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Specs October 23rd, 2010 23:02

Madbull bbs
 
If you have any madbull bbs THROW THEM OUT THEY R GARBAGE. I havent seen anything about them yet but I put them in my RS Type 56 and now its F***ed so i am pretty pissed. The gun was brand new out of the box

:^) October 23rd, 2010 23:07

they worked pretty good for my classic army m4

inb4 shitstorm

HKGhost October 23rd, 2010 23:10

I've been using .28 for awhile now with no problems. maybe you got a bad batch.

Specs October 23rd, 2010 23:50

i was using em today and they jammed in my 56 and stripped something in my mechbox....right before that, crunch told me not to use em cause they r garbage

Styrak October 24th, 2010 00:46

Just because they don't work in your particular gun doesn't mean they're shit.
Settle down.

Strelok October 24th, 2010 01:01

I've had good results with their heavy weight bb's. (Namely the .30+'s they have) so I cant really complain. That and my last batch of .25's were great.

Though, Gotta remember, different airsoft guns are always picky on what they feed on, everyone has mixed results with mixed guns I believe.

pusangani October 24th, 2010 01:16

yeah their .30's are pretty decent

and you sound like a fuckin noob too, again join date means jack on this site

Spike October 24th, 2010 01:26

The local gun doc swears by 'em.

Able1 October 24th, 2010 02:28

Bastards and Madbulls are were it's at.

VooDooPeteK October 24th, 2010 02:41

I have put many bags of madbulls through my guns and never had a problem

maybe it was your mag that caused the jam or something else who knows but to say something is garbage from one bad experience is nuts. Take the top of the line parts out there..... I am sure if you talk to everyone that ever installed them someone out there had a problem or bad product.

Shit happens and we deal with it

Eien October 24th, 2010 02:51

Never had a problem using Madbull .20 BBs on my TM MP5.

pusangani October 24th, 2010 02:55

prolly had a jam, heard a weird noise, kept firing in the hopes of unjamming and stripped his gears/piston, seen it happen before, one weird noise turns into another more serious weird noise

VooDooPeteK October 24th, 2010 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 1337449)
prolly had a jam, heard a weird noise, kept firing in the hopes of unjamming and stripped his gears/piston, seen it happen before, one weird noise turns into another more serious weird noise


and then ends up in "oh Fu&k it was the BB's" lol

to the OP if you have a bunch and want to sell them cheap cause they are shit just let me know i will take them and I am sure many others will take them at a nice discounted rate

Sim123456 October 24th, 2010 07:30

I only use Madbulls bbs don't listen to this guy...

venture October 24th, 2010 07:52

I was told Madbulls and BBBastards are produced in the same factory. That makes a whole lotta people vouching for the output from that factory.

Blackthorne October 24th, 2010 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by venture (Post 1337492)
I was told Madbulls and BBBastards are produced in the same factory. That makes a whole lotta people vouching for the output from that factory.

They are not.

Specs October 24th, 2010 11:40

I didnt think so either but at the game I was using em and before it happened my buddie told me not to use them because his guns were having a peoblem with them and they messed up his internals as well. MY RS was brand new out of the box, it worked well for about maybe 400 rounds of these and its broken

I have done no poking around in the mechbox. I am pretty sure that RS is very good at putting their guns together. The only other thing that I could think is wrong is the mags I was using but i dont understand how that would do it.

Also I have been airsofting for over 4 years pusangani and I have had my fair share of internal problems. It would be nice if you were a little bit more polite. You can think of me as a noob if you want i could care less but we are all airsofters here and instead of lighting people up we should help each other.

On a side note I probably should have posted this asking If anybody has had any problems with this brand, my bad

Donster October 24th, 2010 12:02

Madbull bbs are ok. Nowhere near as good as bastards, but they get the job done. I would only ever buy them now for their .25 tracer rounds. Other than that, it's bastards for the win

Specs October 24th, 2010 13:47

Ive never had any problem with bastards so I think I am going to switch... now all I need is to get a new piston. I havent opened it But I am pretty sure the teeth are stripped

Kid October 24th, 2010 13:51

RS pistons are unique, so make sure you get realsword brand.

