is the Red LED hole 5mm? I want to order a laser diode to upgrade it.. as well as if anyone can tell me how many mm diameter the flashlight whole is.. aka white led.. Thanks again!

The only place i can find Y&P Mags that Will ship to canada is Evike, which has tuns of bad reviews so its a last resort.. has anyone found a good source for Y&P/STTI mags within canada or someone better to deal with outside of canada?

The Tm socom mk23 is what gave me the pistol rep I have today. If you cant find the mags you desire just repair the ones you have. After I repaired mine ( thanks still go to "ibby" for the original repair idea ) I was able to get 150bbs with one mag charge of green gas. No joke,I actually counted. I was also able to use the socom in ANY weather,one time at Bigfoot it was so cold the mags had frost on them and I was still getting kills! I would recomend staying with green gas mostly because this pistol is cheap to run and you can easily carry a can of green gas in a pouch. Also,dont mod the lam unit bulb,In my original lam unit I swapped out the white led for a blue one and was virtually undetectable by other players until it was to late. The lam unit is designed to give off low light to help you get where you are going without totally ruining your night vision or give you away.

My two cents.

Good call withthe lam, maybe i wont swap in a super bright flash light!

As for mags im only getting one leaky one with the gun which i will try and fix, the holster i ordered holds 2 spares, so it would be nice to order them.. just trying to find some propane ready mags so i dont have to hack/mod brand new ones :)

Good call with the lam, maybe i wont swap in a super bright flash light!

As for mags im only getting one leaky one with the gun which i will try and fix, the holster i ordered holds 2 spares, so it would be nice to order them.. just trying to find some propane ready mags so i dont have to hack/mod brand new ones :)