G&G AK-47 VS Aftermath Kraken
 

Ok, So I am going to be buying an AK-47 from Cabela's. So far, I am going to go with the G&G AK-47 (https://www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pag...=1387&ID=22151) but I have heard many good things about the Aftermath Kraken (https://www.cabelas.ca/index.cfm?pag...2=1387&ID=3475). Was my original hunch correct to go with the G&G or should I go with the Kraken? I have heard a good many things about the Kraken but I trust the brand name of G&G.

Any thoughts?

From my experience with the Kraken, its a solid AEG. The limited experience I have had from the G&G shows me that it too, is a good AEG. There is the obvious price difference...
Most people will tell you too wait out until your of age to buy an airsoft gun.
I know this didn't help too much, but I would go with the Kraken personally.

Neither;

The G&G has some comparability issues with most TM based external upgrades, and the Kraken is meh.

Save up longer, buy a RealSword.

OK Amos, I respect your opinion, But I am going to be ordering one from Cabela's and I need to know which one. I have been doing my research into both of them. The Kraken is in high regard by many people where as the G&G does not seem to have very high quality when it comes to the screws into the stock especially.(as you pointed out in a thread with many pictures and stickies in the pictures (i cant remember the post)). And just for the record, I am 18. I'm not going through Cabela's just to bypass the AV thing or anything like that.

I agree GET RS or get SRC gen 3 AK (its TM compatible) if you dont have enough cash, plus new SRC's equipped w/ great internals.

Enjoy the waste of money, then.

Fifteen minutes of your time for meeting up with an AV representative, a weeks wait time and access to the classifieds is worth so much more than that shit.

you can get G&G or SRC from www.007airsoft.com, ken owns that store and it resides in Canada.

Ok, Fine. But all of the Toronto AVers AV in Toronto, and being 18, I don't exactly have a car to drive all the way out into Toronto (I live in Georgetown). Now can you see why it is a bit hard for me?

No its not hard, your just lazy and not dedicated enough to get aved. Go bus it you fool, you live near a city with way too many avers.... If you think it's too far to go to Toronto, how are you going to go to public games?

I live in Dundas, it's hard enough for me to get to games without a car.

Also if you buy a Aftermath Kraken, don't invest too much into it. Once it breaks buy a real sword like they say.

I'd vote G&G if you are on a budget. But, the real sword is much more epic in terms of quality and realism. Decisions, decisions.

Every time I think I find something nice about these forums it just gets violently torn away by the vast armies of douche bags that lurk this site, praying on people trying to ask an honest question about something. Please, for the love of all that is good, remember you are talking about toy guns. What you guys are doing is saying "My Spiderman toy won't break so easy, so go to the big Toys-R-Us in Toronto and buy an expensive Spiderman toy like me. Anything else is garbage and we will repeatedly flame you until you buy an expensive action figure."

G&G's metal body is hard to find... PROPRIETARY same with ICS

Then meet up with a verifier, Don't bother wasting your money on a Kraken or a G&G. Delayed gratification pays off for sure.

Also, you don't have to be AV'd on ASC to order a realsword, check out One World Airsoft.

Oh, Im not going to be adding a metal body to it. I just want a decent quality gun that I can use to play with my friends. There are about 12 of us. I'm not going to any big games, dressing up in full tactical gear, or completely upgrading my gun and sinking a ton of money into it. I play 4 or 5 times a month for an hour or two. Not a full 2 days non-stop tacticool serious bizznuss Canada airsoft games that aparently go on. If all the ASC trolls play in one place together, it must suck.

Fine pay more then what the Kraken is worth on some crappy retailer :p. Unless you are playing games, your Spiderman toy won't break but if you do expect breakage :)

I'd rather not pay $700 for a starting gun thanks. But I appreciate the idea.

... You really need to be quite a bit more open minded.

Just because we're not telling you everything you want to hear and (most of us) have differeing EDUCATED opinions on the guns doesn't make us "elitist assholes.

I've worked on probably 200 guns this year alone... You know what ones end up giving me the most trouble (translating into costing the owner the most money?) Low end stuff.

An upgrade on a Tokyo Marui gun goes together proper and right the first time.

