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highny April 19th, 2010 01:07

Play style of a SAW.
 
Hey there,

My buddy and I are planning on getting two saw for some skimish/simple battle.

My question is, what kind of play style do saw user see?...

Like for example, I read some stuff about sniper's play style, it's fill with crawling on all 4, through mud, sometime worse...

Just give me a piece of your mind. Looking forward in hearing from you all!

teriases April 19th, 2010 01:19

SAW.. you mean the SAW Machine gun?

I think pretty much any gun can be a sniper in airsoft, since there's not much recoil, and with a bi-pod and scope u can do pretty well. But it would be kinda silly to snipe with a Machine gun. :)

But then again I have thoughts about building a UMP sniper version... hahah.. :)

That's why airsoft is fun I guess, you can build and play it how u like. Just my 2 cents.

scurvythepirate April 19th, 2010 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by teriases (Post 1214904)
SAW.. you mean the SAW Machine gun?

I think pretty much any gun can be a sniper in airsoft, since there's not much recoil, and with a bi-pod and scope u can do pretty well. But it would be kinda silly to snipe with a Machine gun. :)

But then again I have thoughts about building a UMP sniper version... hahah.. :)

That's why airsoft is fun I guess, you can build and play it how u like. Just my 2 cents.

WTF were you reading? HE was wondering what the play style of a LMG'er was, not converting a SAW into a Sniper Rifle. Read it next time before you make comments.

Daiviet April 19th, 2010 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by teriases (Post 1214904)
saw.. You mean the saw machine gun?

I think pretty much any gun can be a sniper in airsoft, since there's not much recoil, and with a bi-pod and scope u can do pretty well. But it would be kinda silly to snipe with a machine gun. :)

but then again i have thoughts about building a ump sniper version... Hahah.. :)

that's why airsoft is fun i guess, you can build and play it how u like. Just my 2 cents.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scurvythepirate (Post 1214910)
wtf were you reading? He was wondering what the play style of a lmg'er was, not converting a saw into a sniper rifle. Read it next time before you make comments.


HAHAHAHAHAHa

[SIK] PiƩr April 19th, 2010 01:32

Supressing fire.

highny April 19th, 2010 01:33

Very helpful....?...?...

Still looking for more tips :)

Rugger_can April 19th, 2010 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daiviet (Post 1214913)
HAHAHAHAHAHa

+1


And SAW gunners usually fill the squad support role, they provide covering fire to allow the rest of the squad to maneuver safely. Usually you will be following a squad and expending a fair bit of bb's.

Be warned SAW gunners can blow alot of money on ammo and frankly the start up cost for the actual AEG's in terms of those types of airsoft are higher (sometimes topping a grand just for the aeg).

Good luck and I hope this helps.

Ps. I suggest you hit up a local game and see what its all about and get age verified.

Cheers.

highny April 19th, 2010 01:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1214917)
Ps. I suggest you hit up a local game and see what its all about and get age verified.

I am age verified....
I've been playing for about a good 8 months now, and been to 2 big outdoor game(80+ players), 4 small game(30-40 players) and yet I've only had a glimpse of 1 saw...

But thanks anyways...

Danke April 19th, 2010 01:49

They are not much fun to carry all day.

If no one around has one you don't really need one. If you're facing another team with SAWs thouigh they sure are handy to have.

ThunderCactus April 19th, 2010 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1214917)
+1
Be warned SAW gunners can blow alot of money on ammo and frankly the start up cost for the actual AEG's in terms of those types of airsoft are higher (sometimes topping a grand just for the aeg).

PLUS. ONE.

And tell him to start working out, well... those sissy CA249 don't weigh any more than my M4, but my G&P 249 is a beast! You need to work out to carry it all day.
And I applaud anyone with a 15kg M60, those guys are hardcore....assuming they use it lol

highny April 19th, 2010 02:09

Carrying it isn't going to be much of an issue, I consider it as working out :)

I know Ammo will be costly, but considering how much I shoot, I don't think it'll make much difference. Beside, I'm not planning on using high quality bbs.

Here's what I don't like to do, maybe you guys could guild me into fitting a better weapon category.

I hate to get on my belly(bug issue and allergy).
I enjoy shooting, keeping others head down. Cover fire you say? I'm on it!
Have gun's that's not common, like m4/m16s.... And I hate AKs...
I like defending a base, but I also enjoy staying near the back of the group(after eating a few bbs and catching a few on my cheek, no thank you!).

That's about it.

PS: why does saw cost so much more than a average AEG? Isn't a saw just like an AEG but with a drum mag?...

ThunderCactus April 19th, 2010 02:20

Bigger gun, more money, more shooting means you need better parts, means you HAVE to upgrade it.
As a 249 gunner:
1) I never go prone unless im on top of a hill
2) It's rare that I sit back and defend
3) It's rare that I sit back
4) I'm typically the one pushing the assault forward

Really depends on your squad tactics. An LMG can be a very static thing, or like in my case, it can be very mobile firepower.
However it's difficult to employ a static 249 without squad support.