Amos October 24th, 2010 14:13

I find that madbull BB's are almost "crayon like" if you rub 'em against a black peice of paper you can pretty much draw with them..

I don't want any BB streaks in my tight-bore!

HKGhost October 24th, 2010 15:05

what bbs were you using before the problem? I still think you just had a few bad ones that f'ed up your internals. Even though I had no problem with madbull, I do find that their bbs are more soft than bastard. and that could be a problem for some guns.

ShelledPants October 24th, 2010 15:14

I've had bad experiences with Madbulls in the past, might have been a bad bag... might just be bad QC.

AngelusNex October 24th, 2010 15:42

Lol specs, welcome to the club, nobody i know in kingston likes madbull bbs. they suck ass.

Specs October 24th, 2010 18:31

Ok i think ill just switch to bastards for sure. Ya Im pretty new to RS so where can I get parts? Anywhere in Canada

Amos October 24th, 2010 18:35

Nowhere Canadian carries readily available parts for RS unfortunately.

You can get new pistons on www.ehobbyasia.com

If you need a tech I'm probably the tech that is most familiar with Realsword guns on ASC.

My team runs about 9 Type 56 and Type 56-1,

This year alone I've probably done full upgrades on about 15 to 20 of them.

Mentosice October 24th, 2010 18:39

my team and i here shot over 6 case of madbull .20 and .25 never had jam or break.
Also i wonder how did a bb broke your piston since tapet plate is loose and holded with a spring its not really related.

Ment.

StrikeFreedom October 24th, 2010 19:09

no issues with their .2/.25/.3. fyi madbulls are rated 5.95mm while bastards are 6mm

Specs October 24th, 2010 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKGhost (Post 1337634)
what bbs were you using before the problem? I still think you just had a few bad ones that f'ed up your internals. Even though I had no problem with madbull, I do find that their bbs are more soft than bastard. and that could be a problem for some guns.

Thats actually the only bb i have used with it, it lasted a few hundred on a separate occasion

AngelusNex October 24th, 2010 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentosice (Post 1337749)
my team and i here shot over 6 case of madbull .20 and .25 never had jam or break.
Also i wonder how did a bb broke your piston since tapet plate is loose and holded with a spring its not really related.

Ment.

jams barrel, piston gets held half way back from the air pressure then the gear strips those teeth that are still moving forward.
It's not the bbs that strip the piston its the air pressure caused by the jam thats caused by the bbs.

Amos October 24th, 2010 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex (Post 1337794)
jams barrel, piston gets held half way back from the air pressure then the gear strips those teeth that are still moving forward.
It's not the bbs that strip the piston its the air pressure caused by the jam thats caused by the bbs.

:( you beat me to it.

Renegade) October 24th, 2010 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by venture (Post 1337492)
I was told Madbulls and BBBastards are produced in the same factory. That makes a whole lotta people vouching for the output from that factory.

Blackthorne said it, I second it, this is FALSE. Dont compare or even begin to league Madbulls in with BB Bastards.

Crunchmeister October 25th, 2010 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex (Post 1337794)
jams barrel, piston gets held half way back from the air pressure then the gear strips those teeth that are still moving forward.
It's not the bbs that strip the piston its the air pressure caused by the jam thats caused by the bbs.

^^^^^
That.

Personally, I've never seen a good experience in person with Madbull. I know on my Type 56, they jam both the barrel and the mag. Angelus tried loading Madbulls in it 2 years ago in Petawawa and I had to end up disassembling the mag to get the BBs out. I tried them in my Hi Capa that day as well and also had feed issues on a gun that otherwise worked well. I think they worked well in my SAW though. I can't remember for sure.

After that, I don't trust them at all. I don't know, but I won't put them in my guns anymore. I can feed Bastards through that gun all day without any issues. Others seem to have no issue with Madbull at all. They were nothing but headaches for me. So I'll stick with a sure thing and stick to Bastards.

Sorry Sim123456. Because they worked in your guns without issue doesn't mean they work in every gun. I was there when this happened to Spec's gun. The BBs just weren't feeding right at all. His gun doesn't like Madbull. And considering mine doesn't like them either, I recommended that Specs not use them in his Type 56 anymore.

