Do Magnets screw up gas guns?
 

Yeah, i'm thinking about making a magnetic holster, but I'm wondering if strong speaker magnets will screw up let's say a gas 92fs gun (or any other gun with sufficent ammount of steel in it)

Finding and airsoft gun with enough iron in it to support it's own weight will be a larger challenge

Mass Effect style?

I've thought about this too actually. I have ideas to incorporate magnetic holsters/magnetic rifle mounts into larger ideas.

my uber gun hovers at my hip thanks to this l33t magnetic holster....
sorry

i dont see how it would screw up the gun, unless there where ALOT of loose parts or loose fittings.
my main issue would be how secure would the gun really be?
maybe a electro magnet with a momentary interrupter button to disrupt the magnet long enough for you to "unholster" your pistol

edit;
great now you got me thinking.
time to make a trip to toronto

The use of rare earth magnets (at least for military applications) is a no go. To many devices the field will interfere with.

BTDT

Airsoft? I can think of a ton of stuff, from mag holders to holsters.

How.....would magnets.....interfere at all with an airsoft gas pistol?

This question boggles the mind.

Seconded. Most lower grade metal gas guns are made of pot metal with very little to no ferric content. Higher quality guns are made of aluminum. Some steel aftermarket parts are available such as outer barrels, chambers, etc are available in steel, but those parts wouldn't directly contact the magnets and the attraction would be weak. With a lot of stupidly powerful rare earth magnets, you may get something like that to hold, but the movement would cause the gun to release. What you'd need is an iron frame and slide, and neither exist in the airsoft world.

And really, to have a magnetic holster that would reliably hold up the weight of a steel gun (real steel or airsoft), the magnets would have to be so powerful that drawing the gun would require significant strength and would make the draw very slow and unnatural.

I think the biggest problem is if this magnet is too powerful, you'll just have a hard time drawing the gun. And don't forget that if it's really powerful, metal objects will be attracted to you and that includes knives. Other than that, it shouldn't have any effect on your gun's function.

Re-Read post :D

It won't screw a gun up at all, but your wallet will be very unhappy if you are wearing the holster when chairsofting. :p

I think the first thing we should wonder for any application using magnets, is... fucking magnets, how do they work?


(That being said, it always depends on the design you have in mind, but I'm not sure it'd work because of the low (very, very low, like .08%, if there's any) of iron in these guns, but also because there would probably be iron dust (ferrite?) that would stick to it while crawling or getting low in any way.

1: steel slides will probably be the most ideal requirement for this (if not steel sides)
2: electromagnets can be turned on and off, so unholstering it won't be too difficult.
3: they already have magnetic holsters in the US, but those are mounting holsters meant for concealing your handgun under a desk or something of the like.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_i...od/ZAA-105.jpg
I'm an electromechanical engineering student, I know how magnets work: we did an entire course on them (motors). Iron dust does not cause problems: it just makes the magnet bigger (but does not change the intensity of the magnetic field itself).

Yeah, he's wondering about a magnetic holster.

And he's wondering if magnets will screw up an airsoft pistol.

Still doesn't make sense.

generally, the question breaks down to: do magnetized components in gun, due to prolonged exposure to magnets, cause issues such as jamming, misfire, overshooting/undershooting, missalignment or the such. (bigger part of it is probably the confusion about whether the potmetal will actualy act funny under magnets).

also, steel pistol parts are STAINLESS steel 99% of the time, and stainless is not magnetic

The i guess stuffing the handgrip with magnets is another possiblity. Although, if the gun has a mount on them, I could make my own magnet mounting

whats wrong with a holster?

nothing really, i'm just going adrift with all kinds of ideas for projects and whatever since i'm not really "building" anything for my school final year project; more of designing for a final year project. (No, we're not allowed to make projectile firing machines, so don't bother asking)

Don't worry I'm not doubting your abilities, it's just... well an interwebs thingy :D

Mounting a magnet on the rail (assuming there's one) would probably be the best/less bad idea (I can't say I'm a fan of having a magnetic holster when current offerings are close to perfect). I don't think having the retention done by the grip would work well to draw the gun... Also the slide is a moving part, so I wouldn't put too much constraints on hit.

If you actually got a pistol that was reactive to magnets, it would make a horrible holster.
Any bump or contact with any other object would probably knock your pistol off your holster/belt/whatever.

Im thinking the same thing.

Really, the reason you dont wear an IPSC holster on the field is that it doesnt protect your gun, this holster is the same.

Your sidearm is your backup to your primary. On the field it is one of the most crucial parts of your kit pertaining to your survival. When your primary goes down, you Reach for your trusty pistol and its ALWAYS there. It ALWAYS shoots, and its dependable and reliable.

You get one of these things, not only will it bang up your gun (which can cause jams due to mud/sand or w/e getting in the chamber or slide. It has a VERY good chance of falling off if your crawling or smack something into it.

Sounds great and all for a video game, but this is real life. It doesnt make any sense whatsoever, its not practical, and your overly complicating things to find a solution to a problem that doesnt exist. When it comes to survival (I consider a sidearm a survival tool), KISS is the rule of thumb. If you make a BOB or a GO bag, your not gonna stuff it with survival equipment that is perishable or prone to faliure. You'll take simple, dependable non perishable components.

If your doing it to dress up, have fun or w/e, more power to you, I just dont see any sense or practical point in doing this.

If you can get it rigged up I don't think you'll run into problems with the internal parts going screwy.

