City police ask public force to register replica firearms
 

Story below,

It appears some idiot was walking around his apartment holding his airsoft gun and a passerby thought it was real.

http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/f...rticle/1376366

It doesn't seem like a bad idea to contact the police and let them know you have these guns.

Thoughts?

I dunno man..... I'm a supporter of the police and all but this passage frightens me:

What if someone (with connections) had a grudge against you? Lets say you have a PTW or a GBBR that you've upgraded, fixed and tuned. What then? You're then out $2000+ (what if you had real steel accessories on that PTW? A nice expensive DD rail? Real Steel Optics? etc.)

PS: Windows and blinds should be closed when handling airsoft guns but I don't think many people are as paranoid about that as I am.

Registration = confiscation. If you don't have to, don't. The police (shot callers, top brass, etc,etc) aren't, and have NEVER been on the side of firearms owners. This is just another means to tighten the screws on legitimate hobbyists.

Why should we have to contact police if we have said guns? a good 80% of AEGs are confiscated at the border because they CANT hurt people

Pfft, what is there to gain by registering replicas?

Lets say Joe Blow registers his replicas. A few months go by and he's playing dress up in his living room with a couple of them... A passerby sees, calls the cops.

Do you really think they are going to say, "Oh don't worry sir, I see here on this system that those guns are not real, go about your day, don't worry."

Nothing to gain, everything to lose.

While I can somewhat understand the screw up on the owners part (assuming that your nieghbors aren't peeping tom's), I do think it's not a bad idea to register them with the city police force.
This is a Fredericton By-Law? Do all cities have something similar? I would have no issues registering mine with the local police to avoid this kind of hassle. It also might be a show of good faith on the part of the airsoft community. Show the government that we just want to be able to enjoy our sport at our local fields and show that as a group we are willing to follow the rules and handle ourselves respectfully.

Edit- Apparently from reading above I'm alone in my thoughts on this...

At first blush the municipal bylaw seems organized to assist police in their own anxiety level. It is the possessor's life at risk above all if he's stupid enough to put himself in a position where police are guns-drawn. What I find alarming is the police's statement about the public's safety...

Rooster,

You're not alone. I see the merit in complying, and am prepared to do just that when I move into Fredericton.

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I don't see any harm in being legit and informing the local police about my weapons. If people are afraid of losing their guns, why play the sport? So many posts on this board have been about legalizing airsoft or making it a legit sport.. my question is how can we do this if we continually run like scared mice when the light gets put on us?

If you can't "afford" to have your gun taken, you're in the wrong sport and may wish to consider clearsoft....

Let the flaming begin.....

****edit****
If you know anything about law enforcement, you know that they do use the gun registry at every call they go to. Knowing if a gun is present in the house prepares them for a possible conflict...

and no, I'm not pro-registry.... but I'm also not afraid to comply with the law either.

agree with shelledpants and tdh.

nothing to gain. and i dont like the police always raving about the public safety. they are wrong. as tdh says only the operator is in danger.

if i am robbed at gunpoint, i hope the robber is holding an airsoft gun. whether i know it or not. if an accident happens i think the airsoft gun will do a bit less damage. how about you mister police officer? would you rather go up against airsoft or rs?

Alarmist press coverage sells product
 

No flaming:

I think if the police statement read more what is realistic then I'd have less of a pull-back. They are terrified, perhaps, as they should be, that their staff will respond to a call and the news article will read, "Police kill boy holding TOY gun". Call it what it is and maybe it's more palatable, but try dressing it up as something else and I resist.

I believe the major agitant here is the press. They don't understand what exists. You can tell by the way they describe the guns in question. They look for headlines and sensationalize in order to have a marketable product. Law enforcement is not number one on the offense parade...the press is. They speak in superlatives which are unnecessarily alarming.

In the end, is registration a good idea? Can it be completed with a modicum of efficiency and effectiveness unlike the federal registry. Answer that positively and most of us, I believe would be IN.

As a side note: If I purchase a legal product, legally, should I really be worried about having it taken away, money and cost and my ability to throw money away aside?

Give it some thought.

