I give you, Milsim! (A conseptual event)
 

Before reading the title seems it may be misleading for some people. I know milsim has been around forever and events like this are hosted all the time, this was just an idea I thought could be fun.

*UPDATE* There are some pictures of the field in question on page 2.

Ok so I was sitting around thinking of an idea for a fun big milsim event that we could have here in Canada. Anyway in my free time I play a game called Project Reality, and in it there is a gametype called "Insurgency Mode" Basically the rules are, the "Soldier team" has to seek and destroy weapons caches that are hidden around the map, and being defended by the "Insurgent team". This got me thinking, why not airsoft?

I wrote up these rules in about 15 minutes, so they are not bound in stone by anymeans, any suggestions are appreciated. Here they are:
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However, here is the best part. I have the perfect place in mind where it could be played, besides the fact that it is not a real airsoft field or paintball field, just a private property that is owned by my Grandfather and my Dad for their business. It's wayyy away from civilization and its actually gigantic. I will be posting some pictures of the property tomorrow. It has a good mixture of forresty areas, open fields, and also sand dunes etc.

Anyway it would be alot of work to host this game, sure, but imagine the pure epicness of how much fun it would be. Anyway, tell me what you think.

EDIT**I need to include that this is just and IDEA. I don't have any plans on actually hosting it. This was just meant as an idea for maybe something that could be hosted down the line or by someone else.

I also understand that there is other big milsim games etc etc, I know and I do browse the events section waiting for the day I will be old enough to attend myself (;P).

So I deffinetly spelled "Conceptual" wrong in the thread title. My bad, the product of typing too fast.

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There are games like that played already. Also, just curious, how old are you?

I applaud your efforts so far, seems like you are putting some general decent thought into this.

But I am wondering one thing; have you attended any 'official' / ASC posted events / ASC Milsims in the past/present?
Reason I am asking, is you can really learn alot from players/games.
To boot there has been a few "Would be" hosts (IMO) which have failed miserably in the past due to lack of experience in the hosting/Airsoft world.

Andrew have a look around the game and events section and the after action section. a lot of fields run scenario based games as opposed to simple skirmishes theres even a group in ontario dedicated entirely to WW2 reeenactment. those threads might help give you ideas to improve your scenario

Milsim as a whole is hardly a new concept but at least this got the wheels spinning for you. if you can maybe refine the idea and get people interested in your scenario then maybe you can find a game host in your area whos already been doing this for a while to help set things up.

Just a thought take it for what its worth.

Reading your PDF now will edit in my opinion

No I havn't been to any as of yet, I'm not old enough yet. This was just an idea, and I have no plans on hosting it now, because I'm only 16 and like you said it would "fail miserably". I know that, this is just a quick thing I thought could be fun to try sometime down the line. I understand that there is a 100% chance someone has already played an airsoft game like this, but I do have access to a very good area that could be used to play, that's why I posted. Like I said, I will be posting some pics soon, as when I get older I hope to try to host some maybe smaller games there. Thanks for the feedback guys, it is appreciated.

Five medics seems high unless your planning a shit ton of people.. How many players do you plan on each team? with the reference of FOBs and vehicles this place must be huge any chance we can get a google maps view?

yeah five medics may be high, it was just a number I came up with off the top of my head. When I originally wrote the rules, it was lower, and then I changed them to rules for a paintball milsim event. I changed all the numbers because I anticipated that way more people would be there. Anyway none of those numbers are like set numbers, they could all be changed as none of them are probably right anyway.

EDIT** I will get a pic of the field from google maps.

here is the field in question on google maps. This is zoomed out a bit. There isn't much for scale except the hanger which is the building you see. For scale that is roughly the size of two medium sized garages.

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So wait that entire area is your property from the paintball field up to the pond?

Yes, now it cuts off a bit at the sides, also there are a few more trees now, as the picture is a wee bit out of date. It cuts off where there is that large farmer field like area to the right, and also to the left you can see a line that goes down from top to bottom. Past that is not ours either, but it is still a big chunk of land. My dad and grandpa own a small construction and gravel business so this is where they get their gravel and sand. EDIT*It's sort of hard to get a feel for what it looks like exactly from that picture, so I am going to go up there tomorrow and take some pictures with a digital camera. Like I said before we don't own all of the land pictured, it does cut off at the sides and if a game were to be held tape would need to be put up for boundaries because when you are out there it's hard to tell if you are off property or not.

Where is this game located? Keep in mind your location depends on the amount of players that show up.

It would be located in Ontario, outside Owen Sound. So not that well known of an area there would be some advertising required.

Do you have insurance that would cover us?

I think so, I mean they must have insurance for it if they operated heavy machinery etc on the land, but like I said I wouldn't actually host an event untill I was absolutely sure of all the details, just to be safe.

Personally I would suggest that MilSim ‘best practices’ really dictate that you get out to a few games first, particularly MilSim games, and analyse what works and what does not.

There has been a long string of proclaimed hosts who have falsely advertised MilSim’s in the past, luring them to venues thinking that because the place or the setting/story was so great, success was guaranteed. Never have failures been so epic because the fundamentals of listening to what works and going with it.

That’s the real gist of it when it comes down to hosting; LISTENING to your CUSTOMER. Many can’t stand the hit to the ego, so they blaze off in their preconceived, inexperienced direction – especially if they are fuelled by skirmish noobs with a loud post count. Understand ROI first and you gain respect for not only hosting but asking players for their money.