However...any magnetized parts will attract and collect iron shavings (i.e. like using a magnet bar to hold tools in a shop....the tools end up magnetized and always have bits of stuff stuck to them). Might not be a huge deal, but in general you don't want any extra grim/grit/junk in the workings.

If you're really set on doing it...you could try an L-bracket type mount attached to the pistols rail...matched up to a magnet on your belt.

It'd have to be strong enough to resist sliding/twisting forces...so you're likely to mechanically bolster it somehow.

Doesn't seem worth it really...if you want "the fastest snatch grab" for drawing...try an IPSC open holster

Ive worn my CR speed IPSC style holster for gaming ever since I got it, and as long as I dont roll around in the mud, theres no issues I have with it, and much more practical than a magnet

That's horribly wrong, it depends on the alloy, MOST S.S. are magnetic. It's the addition of Nickle into the alloy that makes it non-magnetic.

As I said: "i was thinking" thus why I wanted to get input from the community who knows this stuff more than I do. None the less, this and building a giant airsoft laser of impending doom is mostly just for kicks. But thanks for the input.

Im not trying to grill you or anything. Like I said, if your adament on doing this for fun as a project, more power to you. There are some really amazing things some people have created out there from scratch.

But I did want to make sure you fully understand the whole scope before starting something as ambitious as this. You will run into problems (especially with the magnetic capabilities of the ferrous or non ferrous materials) in addition to practicality issues.

I just wanted you to think about this first. Most people are half assed and dont really follow through with their ideas and end up wasting their breath and the community's time. That is something to think about when presenting proposals or ideas on the boards.

We want to see you guys put some thought into the idea first, not just put up "wouldnt it be great if" ideas. You said you're studying to be an engineer right? Do a feasability analysis on the project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feasibility_study), do the proper research and work first. Once you've shown that you put considerable thought and effort into the project, you'll find the community will be alot more open and interested in giving you ideas and suggestions for such a radical idea.

Lets see you make an electro-magnetic holster, that uses an RFID contact sensor mounted in your glove to detach the sidearm.

Id just let the battery die out to steal your gun.

A smarter way to do it is use a physical magnet, and use the electromagnet to cancel out the magnetic properties by inversing the field. That way, it doesnt constantly drain your batteries (Electromagnet of that strength would require tremendous amount of constant power drain). By using an electromagnet to cancel out the field temporarily, you would save on power, and prevent your sidearm from falling off when the battery dies.

Again, this is why i mentioned above, that you guys should do research before proposing things like this before the community.

Would that not get really hot? lol

It would. The coils would act as a resistor, causing them to heat up over constant use.
Another reason why you would have to use an electomagnet as a counter to a physical one rather than keep a coil on all the time.

Fail safe as opposed to fail secure. I'm with DarkAngel on this one.

Lol this is the most retarded thing I've heard all day, what's wrong with using a normal holster?

Seriously a magnet? So that when you run around and roll etc it falls off? Or is stuck so tight that you can't draw your pistol easily?

CAPS is doing a cert. session for new shooters soon, maybe you should join up, easy competition hehehhehheheheheh

Because one should and because one can are two vastly different justifications. This is the latter. DO IT.

That could probably work.

You can use a simple capacitive comparison circuit to detect when you put your hand on your pistol (assuming you would touch a metallic part). Think iPod touch screen or those light touch microwave panels. That is a passive circuit and will only eat under 10uA@5v (assuming you use a TTL chip, you can also do it with CMOS and remove the need for a DC-DC converter to power your board, but with the added chance of noise). A weak electromagnet would be enough to disrupt the field enough to go from rock solid to detachable and let you take the pistol. As soon as you remove the pistol, the capacitance returns to the original and the electromagnet turns off.

That is if you manage to make it work in the first place, just an idea like that.

You like ICP?

Ontopic: what's the point. Really.

just for kicks really, just something that came to mind when listening to a lecture.

This is airsoft. We don't need a point or a reason to do cool shit.

It can be impractical as hell and back, but cool as fuck.

Like a CQB Barret.

lmfao...who made a CQB Barret? I wanna see.

The idea of a magnetic holster would be similar to magnetic mag pouches no? Go get yourself a universal style holster, line it with magnets and start cutting away material until you're comfortable about the retention. Undoubtedly, DarkAngel's concept sounds the nicest and most secure, however you gotta start somewhere before you end up building yourself a $400 magnetic holster lol

Its up on Redwolf, I think it was socomgear who makes it?

Yeah I can't recall either, but the point is, it exists, and therefore trumps all of everyone's "practicality" arguments.

Practicality (real practicality, not airsofter practicality see: CQB Barret) aside, it would be a nifty idea to have magnetic holsters for pistols and rifles (ala Mass Effect, with the shoulder mounted magnetic gun racks) and if my Clone Commando Armour idea ever gets off the drawing board I'll be trying out the magnetic gun holder idea for sure.

Even if it's just on V1.0

Not true on two counts:

1) MOST steel pistol parts are NOT stainless steel 99% of the time... unless it's shiny silver stuff. Most are non stainless steel, with a good amount of iron content (I'm talking about real steel here.)

2) Stainless steel can very well be magnetic. It depends on the alloy.

EDIT a fugg, qlong beat me to it.

Magnetism doesn't exist only in metal, you just need to find the principles of proper use of magnetics. Your studies are a waste of time. Please use what you've learned to solve the formula, and repair Ed's Machine.
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...l+castle+&aq=f

YouTube - Mystery At Coral Castle

7:11 is the generator reference.