My 249's fully upgraded minues a tightbore, shoots DAMN far, and I'm always on the front, and always racking up kills lol

ShelledPants April 19th, 2010 02:31

Kick door. Spray figure eight. Clear. Repeat.

This is SAW CQB.

highny April 19th, 2010 02:36

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1214940)
My 249's fully upgraded minues a tightbore, shoots DAMN far, and I'm always on the front, and always racking up kills lol

That sounds like a ton of fun! It's not that I sit back all the time, it's more like, after a fire fight, we think they retreat, but not 100% sure. That's when I stay back, but when there is a fire fight, I stay up there and shoot like grabbing two hand full of bbs and throwing them out like a semi m203.

How much money did you put into that 249?. And what is it's range?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShelledPants (Post 1214948)
Kick door. Spray figure eight. Clear. Repeat.

This is SAW CQB.

I like that. Do that with a laud laugh "MUHAHAHAHAHA!!"

Priceless....

KND April 19th, 2010 02:43

You should probably lend or borrow a M249 or other light machine gun to try out at the game and if it's working for you before invest on them.

I tried 3 time with 3 different SAW and none of them working for me.

Styrak April 19th, 2010 02:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1214932)
Beside, I'm not planning on using high quality bbs.

I would recommend against that. Unless you want to be fixing your gun and replacing your hopup and/or barrel a lot.

Gato April 19th, 2010 03:27

Carrying the bitch is half the fun to be honest, the times I've had a C6 or C9 and I see the other guys with the C7s...... it's a good feeling :P

That was back on Sq though, I don't think I've carried a bitch since then :(

Castle April 19th, 2010 03:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny
Have gun's that's not common, like m4/m16s.... And I hate AKs...

Aren't M4's/Armalite style guns pretty much the most common airsoft gun style?

Rock 'N' Roll Outlaw April 19th, 2010 07:52

He meant he doesn't like common guns like armalites, as in such as. Not like as in shows affection towards.

L473ncy April 19th, 2010 10:53

SAW Gunner tactics (from video games) appears to be short bursts of fire to keep enemies down so the squad can advance safely. A DMR or sniper can do this as well just by giving slow accurate fire to let the enemy know that there's accurate fire coming their way. Either way the goal is to keep them down so you can rush in and eliminate the enemy team if they're holed up somewhere or if they're advancing on a hill/bunker.

Crunchmeister April 19th, 2010 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1214932)
Beside, I'm not planning on using high quality bbs.

Bad idea for many, many reasons, some of them already pointed out. But one that wasn't - for the same price as a pack of crappy BBs, you can actually get high quality BB Bastards BBs... So why you would want to use shit BBs to potentially damage your gun is beyond me.

And look at it this way - if you want to get into the support gunner role, expending BBs is part of the job. Investing in a SAW and not wanting to spend money of BBs like investing in a Lamborghini but not wanting the fuel costs associated with it.

highny April 19th, 2010 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 1214964)
I would recommend against that. Unless you want to be fixing your gun and replacing your hopup and/or barrel a lot.

Really? Even though it shoots like 325 fps? With a stock barrel, the damage will still affect it? I believe the hop up will give up pretty quickly, but it seems like a cheap replacement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 1215059)
for the same price as a pack of crappy BBs, you can actually get high quality BB Bastards BBs... So why you would want to use shit BBs to potentially damage your gun is beyond me.

Can't find any local dealer who sells large amount of good quality bbs. Once I'm using is metal tech, and it's 20 bucks for 3000... But with 8 bucks, I can get 2500 none polish bbs, and 10 bucks for 5000 bio bbs... Cure, it's just a bit more for higher quality, but shipping is going to kill me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 1215059)
like investing in a Lamborghini but not wanting the fuel costs associated with it.

If you can relate a saw to a Lamborghini then I really REALLY want one! Haha. And isn't a part oh owning an expensive car is to show off most of the time?

GBear April 19th, 2010 11:30

Since he is relating a SAW to a Lambo, you NEED to get high quality BBs.

Just my opinion, go out to an event and empty out the BB Bastard of their BBs. Horde the BBs and stash up! :) That way, you don't need to pay for shipping.

Amos April 19th, 2010 11:31

BB jams in full auto only guns are not a pretty thing

GSK88 April 19th, 2010 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1215066)
Really? Even though it shoots like 325 fps? With a stock barrel, the damage will still affect it? I believe the hop up will give up pretty quickly, but it seems like a cheap replacement.



Can't find any local dealer who sells large amount of good quality bbs. Once I'm using is metal tech, and it's 20 bucks for 3000... But with 8 bucks, I can get 2500 none polish bbs, and 10 bucks for 5000 bio bbs... Cure, it's just a bit more for higher quality, but shipping is going to kill me.



If you can relate a saw to a Lamborghini then I really REALLY want one! Haha. And isn't a part oh owning an expensive car is to show off most of the time?

