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Caspian April 12th, 2011 19:59

My new film!!(all weapons used were airsoft)
 
http://www.youtube.com/user/T4Hmovies?feature=mhum

I'm the director here at my studio and we finally released out latest film. This is what actually made me get into Airsoft.
Hope you all enjoy!

R.I.T.Z April 12th, 2011 20:07

Awesome!

Mitchell12 April 12th, 2011 20:13

Awesome? I can't agree less I'm afraid, I was just watchin the scene where the chick owns them in what must be the worst fight scene I've ever seen. I'm not trying to slam it but I've seen way better Indy films and low budget films. Bad acting, Sea sick Camera man, Bad bad Costumes, OK editing if you like gravol.

Or to sum it up... It was Canadian.



I edited because I typed like a Re-Re.

Kalash April 12th, 2011 20:22

Should have changed videocopilot's stuff a bit, instead of just changing the text. Kind of lazy and immoral tbh.

Skladfin April 12th, 2011 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchell12 (Post 1446611)
Awesome? I can't agree less I'm afraid, I was just watched the scene where the chick owns them it what must be the worst fight scene I've ever scene. I'm not trying to slam it but I've seen way better Indy films and low budget films. Bad acting, Sea sick Camera man, Bad bad Costumes, OK editing if you like gravol.

Or to sum it up... It was Canadian.

lol yeah, saw that part... the editing was... well

continuity.

looks somewhat pretty though.

R.I.T.Z April 12th, 2011 20:27

well it is quite awesome.. could use a little work I mean its no FreddieW or PWNISHER... still awesome none the less

Caspian April 12th, 2011 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchell12 (Post 1446611)
Awesome? I can't agree less I'm afraid, I was just watched the scene where the chick owns them it what must be the worst fight scene I've ever scene. I'm not trying to slam it but I've seen way better Indy films and low budget films. Bad acting, Sea sick Camera man, Bad bad Costumes, OK editing if you like gravol.

Or to sum it up... It was Canadian.

Mitchell, if you have anything else that you've made that`s better than what you've seen - I'll accept it as constructive criticism, but I highly doubt that you have anything to show.
I do agree with you on the fight part and hand-held camera shots, but if you watch Battle: LA, although many mixed reviews about it, is basically Cloverfield, Independence Day and Black Hawk Down. And I found it amazing.
The reason for the fight scene where she kicks ass was shot poorly, mainly due to time constraints and a lack of storyboard. Now if a single scene can ruin an entire film for you, don't see movies.

Thanks for the other comments guys, really appreciate it.
We're not trying to compete with Pwnisher or Freddie because our style is different and we basically don't have all the fancy equipment, but they are of heavy influence to us. :)

Mitchell12 April 13th, 2011 00:11

I loved Battle: LA and Black Hawk Down. I watched your video with High hopes as well!


I'm not in the film industry but I can tell when something sucks.

I'm also not in the Sanitation and highway maintainance industry but I can certainly smell it when a school bus runs over a skunk.

I realize it's a movie and all but how the hell can anyone take it seriously?

It's not exciting.
It's not educational.
It's not erotic.
It's not comedic.
It's not interesting.
It's not good.

The first 4 min this is pretty much what you see.

http://funkaoshi.com/images/kool_haus_bright_light.jpg

Strelok April 13th, 2011 00:16

Well, admittedly. I do agree. Voiceacting could be a lot better. While screenplay, camera angles and editing were superb, a lot of minor things as mentioned above (The primary being the acting and some of the wardrobe choices) really seemed to detract from its potential. It really comes down to having your actors relax as they portray their character, rather than overemphasizing on speech and body language (Which is pretty out there in this.)

The lady with the 'accent' was a pretty good example of this, and the bearded man earlier on with the suitcase as well. Dialog was more forced rather than 'rehearsed', making it sound awkward.

The best advice I can give is to have your actors learn to rehearse their lines with a regular habit of speech, rather than 'rehearsing' as the script instructs them to. It will take a lot of practice and a 'lot' of honesty on your film group to get it down to a good, comfortable, and most importantly 'convincing' level.

Mitchell12 April 13th, 2011 00:21

What we've learned here is I must have an exceptionally low tolerance for shit. Goodnight ASC.

Strelok April 13th, 2011 00:25

Sleep tight. Don't let the rage hemorrhoids bite.

fi3re April 13th, 2011 00:56

I can tell you've spent a bit of time on this! A lot of these guys havent made films before and obviously cannot tell how much work and technique is involved to get up to freddie's level. You just need to watch and make more videos! Learn better shot continuity as a lot of people have said as well as better camera work. Visually It looks great though.