Out-of-spec garbage? Nope.

But what do I know right? I'm just a "Big kid that spends all my money on expensive toys"

And no, My spider man figure wont break, it's one of those awesome "Marvel Legends" ones :)

what's your budget?

http://store.oneworldairsoft.com/pro...ndard-1956.cfm

Yea, Neither do the people that buy this gun.

Thing you have to realize is;

Don't like airsoft? Bought a kraken. Enjoy your non-existant re-sale value.

Don't like airsoft? Bought a RS 56? Enjoy your 450-500 Re-sale value.

Ok guys, I just asked a simple question on the first page. Not that hard of a question either. You either pick 1 or 2. Not OTHER:_________. Thank-you to the guys who were good people and helped to answer the question.

That's not fair, they aren't douchebags. They are like Chef Ramsey, having incredibly high standards. They see comparing G&G to say, real sword, like comparing McDonalds to fine dining. Not try to imply they are wrong though.

I'd say a Kraken, that way when it breaks down you wont be out as much money.

Have fun.

CJboi's sig is very true some times :)

Thank-you Amos. I appreciate your answer. I'd say the thread is over.

Wasn't there a Thread just like this with the exact same question that was answered by the exact same people with the exact same answers that got closed for flame? Jesus Christ Almighty. Get the Kraken if you want a Cheap Good gun for what your going to be using it for. Nothing wrong with G&G, infact I have the gun sitting beside me right now, and the only thing i couldn't find for it was a metal body, everything else on it is externally is TM compatible from what ive seen. There ya go, Quick and easy answer just like you were looking for.

I love how you get butthurt over a positive suggestion.

What exactly is wrong with giving the person a BETTER OPTION? You make it sound like doing so is the work of the devil, it really isn't.

Just because a gun is cheap and happens to work to an extent doesn't mean it outdoes everything else out there on the market. If krakens were so damn revolutionary as you seem to make them, why are people still using reputable brand name guns over the kraken? Why are they paying up to 600 dollars up to a thousand for these guns?

Because they are not a POS. Upgrading them can be done more EASILY on them than on a kraken for the sake of fitment. (China clone guns generally have bad tolerance issues.) and could render an expensive investment in parts to be useless. When parts fit in properly the moment you put them in a stock shell? Well, it generally works well and there won't be any issues if done properly.

Krakens are alright for a beginner, but like i've said, there is nothing wrong with asserting a 'better option' out there. If we seem like douchebags for doing so, our intentions are good because we have experiences with this and dont want a new player buying shit and getting all butthurt over the fact of it breaking down later on.

Edit : I'm just going to add this because its bothering the fuck out of me.

When people ask for advice, we give them advice. We have no reason to hate on crapsoft other than the fact, from a communities experience, that its crap. If the person behind the gun knows exactly what to do in the case that a gun fucks up, the investment on the gun is worth it, its not an issue for them to repair.

But when it comes to players that are new, have no clue what they're doing, and probably the least likely to assert themselves to send the gun off to get repaired by a local guntech. (Instead they go online and join the crowd of hate on the damn things) its just not worth the money put down. Like amos had stated above, the guns don't have much resale value so people that buy them usually have shit for luck. People get age verified to buy quality.

That said. If a person gives advice, we give them an honest answer, and suggest something more worthwhile. Too many people get riled up over simple shit like "Oh, thats not within my answer boundaries. Time to bitch."

Just from personal experience, I was the type that thought "Cheap is good enough.", but after a while of buying the stuff and not be satisfied with it, i simply vowed not to buy crap again and spend my money on stuff worthwhile. I've cleared most of the crap from my collection and take the time to save up and buy stuff that have a positive knowledge base behind and tons of support. People like myself buy the expensive shit for a reason.

It works great out of the box. (I'm not sure if you've actually bothered to use anything of worth beyond a kraken.)

Its truly compatable with aftermarket parts. (100% TM compatable isn't exactly the case with krakens. Go look through the huge Kraken thread we have here. Over time parts have been changing and 'loosing' compatability.)

It lasts. (Then again, things do break, but in the case of quality guns, its less likely. I've known, and many others have known that TM guns have run for years, many years without issues. I dont think i've heard of a clone thats made it past 3 or more of consistant use.)