And just like 90% of high end cars these days, they won't start without premium fuel....

Apply that analogy to airsoft for BBs. As you mentioned some hop ups etc are cheap to replace, but why not just not have to replace them at all by spending the few extra dollars and getting bastards?

Crunchmeister April 19th, 2010 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1215066)
Can't find any local dealer who sells large amount of good quality bbs. Once I'm using is metal tech, and it's 20 bucks for 3000... But with 8 bucks, I can get 2500 none polish bbs, and 10 bucks for 5000 bio bbs... Cure, it's just a bit more for higher quality, but shipping is going to kill me.

Out west, Metal Tech are the prominent brand of BBs. They're everywhere. And they're top quality BBs. I used them and would recommend them to anyone.

However, you could just ORDER BB Bastards. They're top quality BBs (many would argue the best available in Canada) and cost $10 for a bag of 2000.

And the velocity of your gun has no bearing. Cheap BBs will damage your hopup and leave residue inside your barrel, even possibly damaging the inner barrel. Also cheap, unpolished BBs don't have consistent sizing. That means they affect your accuracy, as they don't all leave the barrel at the same velocity and with the same amount of hop, They can potentially jam your barrel too. Jams can actually lead to internal mechbox damage - anything from a damaged nozzle to blowing out pistons and / or gears because of overpressure in the barrel preventing the piston from being able to return to battery. It's not a pretty thing.

When you take all into consideration, the small amount you initially save by using cheapo BBs can very quickly surpassed several times over in repairs to your gun. And this goes for ANY gun, not just a SAW.

R.I.T.Z April 19th, 2010 12:01

SAW gunners
used as support for squad/team to move forward
used to defend objectives
usually on the ass end of a patrol
carries a fuck tonne of ammo
carries a damn heavy gun for long periods of time
needs to be able to sprint and keep up with his squad/team
Squad Automatic Weapon is a support weapon, it can be used on the assault alone(i've seen it done) but in a squad/team role it is purely support you are tasked with constant fire at the enemy to suppress them. not much more.

Dirty Deeds April 19th, 2010 12:16

I LOVE CARRYING "THE BITCH"!

Believe me you can have ALOT of fun with an LMG. I wouldn't suggest it for your first gun, but definetly your second.

highny April 19th, 2010 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty Deeds (Post 1215088)
I wouldn't suggest it for your first gun, but definetly your second.

Well, it's not my first gun, but it is my first serious gun. Other were like JG sig, ICS m4(which I totally toss away like $300 worth of screwing up on an upgrade project), and a couple of pistol.

I was thinking of playing sniping, but considering the field we play on, I get about 20-50 feet of clear view then bushes. Also after reading their play style, that change my mind completely.

I've been thinking, what's the different between a LMG and a upgraded(towards ROF) m15/g36 with a drum mag?... Other than the weight of course...

Thanks all for your input!

Crunchmeister April 19th, 2010 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1215097)
what's the different between a LMG and a upgraded(towards ROF) m15/g36 with a drum mag?... Other than the weight of course...


Nothing other than appearance. And just in case you didn't know, LMGs don't have a particularly high rate of fire.

ShelledPants April 19th, 2010 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 1215101)
Nothing other than appearance. And just in case you didn't know, LMGs don't have a particularly high rate of fire.

That's not completely true...

A lot of game hosts use ammo restrictions... for instance... a rifle / smg can have 300 rounds on them... and no hicaps (including drum mags).

A SAW gunner (with SAW gun... ) can have 600 rounds, and use their drum mag...

More often then not, slapping a drum mag on an AK / M4 / G36 DOES NOT make you a SAW gunner.

Danke April 19th, 2010 13:12

The SAW gives sustained support fire.

Since it has the big beefy mechbox you can keep dumping bursts down without the same worry that a guy with a MP5 etc. and a drum mag will have of shredding his internals.

Crunchmeister April 19th, 2010 13:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShelledPants (Post 1215118)
That's not completely true...

A lot of game hosts use ammo restrictions... for instance... a rifle / smg can have 300 rounds on them... and no hicaps (including drum mags).

A SAW gunner (with SAW gun... ) can have 600 rounds, and use their drum mag...

More often then not, slapping a drum mag on an AK / M4 / G36 DOES NOT make you a SAW gunner.

Well in terms of actual performance of the gun itself (host-imposed ammo restrictions aside), what I said is correct.

But Shelled is correct. In practice, games will often have ammo restrictions with the amount carried, and many will not allow standard rifles to be used as LMGs with drum mags.

Brian McIlmoyle April 19th, 2010 13:33

If employed properly in a support gunner role the saw gunner ends up carrying more and running more than anyone else.

Often support guns are deployed on the flanks of the line of battle .. which means when contact happens the gunner has to make a mad rush to get set up on the flank.

You want your gunners on the flanks so that they can suppress while the formation moves up without worrying about someone walking in front of your fire.

If you put gunners in the middle of the line.. the width of arc will get smaller and smaller as your guys advance.. and you will get B on B happening.