Put your gunz away
 

PS: Windows and blinds should be closed when handling airsoft guns but I don't think many people are as paranoid about that as I am.[/QUOTE]

Make sure there is no back lighting that can make a shadow on the blinds if you are ' Inside your house shooting or fondling your gun"
And yes I am paranoid as you are about these gunz and my next door peepers seeing them.
Even having them inside your house but in plan sight and not put away might get you busted buy just someone passing by, a Mailman, Hydro reader,or a Mormon wanting to read the bible.

JUST PUT THEM AWAY OUT OF SIGHT .

Gotta say I don't agree venture, it's not only the operator in danger in a situation like this. There is a possibility innocents getting caught in the line of fire.

I mean I'm not trying to say that registering our Airsoft guns with the locals is going to stop morons from doing stupid shit,, just like the gun registry (although it put alot of people in my city to work) is a joke in the fact that criminals aren't registering their weapons. It does let the police know in advance if their are guns on the premises and what those guns might be.

As for shelledpants comment, no I don't expect the cops to tell someone "it's just a toy, go about your day" But I know I'd rather have a couple cops stop by to say "Hey fuck nuts, close your curtains before you play with your airsoft" because they know it's there, than have a fucking SWAT team bust my door in guns drawn on the assumption that I have a real assault rifles in my home...

Wow the naivety and fail here is astonishing........You guys need to read u on Canadian civilian ownership of firearms in this country , get some history in you before you make such stupid decisions.....Talk to people that were there in 79 and throughout the 80's and the dreadful 90's......

Registration just makes it easier for them to come collect your airsoft guns when they decide they don't want you to have them anymore.
If you can't see that your daft. Fredeicton barely has a competent police force as is. Fear mongering is a great tactic to get the ignorant and uninformed on the side of the police when it comes to scary things that can't hurt you.

Also, Kurgan, just throwing this out there. The police do not use the gun registry on every call they go to...dunno where you pulled that from but it couldn't be more wrong.

I've seen:

-You're allowed to own any replicas you've had before the '98 (or whatever year it was) law change.

-You're allowed to own them if they're not replicas; they're unregulated (and thus too hot to game)

-You're allowed to have them if they're partially clear.

Every time someone asks about the legality, they're answered with "BECAUSE I FUCKING SAID SO, GO READ TEH FAQS"...which don't contain anything helpful, I've searched myself. Someone care to quote a legitimate government source regarding the legality of these?

What a bunch of horse shit...

1. Registering an airsoft gun will put you on a list so that if someone robs a store with a similar gun... you're a likily candidate.

2. As Shelled Pants had mentioned, if your neighbor spots you tinkering away at your gun, do you really think that the police will call off the issue because you are registered?

3. Do you really want to see your registration fee go to waste by letting the police know you have airsoft guns, AND our tax dollars going to waste on a system that will take up space AND put you on a list of people to visit in the event of a local robbery?


I think it's bad enough that we've got all these damn restrictions from importing, this is one extra piece of shit that people may have to deal with. I'd be a lot more compliant if the import laws were thrown out and Airsoft was welcomed to Canada with open arms as a sport/hobby. This would mean that they would have a huge pile of papers to rifle through making it almost useless to even continue the registration... AND what really gets my blood boiling is that I've spent hard earned money into the sport of airsoft, but they'd have the nerve to add this into that article, "The legislation further allows police to seize a spring or air gun and gives the chief the authority to cancel permits and destroy seized guns." That makes it totally fucked up right there... ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME~?!?!?!?!

The worst about this is that the wooden ak on the picture is not an airsoft it's an effing painball marker.Look at the gas hose coming out the back of the mag.

PARDON ME?

A GUY IN HIS OWN HOME. AND SOMEONE LOOKS IN THE WINDOW AND CALLS THE COPS? PARDON FUCKING ME?

Am I supposed to close all my blinds and live like a fucking hermit when I take my guns out of my safe? FUCK THAT.

If I have a gun in my house and walk by a window and some fucking retard calls the cops, I'd fucking sue him in civil court.

I'd tell the cops to politely FUCK RIGHT OFF when they showed up. This is another prefect example of sheep-like behavior that is running rampant, especially in the younger generation represented here on this board.

The cops should never have been fucking called. End of discussion.

It's not like the police chief can just pull names from a hat on a whim and decide "I'm gonna piss this fucker off today!", go get his toys and lets break em.

The point of that is that if you fuck up with airsoft guns, they have the right revoke your registration and seize your guns. I see no problem there myself. It's no different than a car, if you drive like an idiot you'll lose the license and possibly the car depending on what you did.