One of the gears exploded on my brand new G&G AK after about a dozen rounds fired. Needless to say, I would not recommend one. Lemon? Sure, maybe, but I still wouldn't buy one ever again and frankly, I'm wary of G&G as a whole now.
In contrast, I picked up a full metal CYMA AKM with five mags from a fine gentleman on the classifieds for nearly half what the G&G cost, including shipping.

In short, if you're dead set on one or the other, I'd recommend the Kraken even having no experience with one. I've seen way too many problems with G&G stuff with the guys I play with. I'm sure their higher-end stuff is probably fine, but the Rec? No...

And if you think it's a hassle to go to Toronto just for AV purposes, don't feel too bad; I did the same thing, and it involved flying across the country to get there. ;)

i sell the dame things both of them and from what i have seen the kraken out does g&g
by along shot i have been around the block with all kinds of high end guns and at the end of the day the kraken is the best bang and fun for your money if your just playing with your friends. you don't have to buy high end airsoft to have fun. I've seen people have the best times with just a springer.

my friend bought a kraken about 4 years ago and it's still kicking, he stuck a drum mag on it and runs about 3000 rds per week. he hasnt done anything to it until about 2 weeks ago when he converted it into an rpk. dunno maybe he had a good lemon but imo krakens are pretty damn good. btw from time to time cabelas has a sale on krakens for about 99 bucks my whole team each got 1 haha. a kraken for 100 bucks you cant go wrong :P and btw the info on that site is wrong 370 with .12g is highly inaccurate, all of my team's krakens are stock 390 on .2g lol

I use 0.2 bio bbs on my kraken and even with strong Manitoba winds it still shoots straight for at least 100 feet. It's hop settings are also great but for the first few weeks with the kraken, I left the hop on 0% and it still hit where I needed it to.

The funny thing is I got it slightly used from a friend for $130 (no tax so your $99 are about the same) and it still runs smoothly. Apparently, the battery was charged once cause of how long it seems to last.

There are however a couple things that I don't like about it. One would be the fact the metal cover on the top is somewhat loose so throwing it in safety is odd (it pushes the cover) and rear sight can get moved slightly left or right.

My favourote parts however would be it's rate of fire, distance (even with 0.2 biobbs) and it's accuracy (the rear sight can be ajusted like a real ak though I'm not sure how accurate it is...)

So it is generally Unanimous that the Kraken is a better gun than the G&G AK47?

I'm a huge fan of the Kraken. Mine has held up ridiculously well to the abuse I've put it through and keeps on going.

Bought mine for $160 new, gave it a nice black spray job with Krylon ultra flat black. Tossed on a wood kit (just because I happened to have one) and tossed in a new battery to replace the one it came with.

Thing shoots hard and straight, only issues I have with it isn't really with the gun, its a mag issue. One thing you need to be careful of though is the body. Its not the strongest thing ever made, so just avoid throwing it around or smashing it into things. For a starter gun I don't think there are many options out there that are better. Best bang for your buck in my opinion.

WOA WOA WOA there. I love krakens but there is no way G&G gets ranked underneath them. Hell Airsoftgi one of the biggest airsoft retailers in America ranked it up as one of the top 4 brands out there including VFC. Krakens are good and G&G are better, and yes that Ak was probably a lemon RedZephyr. Mine works fine.

I would always choose taiwan over china made guns anyday...

I do realise that; obviously not all G&G rifles are bunk right off the shelf. If mine was the only problem I'd ever seen with one, I'd probably not even mention it. Maybe it's just been a bad batch locally, or something else entirely.

Either way, I find myself pausing any time I consider something with their logo stamped on it. Though the F2000 is so tempting...

I just built a suppressor for my kraken out of a couple film canisters, a pen, and some Kleenex... Its accuracy is the same though I think its fps dropped by like 20. sound dropped by 75%!!!

Besides it being a Kraken i can't see any relevance in this Thread at all LOL. But still thats pretty cool.

I wouldn't rank G&G up their with VFC solely b/c their low end stuff is hit or miss. What's ASGI's criteria for the rankings? Sales? Of course G&G gonna be up their ever since they flooded the market with low end crap. Since VFC doesn't make low end guns and the quality of their internals have improved, this automatically makes their guns better.