Once your guys are assaulting you can swing your fire to the rear of the enemy to provide cut off if you are deployed on the flank

m102404 April 19th, 2010 13:53

At real cap games (i.e. the # of BBs in a mag is "real" to what real steel would be) and ammo limited games (i.e. the total number of BBs you can have with you regardless of what capacity mags you have).....SAW/LMG gunners can really swing the tide of things. They are then usually allowed more ammo (total and at any given time) than rifleman loads.

It would suck if at such games EVERYONE came out to such a game with a SAW/LMG...but that tends not to happen.

They work great when combined with riflemen. They work great for stitching an area while others move up (if every just holes up and snipes pot shots then they quickly lose their effect), laying in enough fire to flush out a position (i.e. to displace an opponent so your buddies can get the drop on them). They bring sustained firepower (even if they're shooting the same ammo/same FPS as rifles)...by virtue of their larger ammo capacity.

All of the above works for ammo cap/real cap stuff....when every rifle on the field has 300 rounds on tap or each guy can carry 3000 rounds....it doesn't make that much of a difference. Then you'd be better off designating a couple of guys to be "squad gunners", almost regardless of the rifles they have in their hands.

The common thing in all this...is that any use of them works best when teamed up with a couple of other guys. Work together and you'll be able to really exert maximum pressure and kick ass. With rare exception a SAW gunner on their own is going to get chewed up as fast as a lone rifleman or anyone else.

ThunderCactus April 19th, 2010 15:24

First, metaltechs are CRAP BBs. I bought a bag 2 yrs ago to try them out. They shot worse than flying colors in my G3, they JAMMED another guy's PTW, and they were shooting all over the place.
Second, high quality BB nothing. If your a good guntech you can run shit BB's in any gun. I've heard dozens of people talking about how flying colors are crap and they jam stock guns, and they jam upgraded guns, and they jam mags. I've shot over 20 bags of flying colors and not once have I EVER had a jam in any of my 6.03 tightbore barrels.
Third, my 249 gets the same range as my M4, which is about as good of a range as you can get out of an AEG using .28s

m102404 April 19th, 2010 15:29

What are "flying colours"?...a brand?

Frost Hex April 19th, 2010 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by KND (Post 1214953)
You should probably lend or borrow a M249 or other light machine gun to try out at the game and if it's working for you before invest on them.

I tried 3 time with 3 different SAW and none of them working for me.

Dude still waiting for you to answer my mp's

Rugger_can April 19th, 2010 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by m102404 (Post 1215204)
What are "flying colours"?...a brand?

Yes, its a budget brand available at a lot of different retailers. Its often associated with the Soft air clearsoft market as its sold at many hunting/fishing stores.

They have a range of weights, and are always coloured (in a variety).

http://ultracartthumbs.s3.amazonaws....191594DDF7.jpg

highny April 19th, 2010 15:56

Oh wow, thanks everyone! I learn a lot about LMGs. Thanks for your time.

I desided not to get one mainly because of the cost.

FOX_111 April 19th, 2010 16:44

I'm usually playing as a sniper and on some occasions, assault.

But I did one game as a LMGer using an RPK and it was very refreshing.

Basically, my role was laying down supressive fire while my teamates would move into position to flank or assault. While they form a skirmish line and fire at the ennemy on semi and move in bounding 2 mans teams, I would keep up with them and keept a large volume of fire outgoing. It was easyer to do with a drum-mag and full auto compared to 30-60 rounds lowcaps.

If you play milsim and everyone respect the roles and limitations of it's weapon and position, a LMGer will be spraying a lot of BBs while covering your team movement. Compared to assaulter, wich purpose was delivering more aimed shots and manuvering for the kill.

Comments from people playing against us was: "Man, how many of you where there? it was an incessant barrage of fire!"

I think the cheapest LMG you can buy is the RPK or MG36. Modded AK47 will run you probably sub 1k$ compared to a M249 that will be over 1K$ stock.

Drake April 19th, 2010 17:40

A lot of stricter games don't accept the MG36 as a LMG however.

And you can get an A&K M249 for well under $1K (new).

CimmShark April 19th, 2010 17:43

I wanted one too. And just this sunday got to use one for a match. It was a full metal M249 and at first I joked around wanting to carry 2 of them but just running around with 1 I've gained a new respect for that gun. IT'S HEAVY! Easily one of the heaviest I've gotten the pleasure of using.

It's safe to say I never want to own one now lol. Well maybe if I can turn one into a back mounted gat... :rolleyes:

Like everyone else said, supression and support role. We did attack and defend and a team member had his M249 while defending and would literally just pour BB's out onto the advancing forces keeping them back.

kylem_8 April 19th, 2010 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1215291)
A lot of stricter games don't accept the MG36 as a LMG however.

And you can get an A&K M249 for well under $1K (new).