Handle yourself and your guns properly, and you have nothing to worry about. Just don't go out on your lawn waving them at the Black Helicoptors circling your house.

+1000

People need to wake up and start using there heads.

Registration is the first step to confiscation. Why do you think the gun lobby is fighting so hard to get rid of the Long Gun Registry?

It is not for that, it is a double edged sword.....The chiefs did that back in the 90's to firearm owners, they will use you for the slightest example to the local media. They will sacrifice the sheep when ever it is necessary.

Perhaps you should read the article a little more clearly there...
"The legislation further allows police to seize a spring or air gun and gives the chief the authority to cancel permits and destroy seized guns."

Police = Any police officer
Chief = Very few, but still has the power to rip up your peice of paper

I know a fair amount of police officers where I live and some of them exactly aren't as fair and open minded as you may think the majority of people are like. They've done some pretty horrible shit and to give those guys one extra easy reason to rain on a persons parade... well that's pretty big in my books

I'd be fucking furious to have my Systema alone be seized let alone destroyed.

I still prefer closing my blinds that having to register them.

Thats a lose/lose man. Hiding anything away make it easier for them to make go away.

I can read just fine, it's not martial fucking law here guys. Don't do stupid shit with your guns and they have no reason to come and sieze your items.

What it says is that an officer has the right to sieze guns, while the Chief has to make the call on destroying siezed goods and revoked registrations. Nothing more nothing less..

And what seems to being missed is that it's not a suggestion, it's a By-Law, meaning that if you don't do it you are BREAKING THE LAW. And I don't get (no matter how you twist it) how that would be helping our cause..

Meh. Doesn't take much away from me... if I'm testing my gear (which I do often^^) or just do some quick shoots, I close them. When I'm finished, I open them. Yes that sucks, but meh... Not a big deal. And considering I'm in student appartements, there's so many people passing by that it'd be just asking for it.

Now living in my house, in a suburb, would be a different story.

I'll never register my toy guns.

Their fucken TOYS.

If you are stupid enough to commit a crime with said toy you deserve what you get.

If you are in the privacy of your own home, like BT said FUCK OFF POLICE, but politely.

First Post, I just got into this sport.
Ex millitary and a sport shooter for 5 years.
Rant On.
The long gun registry works too. That's a real winner.
Who is going to pay for this?
Say "Hello" to the Daddy State.
Brainless morons legislating and banning everything. This is just another example of gun grabbers stiring up fear.
Just enforce the existing laws and expect personal responsibility.
I know many many cops and very few really understand the firearms laws as they are a total hodge podge of legistalion and implied laws:
Example My neigbor claimed he could inspect my firearms anytime. Not true he requires a warrant. That would be an illegal search.
He argued with me until my father in law (a really good guy and a lawyer) showed him the actual legislation and he had to eat crow.
Vote conservative!
Rant off!
Have a good day. DF.

Without a search warrant, the police need your permission to come into your house.

When will this fearmongering stop? Will we need to register every knife, tire iron, screwdriver we have. People are killed by them every day, actually killed, not scared cause someone has something shaped like a gun.

Know your rights, make informed decisions, don't just follow the herd.

From the text in the article it seems like that bylaw is already on the books. If so what year was it written in?

What a load... Let's go register our toys! If only it saves just one life guys!!!!!!

Someone should register a stapler or something else equally harmless just so they can say they did. Kind of like what one Brian Buckley did when he decided to register a Soldering Gun with the CFC. On the registration slip the Action is defined as "110 VOLT AC":

YouTube - Brian Buckley's Registered Soldering Gun

http://www.rfcsask.ca/cfd04674.html#Solderingiron

The fact this guy actually managed to get his Soldering Gun registered as a Firearm should really speak volumes as to the value of registration systems like these....

@ DirtyFecker: A fan of Father Ted I presume?

Anyways, I used to be naive. Then I smartened up and realized the real world is totally different than what you think it is, there's always an underlying reason for things that aren't explicitly stated. Someone somewhere is either making money from something like this (ie. Investment bankers or Chiefs of police to get more budget to "combat this epidemic") or they have an axe to grind (ie. Soccer moms). Now I'm ready to unleash myself on the worl (in 3 years) and shit on it. (While you're in school the world shits on you, once you graduate you shit on the world, that is how things work).