If you have 1/10th the analytical skill to research something on Google, then your really SHOULD do your homework first on this board, and ask hosts questions. You don’t have to host an incomplete game – polish your end product first. A MilSim that is full of gaps is like an ‘Under Construction’ web page. Asking the general public to FILL those gaps…all I can say to that is DO NOT pass GO, DO NOT collect $200.

Good luck with that!

From a guy that seriously knows what he's talking about on the subject.

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Thanks I appreciate the info. Trust me, that's why I posted this idea on here instead of rushing out and doing it. I never even really had plans of hosting it I just wanted peoples feedback on the idea itselft, so that maybe someday it could be used.

Here are some pictures of the field. I originally had 50 and cut it down to 9 so you don't get to see really all of the terrain, this is just like a sample, but here they are anyway.
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Listen to Lt.

- get out to some games. I cannot think of a single host who won't take a willing volunteer who's ready to help with ears/eyes open. There's plenty of logistics and getting to kick off on time is always hectic. This would be a huge fast track to figuring things out.

- get to a variety of games...solid mil-sims are kind of far and few between but they're there. Some games are just paintball-like speed ball skirmishes, others are more just free-for-all skirmishes, some are more tactics/planning.

- since you're underaged and this property isn't yours...involve your Grandfather/Father. Get them to meet some of the other hosts and see the game. You're going to need their buy in and blessing anyways...and you do not have the authority to speak on their behalf for insurance/etc....

- keep the game ideas/etc...going, but get out to various games to see what works specifically for airsoft. Medics, respawns, wounding, capture, ammo caps, etc... There are some things that work great...and others that can make a game just plain silly.

Warning:
- airsoft, fair or not, is highly reputationally based. If you prove out to have a good rep, then you'll end up with a large player pool and strong attendance. Cluster f*ck, and you'll be hard pressed to ever shake off the taint.
- Many airsoft guys are cheap when it comes to actually playing. They'll spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on guns, gear, kit....but will bitch and whine if the game fee is more than $25 and they don't get food cooked for them and drinks. Can't figure that out myself...but it's true for many. On the other hand...there are a good number of guys who will pay much more than that and travel significant distances to join in for a solid game filled with good shooters.

Get out to some games, meet/greet the hosts....it'll develop from there if it's going to happen.

Best of luck....cool pics, looks great.

Andrew you have 2 years and lots of advise from some very experienced people. Thats two years to learn the ropes and polish you OP. The area, if you will be able to use it in two years, tooks great.

Learn all you can, fill in the details as you learn, and keep your passion for this sport high and you will come out with a killer OP.

Thanks for the advice guys, like I said that's what I came here looking for so you can believe that I will take it. Again thanks guys, and hopefully I will see you on the field once I'm old enough.

If we're not around then, it's cause we're dead. Feel free to stop by the memorial tho! We would probably be cool with that.

Certainly it takes years of experience before you can really get a realistic mental concept of what will work and won't work. As well, you need to work up to a complicated scenario. Many of the more complicated but successful milsim series of games started much more simply in their infancy. Also, Listen to the guys with experience (postcount means nothing) and learn to accept criticism no matter how you feel personally on the matter. Don't alienate the people giving you criticism because you think they're wrong.. if they have the experience to back up their opinion it's probably a well founded one.

Don't give up though. I've played airsoft for close to 7 years now and i'm just hosting my first game this weekend. You have an awesome field and using that property for airsoft would be of great benefit to airsoft in Ontario, and as a sport nationally.

That is some really good advice right there too.

I am also curious to know the size of the property.

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Andrew, you have a very ambitious project and you are on the right track except the road will be a long one before you can host your first Milsim. Some ASC members may sound rude at first; but, their tips and advice are most likely to be right (So far, you have handled criticism well - keep it up :D)

The field looks very nice indeed and if your event is well organized, players will show up. In the mean time, feel free to ask questions and talk to game hosts, their experience with logistic and setting up event rules will help you greatly in setting your own event.

You could also volunteer to help an experienced host set up one of his events (volunteers are always welcome :)); this way, you could learn what makes a successful event from an experienced host.

Once you will be aged verified, you should attend events of various types (MILSIM, SKIRMISH, etc.) to see what rules work in the field and which one looks good on paper but can lead to monumental cluster f*&k when applied in game (For instance, medic rules are especially susceptible to this) before hosting your first event. By attending events, you will establish your reputation as a player which will help you get attendance to your event.

Hopefully, you should be able to host your first event in a few years.

Sorry it took me a while to reply, the size of the field is 100 acres.

Hi and greetings from the Philippines. We share the same woes on some host teams here who advertise their games as "milsim" but is actually speedball with a little twist of some mission thingy like going after a car battery in the middle that is supposed to be a bomb diffuser thing. We get a lot of that here. But fortunately there are those of us who are loyal to milsim. To get to the point. Sometimes the areas we setup milsim may not be that big enough to host big contingents. And if there are big enough spaces, they're usually inhabited by rebels who don't carry airsoft guns. So we improvised.

Our concept is special ops type of milsim gameplay that involves intel gathering, cqb (in an actual building) and land navigation (using grid maps) in small areas to locate certain op's or camps. So instead of one platoon or company against another, we pit small groups of between 8-12 man teams (squad size really) against a dedicated opfor who role plays and follows a script. And there are multiple short missions that last no more than 30-45 minutes per team. We score it based on missions accomplished less hit players over time. So far it's been a good enough formula for us.

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where is this field at Andrew?

Insurance for and airsoft or paintball game/field is radically different from what's needed to operate heavy machinery. Standard 'farm insurance' or 'property insurance' won't cover an injury during a game.