+1

I just got a brand new A&K M249 (C9). Well im about to get it as its not even out yet. On preorder for April 30th. And yes, for WELL under $1000. I could buy 2 of these beasts for that kind of money...

its not really any more expensive then a mid to high-end AEG

Drake April 19th, 2010 17:59

I dunno about the suppression and support role, exclusively. Mine's an assault rifle on steroids. It's also not the heaviest gun I have (my SAM-R, when fully accessorized, holds that title).

I think LMGs are a bit like sniper rifles: you need to really want to get into that role, it's not just something you start using randomly. I really wanted to play with one and a while back Brakoo lent me his for a game; after that test drive, I knew it was something I had to buy.

But if you're just looking for another AEG, it probably isn't the right gun for you.

ThunderCactus April 19th, 2010 18:45

Well if you want a GOOD LMG, it'll cost over 1000$
And by GOOD LMG, I mean one you can land on and it won't explode. You can cut down trees with my G&P 249 and it's 8.5kg fully loaded

My favorite tactic back when Lycan was still playing (he had a G&P 249 ranger, same ROF as me), was to use alternating burst fire. Essentially we would act as one M249 with a 5000round box mag, alternating fire between us so the enemy would think it was just one M249 firing quick bursts, or if we had a long pause, they'd think it was a trigger happy rifle that was reloading. Then as soon as they start to move up we let loose :D
Double M249's even at 900rpm still lay down a hell of a lot of fire!

Shooting Addict April 19th, 2010 19:24

Bit of a derail but since were talking about LMG's anyway does anyone know when the Real Sword Type 97 support weapon will be released? It was announced at the shot show awhile back but i haven't heard anything since then. BTW for those who don't know what i'm talking about i mean this http://www.oneworldairsoft.com/page/...-TBA-10174.cfm

Steven April 19th, 2010 19:47

Enough Said.

YouTube- Support Gunnery at Ballahack Airsoft 2/20/10


Cover fire for your troops to move in on the enemy.

highny April 19th, 2010 20:10

So what's the best way to increase my ROF on a normal AEG?... and in what order is best?..

I heard that, Battery is the easiest, if you increase too high of voltage, it'll burn out your motor?...

Next is the motor, high speed one would be good along the battery, then the gears along with bushing.

Let me know what you think and know.

m102404 April 19th, 2010 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1215342)
Well if you want a GOOD LMG, it'll cost over 1000$
And by GOOD LMG, I mean one you can land on and it won't explode. You can cut down trees with my G&P 249 and it's 8.5kg fully loaded

My favorite tactic back when Lycan was still playing (he had a G&P 249 ranger, same ROF as me), was to use alternating burst fire. Essentially we would act as one M249 with a 5000round box mag, alternating fire between us so the enemy would think it was just one M249 firing quick bursts, or if we had a long pause, they'd think it was a trigger happy rifle that was reloading. Then as soon as they start to move up we let loose :D
Double M249's even at 900rpm still lay down a hell of a lot of fire!

yeah! two LMGs working together and the Opfor will just have a horrible day...:)

ThunderCactus April 20th, 2010 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1215415)
So what's the best way to increase my ROF on a normal AEG?... and in what order is best?..

I heard that, Battery is the easiest, if you increase too high of voltage, it'll burn out your motor?...

Next is the motor, high speed one would be good along the battery, then the gears along with bushing.

Let me know what you think and know.

Going up to 1000rpm is fine on most AEGs, thats a 9.6v mini or 8.4v large batt. But anything above it more and more likely to break things, especially when your above 330fps. And a 9.6v large battery will melt your trigger contacts.

1)Battery, MOSFET switch
2)piston, sorbo pad, properly shimmed gears, metal bushings. If you have CA/TM/G&G gears, you'll need better gears.
2)Rest of your internals, motor

highny April 20th, 2010 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1215602)
1)Battery, MOSFET switch
2)piston, sorbo pad, properly shimmed gears, metal bushings. If you have CA/TM/G&G gears, you'll need better gears.
2)Rest of your internals, motor

Thanks, that's helpful!

teriases April 20th, 2010 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by scurvythepirate (Post 1214910)
WTF were you reading? HE was wondering what the play style of a LMG'er was, not converting a SAW into a Sniper Rifle. Read it next time before you make comments.

Uhhh yea... you know what. I'm just going to take a high road and just out right ignore you. Very tempted to start a flame war, but no. Nice try buddy. :) And no Mr. Pirate... if you read carefully what I wrote, I was talking about airsoft in general - how it has low recoil and is accurate... About the UMP, it was a joke. Just to refine my point that airsoft has more usage possibility then real firearms.

Anyhow, back on topic - Suppressive fire would be really nice. Since you can pin down someone or a group and your team can flank them. With a SAW you would probly have enough ammo to do this properly and it would be the most realistic role if you had that gun. :)

Kingly April 20th, 2010 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by teriases (Post 1214904)
SAW.. you mean the SAW Machine gun?

