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clawsen May 19th, 2010 19:11

airsoft-club cadpat too good to be true?
 
I was looking for some fairly cheap cadpat that wasn't going to wear out or fade. I found a set on www.airsoft-club.com for real cheap. Does anyone know if this is junk or if it's actually good. thx

Jbone 11 11 May 20th, 2010 13:14

Sorry bro... thats the knock off crap. Frontenac is what you want. Flecktarn.co.uk has it and so does Surplusig.com in MTL. Issac is the guy there. I bought my Italian Teams CADPAT from Them.

Crunchmeister May 20th, 2010 13:19

It certainly looks good, but for that price, I wouldn't be too confident about it lasting any significant period of time. And I would seriously question its fade-resistance...

ShelledPants May 20th, 2010 13:21

The gear on that site is extraordinarily cheap and -will break-. If all you want is something to ponce around in the basement taking photos, then you'll be fine, but if you want to use the gear in a game, I would recommend buying higher quality gear.

Just my 0,02

Zeonprime May 20th, 2010 13:21

Army Issue Surplus

Reasons to buy.
1) he actually plays airsoft so he knows what works for what we do.
2) he knows what is the good shit versus the bad shit.
3) he has the good shit in stock

Rooster May 20th, 2010 14:15

Has anyone who has commented that it's shit actually tried some? Or are you just going on the assumption that because it is low cost it is crap?

There are exceptions to every rule guys, For the price I'm half tempted to get a set of Flecktarn or something just to put it to the test.

I've got my good set of Cadpat that cost alot more than those, but you never know. Just sayin, don't shit on a product if you have no experience with it.

Rugger_can May 20th, 2010 14:21

Airsoft-club is like any other air soft store selling reproduction stuff. The Nylon stuff and repro optics are usually serviceable in quality but I would suggest when dealing with such a low cost item like BDU's or clothes to pay the extra money and get the good stuff.

Personally my budget is very thin, but I would rather wait and do without than buy a considerably lower quality item.


Cheers.

Zeonprime May 20th, 2010 14:21

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Originally Posted by flamethis (Post 1238935)
Has anyone who has commented that it's shit actually tried some? Or are you just going on the assumption that because it is low cost it is crap?

There are exceptions to every rule guys, For the price I'm half tempted to get a set of Flecktarn or something just to put it to the test.

I've got my good set of Cadpat that cost alot more than those, but you never know. Just sayin, don't shit on a product if you have no experience with it.

YES, and cost has nothing to do with it. I have seen bad shit cost more then good shit. I have paid less for good shit then bad shit on occasion and I have had bad shit end up costing me more $$ then good shit simply because I had to replace the shit after the bad shit wore out.

chaosnemesis May 20th, 2010 14:24

you realise that shipping from there is going to run you about 30 bucks bringing the total to almost 60 bucks landed. It's not as good of a deal as you might think.

ShelledPants May 20th, 2010 14:33

That site is lols. Repro Mechanix gloves. for $20. The real thing only costs $35 in country. The repro's (judging just from the stitching and choice of palm padding) probably won't last one serious game of airsoft. I've owned Mechanix for over a year of pretty hard airsofting. I only bought a second pair because I temporarily lost mine before an event. Now I have two, one I hand out to players who need protection at games I attend.

http://airsoft-club.com/shop/tactica...s-coyote-brown

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

Assault Pioneer May 20th, 2010 14:39

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Originally Posted by ShelledPants (Post 1238954)
That site is lols. Repro Mechanix gloves. for $20. The real thing only costs $35 in country. The repro's (judging just from the stitching and choice of palm padding) probably won't last one serious game of airsoft. I've owned Mechanix for over a year of pretty hard airsofting. I only bought a second pair because I temporarily lost mine before an event. Now I have two, one I hand out to players who need protection at games I attend.

http://airsoft-club.com/shop/tactica...s-coyote-brown

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en

creepy tire sells them for waay too much, find your local Acklands-granger, a tool shop that supplies mostly to the industrial sector (they have a huge contract with shell) but their stores have storefronts and you can get mechanix for $24.00 there

Rugger_can May 20th, 2010 14:43

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Originally Posted by Assault Pioneer (Post 1238960)
creepy tire sells them for waay too much, find your local Acklands-granger, a tool shop that supplies mostly to the industrial sector (they have a huge contract with shell) but their stores have storefronts and you can get mechanix for $24.00 there

https://www.acklandsgrainger.com/AGI...LocatorPage.do

Find a location


https://www.acklandsgrainger.com/AGI...1z12l9l/Ne-67l

Pricing on Mechanic wear.


But seriously. In terms of BDU's be prepared to spend around 50 bucks per item (50 for shirt ect..) for good reliable quality. And don't be afraid to hunt around.

Rooster May 20th, 2010 14:44

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Originally Posted by Zeonprime (Post 1238940)
YES, and cost has nothing to do with it. I have seen bad shit cost more then good shit. I have paid less for good shit then bad shit on occasion and I have had bad shit end up costing me more $$ then good shit simply because I had to replace the shit after the bad shit wore out.

Well shit, I stand corrected then. I wasn't trying to be a dick, just saying that if nobody has tried it personally then they can't really comment on quality.

Crunchmeister May 20th, 2010 14:49

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Originally Posted by flamethis (Post 1238935)
Has anyone who has commented that it's shit actually tried some? Or are you just going on the assumption that because it is low cost it is crap?

There are exceptions to every rule guys, For the price I'm half tempted to get a set of Flecktarn or something just to put it to the test.

