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Space Bot November 4th, 2010 00:37

Mixing BBs
 
So plastic soldier airsoft messed up my bb order, and now I'm stuck with a bag of .30g bbs instead of .25 for my M4.
What I'm wondering is would putting both weights of bbs into the same mag either A. Mess up my mag or B. Mess up my guns internals?
Both bags of bbs are both BB Bastard brand (If that matters)

Thanks a lot for the help, I'm still learning the gist of the "little" things in airsoft so all help is very appreciated.

surebet November 4th, 2010 00:42

I don't think there will be any damage issue, but different weights will fly in different patterns, so you consistency will be shit.

pusangani November 4th, 2010 00:43

.30s cost more than .25s and are WAYYYY better so count yourself lucky :)

don't mix them tho, your hopup can only be set for one weight at a time

m61a1 November 4th, 2010 00:56

back in 2008, to achieve the tracer effect:cool:, i used to mix black madbull BB with white cyma BB, both were .20 grams.

pusangani November 4th, 2010 00:57

back in 2008 when tracer units weren't invented eh? hehehehhe :D

Strelok November 4th, 2010 01:09

Back in 2008 I would've just used a tracer unit, lol.

Styrak November 4th, 2010 01:10

Don't do it.

WhatTheWho November 4th, 2010 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by pusangani (Post 1343553)
back in 2008 when tracer units weren't invented eh? hehehehhe :D

Uhhh?

Yes they were. A couple of years before 08...

pusangani November 4th, 2010 01:18

no shit sherlock that was the joke

Amos November 4th, 2010 01:32

Just use the .30

If you're shooting over 370 FPS you'll shoot the .3 MUCH better than you'll shoot the .25

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 01:47

Well right now it's a stock TM M4, I've uped the gears to handle a stronger spring. I was looking to put in a mad bull M110 spring into it. From looking at that one list (can't remember who made it) that should bring my FPS up to around 370ish FPS correct?
I know the .30s are more expensive, and I got them for the price of .25s but the only reason I was a little annoyed was because I figured mixing them would cause shit to hit the fan internally. And Now I have to make sure I deplete what's left of my .25 bag before I use the .30s.
Thanks for the help though everyone.

Amos November 4th, 2010 01:52

Nope, worst thing that'll happen is that your range will go down if your FPS isn't high enough.

I'd recommend throwing an SCS in your hop-up unit to get the maximum spin out of the heavier BB's :)

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 02:03

I have no clue what a SCS is haha. What makes the difference between a good hop up rubber and a bad one? I know a good one will help increase your range and all that due to the backspin. But is there a more complicated way that it helps improve accuracy? or is that basically it?

scurvythepirate November 4th, 2010 02:07

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Originally Posted by Space Bot (Post 1343584)
I have no clue what a SCS is haha. What makes the difference between a good hop up rubber and a bad one? I know a good one will help increase your range and all that due to the backspin. But is there a more complicated way that it helps improve accuracy? or is that basically it?

I am aware im not as experienced as Amos when it comes to Airsoft as a whole.
Although here is what he was refering to buy SCS: http://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/in...oducts_id=1593

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 02:16

Hmm, cause I was looking at getting a different hop up unit altogether. Unless anyone can tell me that a stock TM hop up unit is pretty decent and all that I'll need is that SCS unit

pusangani November 4th, 2010 02:18

you might want to consider a better hopup rubber as well

Styrak November 4th, 2010 02:41

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Originally Posted by Space Bot (Post 1343588)
Hmm, cause I was looking at getting a different hop up unit altogether. Unless anyone can tell me that a stock TM hop up unit is pretty decent and all that I'll need is that SCS unit

Stock TM hopup units and rubbers are excellent.

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 03:29

Really? Cause I was looking at it and it really doesn't look like it's all that good
Before I noticed your reply Styrak I was looking at this onehttp://www.airsoftparts.ca/store2/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=66_80&produ cts_id=1582
The reviews I've found have said it's pretty good. One guy said it's on par with a Prometheus hop up unit. Though I find that hard to believe.
Thoughts on it?

Styrak November 4th, 2010 03:47

If there's nothing wrong with your current hopup, why change it?

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 03:56

Because the previous owner of this gun didn't take all that good care of it, after my first game with it (you can see the result in more detail in the "Most embarassing thing you have done" thread) a number of the internal parts were broken, main things being the bushing broke into 3 pieces, 1 gear was completely missing half it's teeth and the other had half of it degrading bit by bit. I'm just wondering what's going to break on this gun next so I can shell out another $150 to fix it.