I think pretty much any gun can be a sniper in airsoft, since there's not much recoil, and with a bi-pod and scope u can do pretty well. But it would be kinda silly to snipe with a Machine gun. :)

But then again I have thoughts about building a UMP sniper version... hahah.. :)

That's why airsoft is fun I guess, you can build and play it how u like. Just my 2 cents.

wow, c'mon... your really giving the whole "not age-verified" group a bad name...

highny April 20th, 2010 23:05

So I've been looking at place that sells some decent upgrade parts for my gun...

Is there any decent brand you could name from top to bottom?

I'm thinking element, but not 100% sure if their good considering their price compare to Guarder brand. A bit off topic, but it'll still relate to it as of how this post went.

Thanks again for your input and without starting a flame war.

Conker April 20th, 2010 23:22

As an ACM brand, Element are a hit or miss. I personally consider they're a good bang for your buck for externals and gear (communications and such), however I wouldn't trust them for internals as failure of 1 part may end up destroying the whole mechbox.

TokyoSeven April 20th, 2010 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by highny (Post 1216363)
Is there any decent brand you could name from top to bottom?

Prometheus parts use high quality materials and have great quality control.

ThunderCactus April 21st, 2010 00:11

Element is awful. Guarder has good dimensional control but their part material is weak.
Systema is still my standard staple for upgrade parts, but prometheus is without a doubt the best on the market.

durak April 21st, 2010 09:57

I run a M60 E4, the thing is a beast. Upgrades are almost a must, i tossed in a top speed ratio gear set and a tm eg1000 motor into mine the thing just spews bbs.

Generally when I see my local bastard I buy ten or fifteen bags at a time to be sure i have enough bbs for a while, in a 4 or 5 hour game I generally onl go through about 2 bags or 4000 rounds. I generally keep one boxmag full plus two reloads on me just incase though there has been the odd game that I have used more than that.

SAWs are damn heavy though if you get a full metal one, and not one of the wussy plastic ones my 60 is almost 20lbs when its loaded. So be sure to get a well padded strap.

The three things im generally tasked to doing are assault, ambush and defence

assault and defence are self explanitory. What lost people overlook is what a saw can do in an ambush situation.

When ambushing an enemy get some good consealment, a ghullie suit helps alot, pelreferably near a trail. And just wait for some enemys to pass by you dont want to start shooting untill there about 30 feet away and open up. If you dont wait you might not get them all and have fire coming back your way. This works really well if you have a fire team with you.

Shooting Addict April 21st, 2010 10:03

Is it one of the Inokatsu M60?

durak April 21st, 2010 10:33

Nah its the A&K

highny April 21st, 2010 19:07

WOW Thanks for the info!

I'd love to get a saw, but the thing, THERE ARE NONE AROUND!!!...

It's crazy hard to fine, plus the cost is crazy even if I found one...

Thanks again for all your input! Please feel free to continue sharing your story about the roll, style, or even what you went through with the weapon! Really enjoy hearing them all!

teriases April 21st, 2010 22:34

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Originally Posted by Kingly (Post 1216255)
wow, c'mon... your really giving the whole "not age-verified" group a bad name...

I am very confused. Care to explain how I am offending anyone here? Guess freedom of expression isn't your thing.

By the way, your post isn't even related to the original question... Why do I even bother. I'm just trying to be friendly and being negative like what you are doing just annoys me....

Danke April 21st, 2010 23:16

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Originally Posted by highny (Post 1217120)
WOW Thanks for the info!

I'd love to get a saw, but the thing, THERE ARE NONE AROUND!!!...

It's crazy hard to fine, plus the cost is crazy even if I found one...

Thanks again for all your input! Please feel free to continue sharing your story about the roll, style, or even what you went through with the weapon! Really enjoy hearing them all!

I see one turn up in the classifieds at least once a month.

highny April 22nd, 2010 01:42

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Originally Posted by Danke (Post 1217369)
I see one turn up in the classifieds at least once a month.

Well, I did the whole "search" thing under the name "m249" and there's a couple came up, messaged them both, one guy wasn't interested in a trade, and it's a echo1 brand... Which from what I read isn't quite up there... Waiting for another guy to reply... Other than the two, I can't find anymore... I try searching "m60" and "saw", nothing came up... Other than the two saw name, I really don't know any other type...

Mind giving me a list of saw name? So far I know:

M249
M60

Assault Pioneer April 22nd, 2010 01:48

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Originally Posted by highny (Post 1217464)
Well, I did the whole "search" thing under the name "m249" and there's a couple came up, messaged them both, one guy wasn't interested in a trade, and it's a echo1 brand... Which from what I read isn't quite up there... Waiting for another guy to reply... Other than the two, I can't find anymore... I try searching "m60" and "saw", nothing came up... Other than the two saw name, I really don't know any other type...

Mind giving me a list of saw name? So far I know:

M249
M60

echo1 m249's are awesome...how dare you

scurvythepirate April 22nd, 2010 01:55

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Originally Posted by teriases (Post 1216251)
Uhhh yea... you know what. I'm just going to take a high road and just out right ignore you. Very tempted to start a flame war, but no. Nice try buddy. :) And no Mr. Pirate... if you read carefully what I wrote, I was talking about airsoft in general - how it has low recoil and is accurate... About the UMP, it was a joke. Just to refine my point that airsoft has more usage possibility then real firearms.