My two biggest things are audio (GET better mics, both directional and the ones that you clip on actors. Right now it just sounds so shot-with-my-moms-camera)
and acting. They dont seem like professionals at all, they need to improve a lot.

Love the end credits though, did you do that?

Caspian April 13th, 2011 01:15

Thank you Strelok and fi3re. We should all pitch in and get the guy some Prep H.
And fi3re, a friend of mine did all of the editing, he's great at it!
I agree with you, freddiew is up there because of his many video's. Everything you see that he posts now is because of his experience through creating his mass amount of films. I do plan on making a sequel to this(60 - 90 mins), and I'm actually looking for people who have their own gear to act as extra's during a giant firefight scene.

phloudernow April 13th, 2011 01:15

i agree, with many of the people, it sucks but its not entirely bad. it is your first short film afterall. all i have to say is that, your actors arent good, and they kinda suck other than that your cinematography and editing was pretty aite :) but seriously, you should fire all of those actors they suck and pretty much destroyed the film. the "General" WAYY TOO YOUNG, dun make sense having a super young general, you should have used the old guy in the office who gives them the assignment and switched roles with that young guy.

Mise En Scene was decent. just your actors are terrible hahaha no offense..... you should have looked for some theatre students or something where ever you live.. Im a film student and i know lots of hardwork was put into it, i just cant help ranting about your actors tho, terribllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

They need more attitude........ anyway props :)

spartan117 April 13th, 2011 02:03

Too much shaky cam. I could barely make out some of the scenes but i did have a general idea of what was going on. Some of the acting and lines were mediocre. I'm not a director myself but your directing needs some work. But it is your first film. Good job!

six4 April 13th, 2011 02:27

I found it quite entertaining actually, ( don's flame retardant suit and ducks for cover ) the sound was bad,wardrobe was a bit off,gas masks? really? Also after being shot near point blank in the back with a .50 cal dude wouldn't be crawling away lol. What sniper would shoot with his barrel sticking out the window? Windy sound scenes turned me off but I like the shaky cam the perfect hollywood stills piss me off anyway. Look forward to seeing more of this after it's revisited.

Ghostnote April 13th, 2011 02:46

phloudernow, are you a first year film student?

phloudernow April 13th, 2011 02:49

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Originally Posted by Ghostnote (Post 1446841)
phloudernow, are you a first year film student?

err yeah... why?

haha technically ive been a film student for a while now, i took film back in high school learnt most of the first year stuff already, to be honest i produced way better stuff in my senior year than my first year production

krap101 April 13th, 2011 02:54

Just some things I noticed:

The "sniper" was a bit too close to the "target" and the barrel thing as mentioned earlier.

Also, the guy's finger was on the trigger before was about to take the shot (and even before the safety was disengaged).

One thing I didn't understand, is why the guy couldn't get the explosives off himself?

Anyways, Freddie is good at what he does, and is a pretty hard standard to be judged by, but it's a good thing to aspire towards. Much better than my first movie :P (it was for spanish)

Ghostnote April 13th, 2011 03:15

=) I can tell by the way you used mise-en-scene in a sentence.

Caspian, don't be discouraged if not everyone thinks the video is amazing. Obviously there was a lot of work put into this. It was an ambitious first video but I think 15 minutes is a little too much for the youtube attention span. Remember less is more, you don't make your first game a 24 hour milsim, find the things you can do and do them well.

phloudernow April 13th, 2011 03:28

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Originally Posted by Ghostnote (Post 1446849)
=) I can tell by the way you used mise-en-scene in a sentence.
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haha well ill be filming some cool action scenes sometime in my second year, will be looking for extras and actors :D

just kinda copying the freddiew stuff with explosions and stuff but with more narrative to it

diamond_SEA April 13th, 2011 11:31

oh mise-en scene.

personal opinion. Desaturated color pallette works best when you throw in some striking colors in. When you crush your blacks your washing out all your color to the point of unnaturalness. use directional lighting but soften it with diffusion and that should get enough wrap around your actors to light the other side of their heads. Outdoors use some bounce to light the opposite side of their head so you dont loose their face in shadow.

Continuity was off. Storyboarding and blocking should solve that. I usually doodle out an overhead view of actor movement and blocking and then plot my camera positions.

Handheld was a good choice, but this is too much. Use a fig rig or poor mans steadycam. You should try to be as smooth as possible and let the weight of the camera flow and the movement of the camera add the energy.

Theres been enough said of the performance.

And take that dam auto-iris off, your getting shifting exposures.

THE BOSS April 13th, 2011 13:36

THe shakiness is adding to a sureal reception.