The problem is that there is multiple 'versions' of G&G

The crap - (Combat Machine)
Not crap - (Top tech)

Most of the stuff you see G&G in canada is Combat machine crap.

Thank you Pyrohair i love the fact that people are finally understanding that there is no point of arguing about a "toy gun" because we all have our own opions, freedom of speech and our freedom of rights if we want a cheap gun by all means go ahead and buy it its your money your decision deal with it the way you want.

Now about your decision my friend. I own an Aftermath kraken myself baught from Cabelas when it was on sale for $99 so i am extremely happy with it ca down a coke can with 2 shots from 100 feet away currently mounted a red dot and lazer sight to it. Soon i will be getting a madbull plack python 6.03mm barrel for it a prommy bucking, air seal nozzle and tons of different uppgrades for less than $150 this gun is extremely compatible and is 100% TM compatible so ya i honestly say go with the kraken but dont pay over $150 for it there are other sites that ship clear guns to canada and they sell the kraken for $117. so ya bro that my opinion and experience, take it or leave it and thats alli have to offer. Have a good one (P.S. example http://www.myairsoftarmy.com/store-c...s_3836069.html)

oh snap! a coke can from 100 FEET AWAY!!! OMG!!!! I am SO getting one of these AND A LAZER!!, those pesky coke cans will never bother me again muahhahah!

100 ft shot is fucking easy dude.

Try hitting something at 250 - 300 ft with that thing.

Consistently.

Then come back.

Lol it's not a sniper. Or a $300+ über quality overpowered aeg...

Overpowered is the wrong word to use there.

Most of the Manitoba guys guns (That I built) will be firing around 370 to 390 FPS where alot of Krakens, KJW M4 and MK1 guns fire well over 450.

There's a big difference in shooting a BB Hard and shooting a BB accurately.

it depends more on the weight of the bb and the head power (ie. Kraken ak is 1joule) then the fps. Right?

250-350 FEETTTTT DUDE ARE YOU STUPID????????????? I HAVE A Ruger Airhawk (canadian version) shoots at least 550FPS and its a 4.5mm= smaller less air resistance and heavier because its lead and shape like a bullet for aerodynamics!!!!! AND I CAN ONLY GET ACCURATE SHOTS TILL 250 FEET. An AEG that can compare to that gun is god and after my upgrades i can now shoot that can at about 175 feet at 370FPS (S100 spring) imagine if i were to put an S120 spring and see how much farther i can push my range.

and the whole misconception about FPS increasing accuracy, guess what, increasing FPS with a barrel with a bore diameter of at least 6.03mm does actually increase accuracy quite considerably my gun as an example i had switched springs and my grouping got much tighter i dont know how much more you can increase the accuracy with fps but its something to look into.

i can hit a 2 foot target at 250 feet with my upgraded G&G m4 its just the quality of your internals, the bb weight, and hop up/barrel. its not impossible.

+1 Armen.

I'd be REALLY lucky to get a decent grouping at 250 feet with an olympic grade target rifle shooting 495 FPS (I don't have a PAL so can only use <500FPS air rifles) using supermatch pellets.

Although I don't know about that FPS increase leading to tighter groupings, but whatever works for you (as long as you keep it within your local fields limits so everyone has an enjoyable and safe day).

Its challenging but doable with a good AEG.

Just a matter of knowing how to tilt the gun to counteract the wind, and usually a good burst will assure a hit on a mansized target.

I have owned around a dozen Krakens (6 right now) and rent them out all the time. I would say get a kraken. Downgrade the spring (or cut a few rings off) shim and relube the box and you will have few to no problems. I have had a some of my guns for a few years and anything that's broken has been cheap and easy to repair. I have had no regrets buying a Kraken.

www.mechbox.com is a great guide for getting the AK apart and back together.

Yeah I can shoot down targets that are a good 200 feet (ish) away. Just gotta use the right angle and hop-up settings. Course this Manitoba wind doesn't help half the time but you learn to counter it. It may take more than one shot to hit the target but hey, it's a cheap gun. Kinda like comparing a Dodge Neon with a Honda Civic.