Anyhow, back on topic - Suppressive fire would be really nice. Since you can pin down someone or a group and your team can flank them. With a SAW you would probly have enough ammo to do this properly and it would be the most realistic role if you had that gun. :)

Of course because I spend all my day on here, flaming people, who i believe dont know a thing. I have better things to do, i just found it funny how he asked a question and all you replied with was a project you had converting your UMP into a DMR. If it was a joke, dont post it up, didnt seem like one to me or anyone else for that matter.

If someone posts a question, dont ramble about your airsoft problems.

Danke April 22nd, 2010 02:18

Go to the sold AEGs subforum and punch in M249 and you'll have a whole flood of posts to grab other keywords from.

highny April 22nd, 2010 18:30

Humm, oh well, I give up...

Thank you all for your time and effort in helping understand the roll of a LMG.

I'll be looking forward in finding one in the near future.

ThunderCactus April 22nd, 2010 18:43

LMG36 (only useable on some fields seeing as it's NOT a real world LMG)
RPK
PKM (that's right, it exists in airsoft)
M249
M240
Browning M1919 (the allied WW2 waterjacket LMG)
MG42
MG34
Browning M2
The M60 abortion of a machinegun and it's many variants
And the HK23 or 21, I believe redwolf makes it as a custom gun

Shooting Addict April 22nd, 2010 19:36

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1218045)
And the HK23 or 21, I believe redwolf makes it as a custom gun

That would be to good to be true...Could someone check I've tried but redwolf isn't working the computer tells me the servers down.

ThunderCactus April 22nd, 2010 22:59

They make the para version that looks like crap. Incendentally, I myself made an HK11E conversion kit a while back... WAY back.... back when I didn't even have an ASC account apparently LOL

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=32094

Shooting Addict April 23rd, 2010 15:22

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1218224)
They make the para version that looks like crap. Incendentally, I myself made an HK11E conversion kit a while back... WAY back.... back when I didn't even have an ASC account apparently LOL

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=32094

Do you still have that it's sweet, whats it based off a CA G3?

BoGrain April 23rd, 2010 17:06

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1218045)
LMG36 (only useable on some fields seeing as it's NOT a real world LMG)
RPK
PKM (that's right, it exists in airsoft)
M249
M240
Browning M1919 (the allied WW2 waterjacket LMG)
MG42
MG34
Browning M2
The M60 abortion of a machinegun and it's many variants
And the HK23 or 21, I believe redwolf makes it as a custom gun

The MG42 and MG34 are extremely rare (made by shoei or ultima); I doubt you can find one in Canada. The Browning M1919 is made by viva arms or it is custom build again not easy to find. The 3 most commons one are the RPK, the M249 and the M60 (mg36 does not technically count).

dantheman April 22nd, 2011 20:42

I have a question about support gunners: What type of secondary weapon do they carry? (if they carry any at all)
Could you carry a SAW as a primary and a M4 on your back as the secondary?

Strelok April 22nd, 2011 21:16

I don't doubt it, but I don't see the point of carrying any more weight than you have to.

I've seen people just pack pistols. you're already carrying a gun with thousands of rounds.

That, and carrying another longarm is kind of silly, chances are you'll take a dive and break it unless its really secured to your person

Danke April 23rd, 2011 00:41

Depending on the game I may carry my KWA MP7 along with the SAW. Then at some points in the game I'll set it aside and just use the SMG. More on all day sim scenarios where I don't want to carry it back and forth 50 times.

Brian McIlmoyle April 23rd, 2011 00:57

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Originally Posted by dantheman (Post 1452536)
I have a question about support gunners: What type of secondary weapon do they carry? (if they carry any at all)
Could you carry a SAW as a primary and a M4 on your back as the secondary?

Pistol , or very small SMG like a MP7 , something for self defense should your gun go down.

Humping a MG and a rifle is not necessary.

Most guys who run MGs tend to bring a rifle as back up if the gun goes down. But it's left in the SZ or the FOB.

J-Man19 April 23rd, 2011 01:33

PM specops420 on JOC, he will tell you all about his love/hate relationship with SAWs.
They are fun when they work but a heavy POS when they don't.

IMO stick with an M4/AK until you've gotten some more experience. Learn the basics then branch out from there. You've gone through 3+ guns in 8 months? Yikes. I've been playing for 5 years and am only now considering trying a DMR set up.
No need to rush things.

ThunderCactus April 23rd, 2011 15:46

3years, 1500rpm, 380fps
G&P M249's mechbox has NEVER broken down ;)
I've nearly stripped the piston once due to messing up my TM configuration, put 2 new motors in it, broke the anti reversal latch spring once, and popped the feed tube off my box mag 3 times (I have a spare box mag just incase), but the mechbox has never stopped working ever :D

My M4 on the other hand, broke all the G&P gears, piston head, the O-ring off my aluminum piston head got wedged into the port in the cylinder somehow, 5 broken trigger springs, 2 broken triggers, 2 hopup rubbers and 3 motors.