It was written in 1990, and redone in 2005. Although there was likely a long standing by-law that was removed or merged into this spring gun/airgun/firworks by-law


And just for the record (as to the confiscation issue)

2.06 Any permit issued under this by-law may
be cancelled by the Chief of Police upon
conviction of the holder thereof for any
offence under this by-law.

2.07 Any police officer may seize any firework,
spring gun or air rifle had or kept in
contravention of this by-law.

2.08 The Chief of Police may, at any time after
the expiry of 10 days following a seizure
made under the authority of section 2.07,
destroy any fire cracker, spring gun or air
rifle so seized.

but he doesnt even need to break the law to have it seized :|. and violation could be having it outside of a gun case or w/e in your residence and if youre neighbor happens to see it for whatever god forsaken reason. then in the time it takes to get througg all the legal bull crap they could just say you took too long and destroy it

Wrong, probable cause .. no warrant required.

report of a "person with a gun" will illicit a police response , they will enter premises without a warrant.

however I agree with Blackthorn, As a Licensed firearm owner I am 100% within my rights to handle my guns as I see fit within my own home,

someone calling the police because they saw me with a gun through my window is an invasion of my privacy.. I would insist the police charge the person with trespass

as far as "registering" replicas.. I don't own any.. all of my airsoft guns are unregulated firearms. No license or registrations required.

+1 to that!

There is no debate here. It's a by-law. As far as the idiot in the article, I hope he does have his shit destroyed.

It sounds like the majority of airsofters wouldn't follow the law even if it applied to them. Doesn't bode well for a group that constantly complains about stuff being illegal or laws restricting the purchase of guns.

If it were legal to purchase them from anywhere in the world, but the law states you have to register them, you still wouldn't would you?

I don't have a license for my cat either... and that is a bylaw in Toronto.

City Bylaws are designed to deal with problems.. and to enforce taxation.

I'd rather pay the fine... if cited.

to be considered as a unregulated firearms...doesn't it need to be powerful enough to wound somebody ? (just like the importation thing..)

just wondering since if so...I own a replica...wich is bad ? :p

No, They need to be CAPABLE of it. My AEG's are capable of hurting someone if I put an m190893 spring in them and a car battery.


Either way, Fuck this law they are not going to find out I have anything.

BAH why cant canada just do what the US does, why do we have to have stupid laws to prevent all this crap, the more you tell people not to do something, the more ways they will try to find a loophole around it.

and why are people so scared of people with guns anyway, so someones got a gun inside their OWN HOME big deal, might as well go calling the cops on everyone with a legally registered fire arm

Can you back you statements with law?

Probable cause is what needs to be presented to get a warrant in the first place.

What I've found.

"Any police entry of an individual's home always requires a warrant (for either search or arrest), absent exigent circumstances, or the free and voluntary consent of a person with reasonably apparent use of or control over the property."

exigent circumstances are : hot pursuit of a person believed to have commited a crime, to stop the apparent possiblity of physical harm to an officer or individual, or to stop the destruction of evidence suspected in a crime.

Most people screw up when the police ask if they can come in. As soon as you say yes, they can do just about anything they want in your house. They will usually tell you you will get in trouble if you don't let them in.

I agree that you will be visited by the police as they have to investigate, but that doesn't immediately mean they have the right to enter your house.

It might be different if you were shooting a pellet or airsoft gun from inside your house to the outside. But not just having one in your house that someone outside can see.

But why would you be holding a gun if you werent a bad person and going to shoot everybody!! only bad people have guns!

See bold... The lawyers can argue about it after the fact... and do

Remind me, please, not to argue with you. You're good!

* bowing *

I have a deal for the police.


I will register and pay a yearly bribe/fee of 50.00 for a license

In turn for that license i am allowed to import for my own use airsoft guns from ehobby. Redwolf or wherever i want.

I agree with Blackthorne and multi. Youre in the privacy of your own home. What the hell is this passerby doing anyway? If I happen to be holding something that may have appeared to this loser as a gun, then how embarrased the police would be and this loser to come in and find out its a f***ng mop! NEWS FLASH!! - Cops raid suspected homeowner with gun and finds a mop!