To much and it is distracting. I personally love a handheld image.

But like Battle LA - it was to much - especially on the grave yard. The director probably wanted to give the reality feeling. Our human eye is used to homevideos being shaky .

Homevideo = reality - since real people filming real incidents in their life. so our mind is making this calculation on its own.

Shaky = real

but too much is a distracting factor.

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I found it the notch to much in your movie caspian - especially on rather story related items...

the beginning unclear ness and shakiness at the first torture seen there - that was the perfect recepy - I had the feeling of beeing actually knocked out ( was many times in my life) and wake slowly up - it really had it there....

for the office and other rather focused scenes you needed not as much shaking but maybe more cutting - focus changes - indicating a secret transaction - going down cache cache.

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But before all and all - I have to say - Hands down - you did a lot of work - and that interest in doing this rather then sitting in a bar drinking beer and getting hammered speaks already for you.

I recommend to every critic if vulgaer and rude or polite and kind to try something like that on his own.

To me it is not alright when we attack rudely a youngster who puts his time and money and has to ask friends in additions to help a lot, into such a project - puts his best knowledge into it. Gives it his best shot with the equipment he can afford ( and this shit is so super expensive) - and is kind enough to share it with us - that we tell him it is shit - it sucks - you suck da di dada da

Not alright gents.

You did alright young man - I do like your visuals - you have the hang to the sureal. Love it. The rest is details - finetuning so to say.

But you have the gift of the beholders eye and what it wants to see or asume rather - if you go into the sureal

my two cents. since I do that little filming crap myself - but far from the abillities of Caspian.

a little look - let me know boys if you like it

YouTube - Teaser two - Terminators defeat - the EMP.wmv

R.I.T.Z April 13th, 2011 13:45

@THE BOSS
quite well done, sound seemed a little off (could be my speakers)
And the frame rate seemed a little slow.
Other then that it was quite well done.

I have tried making movies, needless to say they haven't turned out too well.
Well except the most recent one, http://www.facebook.com/v/1226031504633 could be worse...

Brian McIlmoyle April 13th, 2011 13:54

I stopped watching 5 minutes in...

just because you are an amateur film maker it does not mean your films have to be bad. I can deal with bad acting, I can deal with bad lighting, I can deal with bad camera work.. you are learning after all.

you pretty much lost me with the 2 guys armed to the teeth and one of them wearing a gas mask .. while in an office

I mean how did they get there ? and leave without the cops being called?

a good film will suspend disbelief... I should not be required to suspend my intelligence as well.

THE BOSS April 13th, 2011 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1447068)
I stopped watching 5 minutes in...

just because you are an amateur film maker it does not mean your films have to be bad. I can deal with bad acting, I can deal with bad lighting, I can deal with bad camera work.. you are learning after all.

you pretty much lost me with the 2 guys armed to the teeth and one of them wearing a gas mask .. while in an office

I mean how did they get there ? and leave without the cops being called?

a good film will suspend disbelief... I should not be required to suspend my intelligence as well.

I agree with you. I had this motion as well.

Gas mask - Killer mask - Office...? How did they get there?

The story would need a little work here.
Take the movies of Army of two - they have a switch board ( and a real pretty one ) to do the contract dealings.

THe two Heros are contacted in their privat life via phone call - briefed and aquired.

But I did not expect in that scene a mature man of rather CIA type looking office pencil pusher stereo type a guy. Sending his operatives out to kill and die maybe from behind his safe desk.

that was a good one. just the heavy boys in his office - I agree that would have to need a little refilming there.

and yes - the sniper hanging out the window and so on.

There is good creative input here Caspian - I hope you take the good meanings out of it - do not give up and make a even better one next time.

because you have the gift. the rest is learning and improvement.

Keep going brother

R.I.T.Z April 13th, 2011 14:07

Is not as bad as this

THe_Silencer April 13th, 2011 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1447068)
I stopped watching 5 minutes in...

Same here I'm afraid. When that random chick comes in and pwns the 2 guys I just couldn't finish it. Gas masks in the office, bad acting, shaky cam abuse, etc. Either get better actors and make it a serious production or make it obvious that it's not to be taken seriously.

Gato April 13th, 2011 14:17

I'm inclined to agree with this sentiment

"It's not exciting.
It's not educational.
It's not erotic.
It's not comedic.
It's not interesting.
It's not good."