But I still get more kills with my VSR than I do with my 249 on average. The 249 is just more fun :D

m102404 April 25th, 2011 15:09

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Originally Posted by dantheman (Post 1452536)
I have a question about support gunners: What type of secondary weapon do they carry? (if they carry any at all)
Could you carry a SAW as a primary and a M4 on your back as the secondary?

I did that for a MilSim last year. Only because we were able to arm the POWs if we were able to rescue them...and because the rules stated that we could take out 300rnds/rifle and 1000/saw, and that was the total ammo limit for the whole day (expect no resupply). A couple of us did that...and it paid off huge. We rescued them...we armed them...later we disarmed them when some other guns went down or when we needed to empty the mags to get the ammo split out to others :)

It was cumbersome...but not all that heavy. If things got hot and heavy we ditched our packs (and thus the extra stuff attached to the packs) for more ease of movement.

IMO, a pistol should be a must carry item....don't know that you need too many mags for it though. When you're in a rifle fight and you've got to go to a pistol things are getting pretty dire pretty quickly.

I'm going to try and run a SAW and a have a small PDW slung/in a pack. Folded up it's about as small as a collapsed MP5 and pretty tiny. I'll likely ditch it (with the pack) as we establish FOBs and whatnot. If the SAW goes down...it'll end up in the bushes and the PDW will take on primary duties.

For a fun-day of small skirmishes...I usually don't bring a backup rifle. The games and stuff are usually pretty laid back and casual. The only time I do is if I'm testing out a new mechbox/rifle/etc...

For events and milsims...I'm definitely taking out fall-back weapons (at least one). They may stay locked up...or might get hauled out to the field/in-play (since some of the walks out to the staging/parking areas are long, long walks).

So do what you want to...but make sure you can do it.

FoxhoundNB May 13th, 2011 18:11

A question to all you SAW gunners, I'm considering getting an A&K M60 (I know I'm not age verified here, and this isn't my first AEG by far), but I'm starting to wonder how I'm going to transport it. For my other AEGs I have a soft case and a hard case... but I doubt I could make the M60 fit into any of those.

What do you guys use?

(Planning on upgrading at least the barrel to a Prometheus and the hopup rubber)

Apologies if this is off topic, but I don't think it's enough of a tangent to deserve it's own topics.

On that note, I've seen 2 games where SAW gunners were the first people out of ammo; made me laugh.

ShelledPants May 13th, 2011 18:20

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Originally Posted by FoxhoundNB (Post 1465356)
A question to all you SAW gunners, I'm considering getting an A&K M60 (I know I'm not age verified here, and this isn't my first AEG by far), but I'm starting to wonder how I'm going to transport it. For my other AEGs I have a soft case and a hard case... but I doubt I could make the M60 fit into any of those.

They fit in large rifle bags. Not hard to come by, or expensive. :)

Manni May 25th, 2011 02:03

I've had my m249 para for quite some time and have tried other saws, they fit me well. They sell specific cases for most of the saw style guns if not buy a LARGE soft case and your good to go. Ive learned with a saw dont carry much, webbing works well with just a few attachments. Ive gone as small as using a webbing belt and thats it with my saw. I recc an mp5k as a sidearm it works well if you decide to go with a side arm. My squad's ive been in like suppresive fire this can mean alot of get down and hide a spray as much plastic as you can downfeild. but using a sliding stock is more manuverable and will allow you to move around alot if needed.

3 things to remember:

1. 30+ pounds of gear and a saw is hard to carry all day without a stop
2. Its airsoft you will get dirty on alot of feilds
3. Have fun! Even a saw can run around and do the same thing an m4 can sometimes better

ThunderCactus May 25th, 2011 16:45

I'm one of the smallest guys out here playing airsoft, and I carry a G&P 249, spare M4 AEG mags that I can't even use, a KAC PDW + 6 gas mags, 4000 rounds, a spare box with 2500 rounds, 3L camelbak, bigass combat knife, AND my ego.
I carry more gear than most riflemen and they still have a hard time keeping up lol

The SAW gunner should be in the BEST shape ;)

J-Man19 May 25th, 2011 16:51

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus (Post 1472422)
I'm one of the smallest guys out here playing airsoft, and I carry a G&P 249, spare M4 AEG mags that I can't even use, a KAC PDW + 6 gas mags, 4000 rounds, a spare box with 2500 rounds, 3L camelbak, bigass combat knife, AND my ego.
I carry more gear than most riflemen and they still have a hard time keeping up lol

The SAW gunner should be in the BEST shape ;)

QFT.

Sushi got his new 60 today, in time for claybank :D
160lbs 5' 4"
carries M60, M4, 226, + 20-30lbs of gear and can still outrun everyone on our team.


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