In terms of registering, its a waste of time. The police will still go ahead and press as long as someone complained.

But they are going to need to arrest me, before they can just force their way in. That part after the fact will not go well in their favour.

Honestly, its usually that people say ok that allows the police into their houses. When they come to your door, talk to them outside your house. If they ask if you mind them coming in say "yes". Its your right! They will usually try to make you feel guilty and may even suggest that you will get in trouble, but they still need you to say yes. Otherwise they risk anything that they find being thrown out in court because of illegal search and seizure! That is a great tactic used by lawyers!

Make then work to get into your house. Know the law. If you have a friend that is a lawyer ask them. Ask a friend who is a police officer if they are allowed to just walk into your house if they feel they have reason.

There is a long Youtube video by a law professor on this, and even the police officer (retired) who talks afterwards says don't talk to them, don't let them in your house.:rolleyes:

Geeezus fuck I can't believe the stupidity of some of the people here.
You idiots who think this is a good idea need to pull your fucking heads out of your asses.
People(firearms owners) are fighting to get the registry abolished for REAL FIREARMS, and you fuckwits are going against the flow by having an attitude it's OK for them to start registering TOY GUNS. It is people like you who are as big a problem as the fucking soccer moms. You all need to have your heads collectively smashed together.

If they believe you have an assault rifle in your home then they will be forcing their way in to arrest/detain you until proven otherwise.


Note, im not mentioning pistols or other legal firearms, i mentioned "assault rifle" for a reason.

Schlyder: Thanks for the intellectual discourse. It's VERY productive and progressive! ;P

And yes....
....if you are fondling your new RealSword AK in front of your living room window, and your neighbor sees you, and phones the cops saying he saw you holding a baby killing evil AK47 machine gun, and that you had a big scary smile on.... expect to see the SWAT team show up. No warrant needed.

And I agree with it 100% of the way.

But, the opinions expressed on ASC usually originate from two-dimensional thinkers, and the socially re-engineered... So it is what it is.

It's like still believing that corporations don't run the Government. LOL

Sorry.... had to dumb it down for the tards.

It would appear that those mentally challenged followers, of the "Progressive" attitude that firearms need to be registered, or locked up,or kept out of the hands of law abiding citizens of a free society, need to use the brains in their heads to do more than keep their ears from slamming together.

How is that???? More attentive to the tender feelings of the latte sipping man-boys?

I'm not going to try to change your minds, if I've learned anything since joining ASC it's that nobody on here is ever wrong and I'm apparently a sheep.

My last words on this is just that we all hope that the government will ease up on the import rules for airsoft, but nobody is willing to step up with a show of good faith and register the fact that we have airsoft in our homes. Maybe if the government saw how many 18+ people across the country actually use airsoft they'd get their shit together and change the importation rules. Look at it from their side, more individual importers means more taxes in their pocket..

I do like T-Hell's idea.. but we know that's not happening..

+FUCKING ONE
Anyone that thinks this is a good idea is an idiot, and should just have their AV revoked. By agreeing with this, you're agreeing with the police being able to take your shit if they so much as smell green gas outside your home, so what's the difference if we take them or the cops take them? The ONLY upside to this is that it MIGHT curb the kidiots buying up shitsoft from Canadian Tire(and that's wishful thinking). It will not end well, it will only end up with cops having new toys to play with on our dime when on a break at the station.

I understand your point completely. The gov however have larger fish to fry like gun registration as pointed out by schlyder. If they make this happen, and probably not, the rest falls into place.

What is the point of a registry only people who use there airsoft guns legitimately will register, it's the same debacle(A sudden and ignominious failure) as the long gun registry. No one with intent to break the law with an airsoft gun or real steel firearm is going to register it. Soooo what is the real reason they are asking us to register them?, thats my question. I live in frederiction and this issue is only a big deal here to those of us who play and own airsoft guns no one else is talking about this aside from the media and cops!

It's a real slippery slope to tyranny and it's well oiled with good intentions of law abiders who think they are being civic minded and don't see the slow erosion of their individual rights.

Next thing you know it will be a crime to offend somebody...oh wait!!...it already it is in this country(its an entire industry compiments of those kangaroo courts called Human Rights Commissions)

Tell me Kurgan...where would you draw the line on this assault on individual freedoms?

Ok let's get things straight here.