I've got my good set of Cadpat that cost alot more than those, but you never know. Just sayin, don't shit on a product if you have no experience with it.

While there are rare exceptions to the rule, they're exactly that - rare. When you get replica products that are worthwhile, they generally cost more because they materials are of higher quality and more attention goes into the details. When something costs 1/4 of what the real thing costs, they had to cut come serious corners to get that.

That being said, many of the "real" products out there are stupidly overpriced as well. So sometimes a copy at half the price is just as good (or almost) as the real thing.

So how about this... you order that set, use it a few games, run it through a few washes, and then let us know how it holds up. Then we'll all know for sure.

Rooster May 20th, 2010 15:14

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Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 1238971)
So how about this... you order that set, use it a few games, run it through a few washes, and then let us know how it holds up. Then we'll all know for sure.


I think I will order up a set next week. I'll put it to the torture test (sliding down hills, diving into the grass, crawling across some rocks) then wash it a bunch of times and see how it holds up. If I end up with bleached out shredded rags then I'll know to shut my mouth and listen next time. lol

Zeonprime May 20th, 2010 15:39

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Originally Posted by flamethis (Post 1238968)
Well shit, I stand corrected then. I wasn't trying to be a dick, just saying that if nobody has tried it personally then they can't really comment on quality.

Good point :) Hope the shitty reply was funny though :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 1238971)
While there are rare exceptions to the rule, they're exactly that - rare. When you get replica products that are worthwhile, they generally cost more because they materials are of higher quality and more attention goes into the details. When something costs 1/4 of what the real thing costs, they had to cut come serious corners to get that.

That being said, many of the "real" products out there are stupidly overpriced as well. So sometimes a copy at half the price is just as good (or almost) as the real thing.

Crunch makes valid points. Phantom/Pantac is a great example of a knock-off being of great quality and material.

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Originally Posted by flamethis (Post 1238996)
I think I will order up a set next week. I'll put it to the torture test (sliding down hills, diving into the grass, crawling across some rocks) then wash it a bunch of times and see how it holds up. If I end up with bleached out shredded rags then I'll know to shut my mouth and listen next time. lol


There is something people buying knock off camo should also consider. IR treatment. Besides the fading, most fake camos show extremly bright under night vision. If you are never going to play a milsim or skirmish at night then you have no worries, but even the cheapest Nightvision will show you the fake camo.

ShelledPants May 20th, 2010 15:42

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Originally Posted by Zeonprime (Post 1239015)
There is something people buying knock off camo should also consider. IR treatment. Besides the fading, most fake camos show extremly bright under night vision. If you are never going to play a milsim or skirmish at night then you have no worries, but even the cheapest Nightvision will show you the fake camo.

I was going to mention this.

I have footage from our night game where one guy looks like a streetlight, and I didn't see his partner until he moved. Clothing which isn't IR treated, literally glows white under nightvision.

Not the greatest example, but this is something I shot on Gen3 Goggles (with my camera placed at the eyecup). It is PITCH black (I had to be guided by a buddy grabbing my vest because my natural night vision was washed from the camera screen), at 2:17, you can see the guy laying down, his vest is IR treated, but his camo isn't, and so it glows.

YouTube- Ghosts - Operation: Dusk Till Dawn - April 3-4 2010

Zeonprime May 20th, 2010 15:48

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Originally Posted by ShelledPants (Post 1239017)
I was going to mention this.

I have footage from our night game where one guy looks like a streetlight, and I didn't see his partner until he moved. Clothing which isn't IR treated, literally glows white under nightvision.

If it wasnt so cost prohibitive I would reskin my Huang Cyre Chassis with the real material. Thankfully my pouches cover a great deal of property (most have the IR coating) on the armour and I rarely get to play. maybe in my 2012 airsoft budget (If I bother doing that, then I'd do the MC webbing and IR treated buckles).

Gonzo Sleeper May 20th, 2010 16:03

I have bought camo from Airsoft-Club and have used it in a few games..only washed it once..No color loss or seams opening up yet. Only bad thing was when I washed it I found a button in the washer off one of the cargo pockets on my pants. Will say I can be hard on buttons so may have been me and not the product alone.

Rooster May 20th, 2010 23:46

Very cool info on (and video) about the IR. I can't see me doing a night Op in my area but it's good to know if it ever comes up..

Aurelien May 21st, 2010 04:41

I have a chicadpat boonie, and compared to my frontenacs, its shit. Color match is terrible, but hey, I wasnt expecting alot for 5USD.

Rugger_can May 21st, 2010 06:25

Theoretically IR Treated BDU's are not supposed to be for sale outside the US... "Theoretically"

Zeonprime May 21st, 2010 16:04

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Originally Posted by Rugger_can (Post 1239637)
Theoretically IR Treated BDU's are not supposed to be for sale outside the US... "Theoretically"

hahahaha...*cough* sorry not laughing AT you Rugger :) just at the not for sale outside of the US. specially considering Cadpat is IR treated.

HKGhost May 21st, 2010 16:38

I've put in a small order to test some of their products. I got the Airsoft Molle Triple Mag Pouch, a shemagh and gloves. I'll do a quick review on the mag pouch when it arrives.

Hades May 21st, 2010 16:41

I've used just about every type of CADPAT BDU that is available and can say that Frontenac and the Dropzone Ops BDU's are the only ones which show little to no fading. Frontenac fades a little after a shitload of washes and the Dropzone stuff does not fade at all. Parklands is complete shit


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