I'd say good job but that'd be counter productive to my post

phloudernow April 13th, 2011 14:50

come on guys its his first production, give him a break :) but yeah though much is constructive criticism, its always helpful to spend more time creating your film than rushing it and it being shit. lots of continuity issues but i found it alright, and yeah i didnt even watch it to the end so i wouldnt know how the rest of it was, i just couldnt take the bad acting.

super Young general was making me laugh :)

redmond April 13th, 2011 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1447068)
I stopped watching 5 minutes in...

just because you are an amateur film maker it does not mean your films have to be bad. I can deal with bad acting, I can deal with bad lighting, I can deal with bad camera work.. you are learning after all.

you pretty much lost me with the 2 guys armed to the teeth and one of them wearing a gas mask .. while in an office

I mean how did they get there ? and leave without the cops being called?

a good film will suspend disbelief... I should not be required to suspend my intelligence as well.

+1. The voice acting made me want to stop watching in the first minute.

filewizard April 13th, 2011 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1447058)
@THE BOSS
quite well done, sound seemed a little off (could be my speakers)
And the frame rate seemed a little slow.
Other then that it was quite well done.

I have tried making movies, needless to say they haven't turned out too well.
Well except the most recent one, http://www.facebook.com/v/1226031504633 could be worse...

the video was removed from facebook lol

R.I.T.Z April 13th, 2011 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by filewizard (Post 1447147)
the video was removed from facebook lol

try again....

Specs April 13th, 2011 16:47

The gas mask just made it so I couldn't really understand him. It just seems odd to be wearing a gas mask all of the time, if anyone has done basic training they know what it is like to wear one. Just a side note, I really don't think an pellet gun should be used in a film like this, they are very small and I felt that it really took away from the realism which could exist.

I get that this is a low budget film. I think this has a cliché theme but there are a bunch of films which are so you potentially can take this idea and run with it. What you need is some expertise in some of the areas which this clip touches. Get some advice from military and paramilitary folk to get ideas. There is a lot which I felt could have been easily changed to add more because lets face it, two contractors or what ever they were wont just walk around in their drab all the time and nor will any soldier wear a gas mask unless its necessary

I am not a movie maker but this is my 2 cents. I think it needs to go back to the drawing board; less cheese, more realism, shorter more gripping clip.

Specs April 13th, 2011 16:48

I cant get it either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.I.T.Z (Post 1447154)
try again....


Infidel April 13th, 2011 17:24

I enjoyed the concept and the story, the cinematography could of used some work. I like the use of shaky Cam when there is action or the documentury style is going to be good.

But I thought some scenese should of been stabalized, would of been easier to follow. But thats just my opinion.

But I did enjoy it.

~Infidel

six4 April 13th, 2011 22:54

After watching "Ritz's" avatar I forgot what this thread was about,,,,,,,,,

old yeller April 14th, 2011 00:18

Awesome vid it was more then I was expecting for youtube keep up the good work.the gasmask is realy the only thing I didnt like other then that 3 thumbs up

Caspian April 15th, 2011 01:51

Thanks man. :D

Caspian April 20th, 2011 19:24

We're planning a sequel. :)

dantheman April 22nd, 2011 23:12

The idea and concept behind it were very well done, I enjoyed the short film very much even though there are a few things that could be improved (such as the hand to hand fight scene). But to all the people out there listing all the things that sucked about this and that don't have any movie/short film making experience whatsoever; it is not that easy to make such a film and get the acting all perfect, if you do think you can do it better then please make your own film and show us how its done.
Keep improving and keep em coming good job.
Dan

Brian McIlmoyle April 23rd, 2011 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by dantheman (Post 1452585)
The idea and concept behind it were very well done, I enjoyed the short film very much even though there are a few things that could be improved (such as the hand to hand fight scene). But to all the people out there listing all the things that sucked about this and that don't have any movie/short film making experience whatsoever; it is not that easy to make such a film and get the acting all perfect, if you do think you can do it better then please make your own film and show us how its done.
Keep improving and keep em coming good job.
Dan

most people who watch films will never make one... they are nonetheless the audience, and the critics.

Mitchell12 April 23rd, 2011 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1452612)
most people who watch films will never make one... they are nonetheless the audience, and the critics.

This /\

Imagine me showing my first painting (finger paint an boogers on paper) of a monster truck to the off roading community.

That's pretty much what you did.

whisper_kill June 14th, 2011 07:29

I didn't see the gas mask movie, but did see the terrorist movie. Although I completey agree that an amateur flick can be amazingly creative, well shot, well scripted, nicely paces etc... You have to give a bit of props for doing it in the first place. Was I entertained? Mildly. Could it be better, most certainly. I'd like to see a progression from each film released and most definitely don't try to create a feature yet... Cut your teeth on the short film genre for a while. Spend more time on story, character dev, all the things that ultimately matter and less time on video copilot goodies. But most importantly... Keep creating and learning.


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