If Im in my window holding my Bushmaster and someone sees me the RCMP will most likely come knocking on my door and not break it down. That's not saying some might not, especially if that eye witness stated you were pointing said gun out the window at people which is a federal crime.

Now if you're pointing a "firearm" at people Police can believe the public is in danger so that gives Police the right to enter your home without a warrant.

The Police will need a warrant to search your home (although they can still search only with their eyes while conducting their duties).

Yeah, the sharpshooters, roadblocks, and random search/seizures were the government's show of good faith towards the Bill C-68 protesters.

I don't know about you (actually, I do - TOOL), but I'm done with being a nice guy, and allowing everything I own to be registered, regulated, etc, etc.

The long-gun registry made a lot of assholes rich... I'm not about to see more assholes get rich while the citizens get their sphincters stretched.

Exactly what I was trying to get across. I've got a WII game that has a gun attachment, so with what others are saying the police will come busting down my door to search it without a warrant. UNLIKELY.

They will come to ask me questions, If I act suspisiously they may go get a warrant and come back. If they see a weapon in my hands they most definately will come in, after telling me to drop it at gun point.8-O

Unless I'm out in the yard it is unlikely that they will FORCE their way in to my house without an invitation or warrant!

Remember people you only have rights if you exercise them!

What AV means to me
 

A couple thoughts. I suggest everyone in town go to the dollar store, purchase a dart gun and then register it with the police. Safety first you know. Maybe have the local paper on-site to satirize the event.

Second this is a city by-law. Those are reactionary laws sparked by either public complaints from citizens or more often than not one person with the Mayor's ear, or some of municipal politicians themselves. Always a knee jerk response to something like "those kids next door causing a ruckus". If there kids running around your cul-de-sac with Canadian Tire guns leaving orange BBs everywhere you can bet at some point the issue will come to a head. You may be able to remove this from the books if you create a group and lobby for it to be struck, or get yourself elected and work from the inside.

That is part and parcel of why 18 is firmly held to as a benchmark for owning an airsoft gun here. It's not just that the canned response of "you're now responsible for yourself", it's also an expectation you'll be aware of your actions outside of yourself and can realize that if you uncase your weapon it should be for a good reason and not just to skyline yourself against a picture window while watching an action movie.

The real gun shooters here are absolutely right that we do have the right to move about our house with a gun shaped object in hand and our neighbors do not have a right to peer in our windows and constantly report suspicious behavior to the police in this case, or to a bylaw officer if there's a pet in the house without tags, or to rifle through your mail and banking information since they feel something's not right about you.

The 18+ rule is an imperfect one as we all know there are people 16 years of age who can be trusted to act like an adult and there are even more people in their 20s who are less trustworthy than a toddler. Still it's the best thing we've got right now. Cases like the seizure in this story or the chain that would have led to the bylaw are the times you let that little voice in your head double check that what you're doing is a good idea and that's where your own personal responsibility comes into play.

A fucking MEN....and amen to Blackthorne this nanny state indoctrination needs to be pushed back.

Like I said though, you take your airsoft gun and point it at someone through the window at someone expect the police to come busting down your door. That's a different kettle of fish :D

It's a discussion about a city by-law and you gotta start tossing names around? Not once did I call anyone an idiot in this thread (unlike a few who referred to me as such) nor called anyone a TOOL.

Now you can happily go fuck yourself.

I missed all the fun. The important stuff has already been said.

You guys can guess what side of this debate I'm on.

die liberal!

Excuse me, that's Mr. Lieberal to you.

Dude .How old are you man..

You need a history lesson in regards to firearm ownership in this country, it's not a conspiracy theory here, they don't want you owning anything firearm related man. Just look at the trend of the last 40 years especially.......

Crap! Sorry!

DIE MR. LIBERAL!

:D

No, it's not Liberal, it's Lieberal.

Ok now you're just getting pushy....

I don't even want to kill you anymore, you're just a pain in the ass.... :D

as has been said many times, this registry thing is bad.
I am definitely not in favor of it, They might as well just force us to have rfi chips inserted so they can keep tabs on us (ok maybe a little exaggerated).

