New TMs, again....
 

http://www.hyperdouraku.com/event/pr...010/index.html

http://www.hyperdouraku.com/event/pr...010/part2.html
Highlights:
Gen 4 SCAR-L EBB, uses the new TM recoil system, shares the mag with the new recoil M4. Machined 6063 T5 upper receiver...blah blah,

M4 EBB "Recce", 16" barrel, long RIS version of M4 EBB...

Beretta PX4 Storm GBB, new TM GBB pistol....probably pretty good.

plus some other stuff...

The other Pistol are still only in clay/rapid prototype model form(HK45, XDm, M&P), still waiting for the 40 round 1911 mag...

Arnies' front page has a bunch of links to the videos.

A Beretta Px4 Storm?

Cool.

Now I can start my CBSA impression.

TM is really out of ideas if they keep swapping pistol parts and rebranding them as something new..

CBSA impression? so I risk getting my gun confiscated every time I go from the safe zone to the play zone? i don't wanna play with you anymore. LOL

They are coming out with an HK 45 next. im glad to see TM going the full metal route, as seen with their SCARs. I must admit i like the features of their new M4, and their M4 Recce looks awesome.

Still no GBBR.

wait TM is making a scar AND its not plastic? sweet

also that Px4 looks friggin sexy

You're going to go up to people at games and confiscate their guns? lol

The impression would be strictly for reenactment purposes :)

However, if I saw a TW 98K at a game I might have to confiscate it.

But a CBSA impression would be a hoot at a "Green Zone" type game.

That'd be the perfect Haloween costume. Calling everything a restricted item.

I stumbled upon those links a few weeks back... That XDm and HK45 made me reconsider investing in a glock or a USP :P

What? Did TM get busted for trademark infringement or something?

Super Electric Air Soft Gun?

Awesome trademarks. :P

no.. they export to the US where no realistic trademarks are allowed

TM isn't very popular in the US anymore, with all those cheap clones, reinforced internals, licenced trademarks, and metal bodies available for less.

I laugh at the fact that TM used to be "the standard"...

...and then I cuddle my RS Type 56.

oh man, hk45 is not the next one?!?

And yet, all those clones still need a lot more work and parts swapped out. Sure, TM's plastic and it doesn't have the trades, but who cares? I'll stick to my plastic fantastic over all these new "FULL METAL 1337" things anyday.

but Id rather spend $250 on some average meister or army metal MEU than a $600+ TM MEU with FMU kit, and I actually prefer the cheaper cast metal because its heavier than CNC lightweight aluminum, so it feels more realistic

Yeah, sure, plastic has its advantages. It's lighter, for one. And few would ever mistake it for a real gun if they got a good look at it.

I'd take a stock gun with a reinforced mechbox, one piece barrel, metal reciever, reinforced metal tabs, quality furniture, bearings, metal shims, a quality piston with a vented piston head, metal cylinder heads, and a good air seal over TM any day. I also hate body screws, fake wood, pot metal, and Made in Japan on my gun, but that's just me.

in your example the TM is alot cheaper though...

Not really.. a RS Type 56 isn't much more expensive than a Marui AK in the US, and you can get Classic Army / ICS / other guns that match my description for about the same price as a similar Marui gun.

I never even consider TM when it comes to AEG's, but GBB pistols...that's a different story.

Oh my, they are going to make an M&P!

I looking to get my PAL and RPAL very soon and I will be getting an M&P 9mm first and I would like to have matching airsoft gear. Then again I also want an SR-15 and I have an airsoft M4, so maybe I will keep airsoft and real steel different.

I may want the TM M&P, but then again I will have to wait for a better slide from Shooters Design and other after market parts, so maybe I will just stick with the Glock 18C...

Choices, choices...

That's for one of their "Boys" line directed at being starter guns for children lol

Marui....
The days of AEG are over for them
The days of EBB Recoil system will never come outside of Japan(too hard to disassemble, and too unique)
The days of GBB pistol is all you have outside of Japan
The days of GBBR is coming, but then again it was the very thing you tried to remove with AEG.

Honestly, stop thinking Japan is the center of the world, most of the airsoft these days are outside of Japan. Take your local skirmish has ~50 people which is not bad...but Russia its more like 200 people.

the scar looks nice, but i'll stick with my vfc

PX4 and XDM please

YES, finally someone else with interest in that XDm!

it always used to piss me off that marui didn't want anything to do with sales outside of japan.. they make a tiny effort, when really they could have gone big and pushed the idea out there.

they should have seen the writing on the wall for their old business model after CA managed to get it's brand out there, instead all they did was continue on the slow-methodical path towards obscurity

meh, companies that believe they can do no wrong all end up the same.. bankrupt.

My Colonial Marine kicks your border cop in the balls.

They don't even play to the same market...CA is HK based, Marui is like WA/Maruzen/Maruishin/KSC, all of their market is in Japan and we just get someone from there to export them out. They don't need the market oversea, but now they see the oppotunity to do so....