Strelok November 4th, 2010 04:03

Sounds like you'd be better off buying a new gun.

m61a1 November 4th, 2010 04:12

Quote:

back in 2008 when tracer units weren't invented eh? hehehehhe
Hahahaha....because i don't want to buy marui tracer unit for 100$

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 04:18

Yeah I know, I do enjoy the fact that it's a TM though, I expected to have to dump shit tons of money into it, just not after the first game haha.
I haven't gotten AV'd yet for multiple reasons (I am over 18, so no that's not a reason why) So looking at better guns wasn't all that possible for me.
Still, I don't regret it. Your first airsoft gun always holds that special place in your life, mine more so financially on what little I get paid haha.
But you have to admit, one of the joys of owning an airsoft gun has to be that feeling once you add a specific mod to it, then when you can't wait to game it next to test out how much better it is

Jeeze we've gone way off topic haha.
Last question, as usual my guns front wired, I was looking at this bundle package on airsoftparts that has a crane stock + 9.6v battery that comes with it, but no buffer tube. I want to rear wire it, would I need to get a completely different buffer tube as well? I'm wondering cause I have no clue how rear wiring a crane stock works. And I would prefer to buy the parts my self to give to the doc instead of them just using random parts I don't know about (The doc works at Poco Military)

Drake November 4th, 2010 04:32

Holy contrived shit, really?

If it's not opened just sell the bag and get another.

If not just use the .30s. I've used .30s in a AEP (TM MP7 with tightbore) and saw a major increase in range after proper hopup adjustment.

This whole upgrading/modifying the gun for a bag of BBs is complete bullshit.

Blackthorne November 4th, 2010 06:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Space Bot (Post 1343542)
So plastic soldier airsoft messed up my bb order

PM inbound...

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 12:28

Blackthorne - Replied

And Drake, the reason I'm upgrading my gun, err at least working on upgrading it is because some of the parts are crappin on me already, and I just want to upgrade it.
The upgrades have nothing to do with the BBs, but after my upgrade I most likely will stick with .30s.

fantastix November 4th, 2010 12:55

Upgrades and price differences aside, you'll just have 2 distinct streams of bbs coming from your gun if you mix the ammo types. The lighter stuff will be affected more by the hop and may fly up into the sky if the hop is adjusted for the .3

If you adjust for the .25, your .3s may hit the dirt 30' in front of you.

cellulose November 4th, 2010 13:03

Just want to say I don't recommend the MadBull springs, they are very inconsistent. I had the M100 and M110 and they both would jump around in fps.

I went for the Modify S90+ and S100+ and I am very happy with both of them.

Though many other MadBull products I highly recommend!

Crunchmeister November 4th, 2010 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1343624)
Holy contrived shit, really?

If it's not opened just sell the bag and get another.

If not just use the .30s. I've used .30s in a AEP (TM MP7 with tightbore) and saw a major increase in range after proper hopup adjustment.

This whole upgrading/modifying the gun for a bag of BBs is complete bullshit.

I agree 100% with Drake. You don't need to do anything with 0.3g BBs other than set a more agressive hopup setting. That's all. They need more backspin than lighter BBs to maintain a level flight path because of their weight.

Of course, they'll travel slower because of the extra weight, but you'll get much better range and accuracy (once the hopup is set) than you would with .25. And for outdoors, the heavier BBs have the extra advantage of having better brush penetration and will be less affected by wind and random air currents, which will result in better accuracy at range. That's why sniper always run .3g as a minimum for their rifles.

Guaranteed, if .3 weren't so damn expensive (on average, 3-4x the price), I'd be running them in all my guns, all the time. I stick with .28 because they're close to .3g in terms of performance and are much more affordable. But my pistols run .3g exclusively since I don't use much ammo there. I can outrange short and mid-length AEGs (shooting .25) with .3 in my pistols, and I'm just as accurate as they are at the far end of my effective range.

So yeah, be happy you got yourself a good deal there. It was a retailer error in your favour.

Space Bot November 4th, 2010 16:46

Crunchmeister - I was happy, I wasn't complaining one bit. I've been thinking of upgrading to .30s for a lil while now. just didn't have the money to buy em when I made my order.

aBseNtceLL - Thanks for the warning

Blackthorne November 5th, 2010 07:26

Space Bot - Thanks for the information and the opportunity. :D


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