Correct me if I am wrong, but an individual with the correct license to own a hand gun, is also able to own an assault type rifle as well (providing it is semi auto only). is this not true?

therefore, if someone called the police after seeing you cleaning said m16 (as an example) a swat team would not be dispatched, just an officer to follow up (he may be a little on edge). So I think one would be just fine to inform the officer (on you porch mind you) that it is just airsoft, a non regulated firearm, and you are just cleaning it in the privacy of your home (being polite of course).

I would definitely take any relevant legal action towards the person that invaded my privacy by peeking through my window.

and that is my 2 cents

I'm guessing the same side as me. I am participating in this thread vicariously thorugh Carl.

Carl let me shoot his guns; and that ain't a gay joke.

keep your guns out of sight and you won't have any worries about nosey ass neighbours calling the babylon on you, and fuck this registration shit, canada needs less gun laws not more.

Just like that LEGO Gun in Toronto where someone called police because they saw a guy holding a gun in the window, they knocked on the door, not stormed in.

I propose a 10 year plan where members of ASC start working for the CBSA and various political parties and agencies as sleeper agents, when the pieces are all in place, they go active and repel and rewrite the gun laws.

NVM

if it's prohibited, you can't have it.
which means that if it's prohibited and you want to register it, you need to have a derogation or authorisation of some sort; afaik there is no such administrative solution available right now.
also I'm pretty sure the bylaw concerns pellet guns, and not replicas.

+1 ....people have short memory

Yeah, he is kinda fun sometimes.

I think he must get a throbbing vein pop out of his skull at the shit thst gets posted here.

I know I do, and I get an eye twitch too.

They could be nice and knock on the door, but legally, they are under no obligation to. If they are responding to a "gun call", there is sufficient reason to beleive you are either committing a crime, going to commit a crime or have committed a crime. That means they can kick your door in, arrest you and make your life hell for a time. You can protest, but your are either going downtown the easy way or the hard way.

The only time they need a warrant is for a search, and the reasons needed can be as little as your refused consent, or they have reason to believe you will refuse. They do not need to ask you. That is black-letter law.

Even though you changed your post, I still made the effort to find this, so I will post it anyways.

elsewhere on this forum it has been pointed out that 407 fps and higher qualifies for capable of causing serious bodily injury (Pointed out in a reply to a letter sent to the cfo iirc).

therefore any airgun (airsoft, pellet gun, etc.) that is capable of 407fps to 500fps (aka capable of causing serious bodily injury), is considered a firearm, but because they have a muzzle velocity of 152.4 meters per second (500fps) or less and/or a muzzle energy of 5.7 joules or less, they do not require a license (as is the case with pellet guns).

http://pub.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/index-eng.htm#a4

Another fun fact is that an airsoft gun is not deemed a replica until proven in court to be a replica.

for all of these reasons, all airsoft guns purchased by legal means, and/or brought into the country by legal means, are perfectly legal to own (even if we have them configured to operate at a safe fps (ie 400 fps and less).

If anyone finds a flaw in my logic, please tell me.

You have spat in the face of many men much greater, and more noble than yourself. On their behalf, go eat a pile of your own slag.

Or, better yet, go read a fucking history book, you prole.

Can you quote me the articles in the law that allow that, or can you quote current police practice to do this? Or is this your own opinion on how the police react to these calls?

That may not be entirely true. The judge will still have to decide on what those reasons are so its not a slam dunk on that warrant. There has to be more than just refusal....imagine how much power that is and how much it can be abused otherwise.

Would they really go out of their way and spend this much time just purely on a neigbour who happens to be walking by who may have seen something that appear to be a gun? They may send someone to check it out but not immediately banging in with a warrant.

I wish this was just an opinion. The use and challenges to this are unknown to me at this time. We will see.

From Bill C-6 passed last year:

I looked through the revision done in the Senate, and they removed the use of force component of the Bill.

Here's the updated link, it was harder to find as it was relabelled Bill-C36:

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Sites/LOP/LEG...Language=e#a12

Authority to issue warrant, not they can come into your house at the initial complaint call without your permission.

Thank you for proving my point!;)

No, quite the contrary. As per the Firearm's Act, they do not need a warrant for all but a dwelling. The conditions are quite clear on that.

Frome here:

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/C...II-gb:s_117_02

The dwelling house excluded by the Firearms Act is now covered in Bill C-36 as noted above.

or Premise OTHER than a dwelling-house. So like I said they can come in my house without a warrant. C-36 doesn't cover coming in without a warrant either!