Not sure why the TM hate-fest everytime they announced some new products, yes compare to the abundance of clones out there now their guns are now looks like overpriced. But TM is like the definition of appliance in airsoft world. You buy them, charge it, and it'll run, sure your ACM clones might do better, some might even work for a while out of the box, but lots needs to be tinkered to run reliably, and not everyone is going to do that.

EBB might not be my cup of tea, but there are people who use them, and its nice that they are coming out with a brand new gun, with the recoil engine, uses their new gen M4 mags.

Nothing needs to be said for their GBB pistol, they just work....

A TM XD-M would be awesome. The double stack mag would be close to real steel capacity too (19 rounds). Give an option if you don't want to carry a glock, holsters are already widely available.

+1. TM started the whole AEG thing in 1990 and their technology and QC is now very mature and stable.

Their new full metal airsoft with recoil engine is still much more reliable than other brands. It really fits the "out of the box" players like me.

TM never seems to disappoint. Those funky coloured accessories look narly

:( you no like :(

As stated before, any company that feels it doesn't need to make more profit ends up with the rest.. on the scrap heap.

I love marui (first AEG was the then new(ish) SR16) and i do recommend them, i just feel that the company does its self no favours in the international market.

*shudders at the 'boys' line*

also: i'd love to run a high cycle off of a 11.1 lipoly... does anyone have a video of that?

Actually thats the BOYS M4 AEG, still an AEG but shrunken down for kids and runs off AA batteries.

EDIT: Amos beat me to it.

I like your avatar. Lucy's a babe.

Dayuuum those rifles look nice! I almost had no interest in picking up an AR until I saw the pictures.

So what is the difference between the "recce rifle" and SOPMOD M4 ?
Or am I a dumbass and they're the same?

Did someone say Full metal from TM?

If TM continues to make more EBB and push it out there, I believe it may take over the old AEGs over time.

I doubt it, They dont have stuff that outside Japan want...
Unique Magazine
Hard to deal with mechbox
Low FPS (280 is hard to feel it when you're shooting people over 100ft)
Hard to find parts

Their recoil engine try to resolve other competition's point but loses out ultimately.

recoil, GBBR clearly beats it, if not EBB from other system where parts are easier to find and replace

mechbox, they still have that hard takedown whereas ARES, ICS have easier time

last round stop shooting, PTW is bigger in this and still wins.

I beg to differ the new EBB system isn't hard to take down at all.

There's one MAJOR driving factor for Marui guns... QUALITY AFTERMARKET SUPPORT Prometheus and other high quality upgrade manufacturers aren't going to be making parts specifically desiged for your "DBOYS M4A1" They're going to support Marui and build the aftermarket based around that.

(a few months after Marui released their EBB system, Prometheus released quality upgrades for it.)

I'd think that if the EBB thing caught on, parts would become readily available, and clone mags would be all over the place.

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/pro-arms-...opmod-aeg.html

Bam. Gets rid of the "unique magazine" problem.

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/catalogse...&y=0&limit=all

All the upgrade parts you'd need.

that px4 is so awesome, i want one

Does the adapter disable the bolt catch? Know next to nothing about the EBB.

Not too sure actually, I haven't used one.. I think that's a relatively new part.

yeah it disables the bolt catch and you'll have the 4-5 bb's fall out of the tube when you reload like on a regular m4

mags are a huge improvement, accurate size, great finish and weight and you can switch from 30 to 80 round max cap on the lowcaps plus they enable the bolt catch.

mechbox is rock solid, the dude at eagle6 has been making custom springs for it that get the gun up to 400 no problem and reporting no failures. he even makes custom lipos for this gun now.

parts are available from a number of retailers, pretty much anything that might fail as well as upgrades.

recoil engine is awesome, it might not kick like a gbbr but the extra feedback over a regular aeg really enhances the experience. especially when you factor in the bolt catch, moving bolt etc.

it's all about compromise. you lose half the recoil but you get no cooldown right? that's a big deal. i hated how each shot on my gbbr was slightly slower than the last in full auto. plus it's a fucking tackdriver compared to any gbbr i've seen, can't really beat tm hopup. no worrying about filling mags with gas and beebs, no bullshit leaks (fucking we), no inconsistencies based on temperature, no spraying gas clouds, no retarded jams from poor lubrication.
the recoil on a gbbr is AWESOME but it comes with a lot of bullshit. if you're willing to sacrifice a little bit of recoil, this system owns.

unscrew stock tube, swap spring. is that too hard?

bigger in this? ptw has no felt recoil, no moving bolt, really pricy parts, more expensive (albeit awesome) mags, worse accuracy and a number of other gripes you had with this gun AND costs twice as much. don't get me wrong, i have a soft spot for ptw's but tm's really got something here and i'm really happy to see it starting to gain momentum.

Do TM's new recoil system AEG's use regular AEG springs? From what I can tell, the mechbox's are shorter now...

the mechbox is shorter but the spring actually goes back into the stock. the spring needs to be shorter but people have used regular aeg springs.

http://eagle6.co.uk/beta/store/products/