In my experience, Bastards feed reliably in all my guns, all the time, without exception. I've never experienced a jam of any kind using them, whereas I've experienced various feed and jam issues with other bands of BBs in some of my guns. So it's a no-brainer to me. I use what I know works.

coach October 25th, 2010 07:49

I've always had issues with MadBulls, with the exception if the tracer rounds. They don't feed well at all. Their polishing system seems inferior to Bastards and the BB's feel rough in comparison.

Oddly enough, I'm running the MadBull tightbores in all my AEG's yet the inner barrel is where there are jamming up most. Second is in the mags. The only way I managed to shoot through the bags I had was to put a few drops of silicone oil into the bags to 'slick' them up a bit. It's only a temporary fix as excess lube would need to be cleaned out of the hopup and inner barrel more often.

Now, the only things I allow MadBulls in are my 40mm's!

I'm wondering how many people without issues are running stock inner barrels vs. tightbores?

AngelusNex October 25th, 2010 08:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 1337955)
...I think they worked well in my SAW though. I can't remember for sure...

they worked well from the hicap mags but the midcaps jammed after about 10-20 shots.

Crunchmeister October 25th, 2010 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex (Post 1338031)
they worked well from the hicap mags but the midcaps jammed after about 10-20 shots.

I thought so, but couldn't remember for sure.

m102404 October 25th, 2010 10:27

I've shot bags and bags of their 0.20/0.28/0.30...they worked fine in SAW's, AEG's, GBBR, PTW and GBB. I shot a min of 11000 Madbulls since they came out in the big ziplock bags.

They fed fine (as well or as poorly...I've got some bum mags) as BBBastards for me. No extra lubing/etc. to do.

Their finish is not as good as BBBastard.

I do notice that I get much more consistent shots with BBBastard. They don't make a shitty gun shoot like a laser but in an accurate rifle they help squeeze out the most accuracy/consistency.

I have had 2 occasions where BBBastard BBs jammed the shit out of my rifles....one was with a FAL carbine with a 6.03 tightbore...litterally switching back to a mag with MB's would work, switch to a mag of BBB and it'd jam. The other was with a SAW...once the BBBs got mixed into the box mag it was game over and gun down for that saw. But it was an odd game and the BBs might have been compromised by water. Could have been just a bad batch....certainly not sufficient to say, "this is shit, never use it".

I shoot BBBastard now (the remainders of MB bags are just used for testing).
1. Because they work, they're reliable, they're consistent
2. Because Scarecrow & Co. are a good progressive force in Canadian airsoft...and I support that.

Tyrarn October 25th, 2010 11:33

Me and my friends used the madbull`s bbs all summer long with different brand of guns (CA, G&P, KWA, DBoys, G&G) with stock barrel, madbull tightbore barrel and Prometheus tightbore barrel with no problem at all.

Brayden October 25th, 2010 18:44

I use the .3s in my vsr, I find them to be OK never a jam but I also agree that bastard have a better finish as my accuracy is on par with .28 bastards. 400fps I am shooting at I think.

ThunderCactus October 25th, 2010 21:28

Everyone and their dog out here HATES flying colors BB's with a passion due to poor accuracy and LOTS of jamming issues.
And yet I ran 10 bags through my M249, and no less than 2 bags through my other 2 rifles with 6.03 tightbores. And although I agree they're 10% less accurate than good BB's, I've never had a jam.....
I blame poor gunsmithing :p

Boris the Blade October 26th, 2010 16:26

I've gone through close to 30k madbulls through 5 or 6 different guns in the last 3 years, using them every weekend, and I have yet to have a problem with them. All my guns had stock barrels, and they all shot well. Perhaps they don't work well with tightbore barrels?
I haven't noticed a major difference between madbull's and BBB in aeg's with stock barrels, but I have noticed that madbulls get nicked and dented when they are loaded into WE M4 mags, and BBB don't.

Specs October 26th, 2010 23:13

The barrel I ran them through was my RS 56....brand new stock, when I was adjusting my hopup a bb jammed and it raped something in my mechbox. I also ran them through by CA m15a4 SPR and I didnt have many problems, I think I had a jam once that also has a stock barrel


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