You keep proving my original point.:D

No, your point was they need a warrant. My point was the reason for the warrant can be simply your refusal to consent.

So, you either let them in, or they come back with a warrant because you said "No". Either way, you are letting them in. Prior to this bill, refusal of search meant they actually had to have enough evidence to convince a justice to issue one. Now, they only need your refusal.

You are also neglecting the fact that if I own 10 or more guns, they are coming in, no need for reasonable cause or to believe any crime is, was or will be taking place.

I highly doubt that any judge or justice of the peace would grant a search warrant simply on the fact that you were seen with a gun in your house and you won't let the police search your house (it is your right to deny them entry without a warrant).

And a peace officer is unlikely to enter your home without a warrant unless they have a pretty good reason to (more than a nosy person peeping in your window).

For a simple gun call you are correct they would need a warrant. BUT if the person stated you pointed the gun AT THEM through the window then they would not need a warrant to break down your door as they believe they are protecting public safety since you just committed a federal office.

Agree 110%.

If cop shows, no warrant, no entry.

Come back with warrant? Gj, just wasted ur time. All the guns are legal.

Next. Counter sue the reporting bitch for invasion of privacy.

I wouldn't make that stretch. They have the force of law, as noted above, to back their play.

It's like saying that you think that a crook with a gun will walk away and leave you unharmed simply because you give him money.

If they weren't planning on using this legislation, it would never have been written.

...? Police can force entry and search without warrant..? Never knew they had the right.. Even if they did I think the evidence gathered can be excused because there was no warrant in the first place...?

Nothing like going off the rails.

Armed Infidel - I am a law abiding citizen. I may not agree with the laws, but I comply with them. I have nothing to be afraid of, the laws don't scare me. What scares me are people like you who believe they have "rights" beyond the countries laws.

Call me gullible, naive or whatever (ask the local airsoft community about me) but I do not tolerate bullshit. You speak of losing freedoms and rights? What are you a hippie?... Or just a university student with nothing better to do during his free class.??. What other things would you Bitch about?
Bitch about having to be 18 to purchase these "toys"..?
Bitch about not being able to import them yourself?..
Bitch about properly using them on the local airsoft field?
Bitch about transporting them properly (assuming you do, which I doubt).
Bitch about FPS field rules?

Lets see.. what other airsoft rules/laws have you bitched about but when push came to shove, you bent over and spread your cheeks and bit the pillow for?


but enough about schooling you....

There seems to be a lot of grand standing.."I'd tell the cops off" "fuck the neighbors" "cops have no right".. going on here.. and quite frankly.. this is not the type of talk that responsible gun owners should be engaging in.

Its' sad when the largest airsoft discussion forum is so hell bent on not complying (and only about 5 people on this board have to) with a simple by-law because they are either too paranoid (not a good trait for a gun owner btw) or too NRA (nutbars in thier own right) to reasonably comply if they had to.

Enough with the whining, bitching, moaning and fear mongering already...

Please close this topic.. it's become an embarrassment.

Thou dost protest too much, me thinks! Why did you post this thread in the first place? Oh yeah, to get people's thoughts? You got 'em. Perhaps it's your thread that generated and you are in NO position to berate the respondents.

That or you are a TROLL! Question your own motives first.

You know Kurgan showed a lot more Wisdom and skill in Highlander movie my friend...Also your Avatar is grotesque..

NRA nut jobs.....

We don't need your dead weight in the asc/rs community...

I think you actual deserve to have a taste of the law smashing down your door over some idiot neighbor over reacting and calling the police... Then having your property confiscated and made to go through a long process only to find out they have been destroyed and stuck with a shit load of legal bills. But then i think you still won't get it...this is not about complying with the laws, it is about new laws being made to fuck over the firearm ownership ability of the average Canadian citizen, there is no safety concern here in regards to "firearm handling/safety" this is just another way of closing the door.

You want more bureaucracy in the firearm world then that is just fuckin great, just what we need. I don't know how long you have been shooting for..but i can tell you right now the hoops people have had to go through to get the stuff we have in this country has taken considerable effort.

You Sir lack total foresight especially in regards to the last 40 years should show you where this is going. They tried complying and showing good faith last time, and look what happened and what continues to happen...

Gullible..more like you have a hole in your head....