To those who want to try and smuggle guns across the border.
 

This came to the attention of the ASC staff several months ago, the user in question back then had their age verification removed at that time.

We just received this via PM's recently. Said user is now pending court on several charges.

So keep this in mind when the members here tell you to wait, get age verified and visit the retaillers already established in Canada and who are doing it legally.


http://www.tbnewswatch.com/news/Default.aspx?cid=157081
"Canada Border Services Agency officials at the Pigeon River border crossing have confiscated a number of replica firearms from a Canadian resident.

The seizures happened on June 16, but the information was not released by the Canada Border Services until Thursday.

Eight airsoft replica firearms and four replica magazines were discovered in the vehicle and seized.

The driver, who failed to report the items, will appear in provincial court on Aug. 16 on charges related to smuggling prohibited weapons into Canada.

For more information about the right and obligations regarding guns or other weapons in Canada visit the CBSA online."



http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/media/pro...07-28-eng.html
"Prosecutions and Seizures

Northern Ontario Region

Replica firearms seized at the Pigeon River port of entry

Pigeon River, Ontario, July 28, 2011 — The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) seized prohibited replica firearms from a Canadian resident at the Pigeon River port of entry last month.

On June 16, 2011, a CBSA officer referred a vehicle for a secondary examination. During the examination, officers discovered and seized a total of eight airsoft replica firearms and four replica magazines. The driver failed to report the replica firearms even when specifically questioned about the prohibited goods.

The driver was released on a Promise to Appear at an Ontario Provincial Court on August 16, 2011. A joint investigation into this case continues between the CBSA and the Ontario Provincial Police Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit.

Replica firearms are prohibited from entering Canada under the Criminal Code, the Firearms Act and Customs Tariffs and may not be imported into Canada. The Customs Act stipulates that all goods entering Canada must be declared to the CBSA. Smuggling, untrue statements and other Customs Act violations may lead to prosecution in a court of law.

For information about your rights and obligations regarding the importation of guns and other weapons into Canada consult the Firearms and other restrictions section on the Information for visitors to Canada page. "


Notice the dates on these articles, these are recent, not "old news" So those who say it is safe to do, should recheck their facts.

Not all airsoft guns are replicas, but a great many of them are. Even if the gun in question is not a replica and has an issued FRT, don't think you can just scoot it on in undeclared or without the proper pre-import paperwork.

Might wanna add this link to the Newbie Tank: No you CANNOT import guns thread under the clause "HERE IS WHY YOU CAN'T"

should be on one of the clause before you sign in here.

stupid Friken idiots... when will they learn... Just get Age Verified and buy in the damn country already...

hope he sees some Jail time..

Its sad that this has to be posted

agreed tim

Wow you guys are jumping on people importing?

There ARE legal ways to bring legal unrestricted firarms.

Since he brought these from most likely a store, these probably wern't shooting the required 427 fps.

and he didn't declare them.

This is definetly not a statement for why you should only by canadian rifles. It's more of a don't be a dumb ass smuggler article.

However paying someone else to import legally for you is probably easier.

Big +1 to that!

Wheres airsoftfreak24 when you need him~

lol

I think the main point is do it all threw a retailer that knows the legalities. Dont bring it back in your mothers minivan and face jailtime.

No, the point should be to KNOW what you're doing before doing it.

I'm all for suppoting Canadian retailers, but when they're asking $800 or more for a gun I can get for $600 and change in the U.S. and bring back legally, they can go fuck themselves with their $800 gun.

LoL those guns are cheap plastic pieces of crap too total cost was probably around $200

If convicted i can almost guarentee he will. He is looking at around 10 years in jail. He has violated the Customs Act as well as the Firearms Act. They dont take that stuff lightly.

Well, I think we just found our user of the month...

But what user was it?

+2!! You can import airsoft guns, just follow the rules and you will not have a problem. The key is knowing the rules and following them. I imported one of mine no problem, had a chrono sheet stamped and signed by the dealer certifying the fps and proper receipts etc. I declared it, had to go in and show all the paperwork, paid some duties on it, and drove home. The dork in the article probably would have avoided all the problems if he had declared them and then had all the appropriate paperwork. Of course if you make a decision to try to break the law and get away with something and get caught you deserve what you get.

As for supporting Canadian retailers, I will buy parts, mags, bb's, and gear from them for the most part, but when guns are 30-50% more expensive and I can import the same gun legally I will have to pass.

canadian guns are coming down in cost a bit.

I probably wont of spent another $100 dollars within canada to buy my masada, and an additional 60 to have it shipped to me.

But if you know what your doing it's easy.

This is a smuggling article that had an airsoft twist so people are jumping on it.

I just can't help but wonder what would have happened if he had said he had them? I guessing the would have destoried them, then again the officer might have been meh toy guns.

Originally Posted by jakster
So what do you this? Tempted to give it a try. I'll talk to a border security friend and see what they have to say. Anybody else thinking of bringing their AEG/GBB

For my fellow Canadians, I have good news! We are legally able to bring our full metal/full black airsoft guns across the border AND get them back into Canada! No more needing to bring Cansoft or using rentals!
I have personally tested this process, so I can vouch that it works.
What you need to do is:
1) get all of the guns you want to take with you into cases/bags.
2) if you have them, get all of your purchase receipts for your guns.
3) Go to your nearest CBSA office (there is a list of offices on the CBSA website)
4) Tell them you need a Y38 form filled out as you would like to attend an American Airsoft game and take your own equipment.
5) They will ask to inspect your guns, and document them all on the green Y38 form.
6) If your gun does not have a visible serial number, they will put a translucent yellow 'Canada' sticker on the gun. (If this happens, I suggest using something to make sure it stays on: epoxy, clearcoat, layer of clear tape over it...etc, as they don't stick well)
7) Put the completed and signed Green Y38 form and all receipts into your gun bag so you don't lose it.
8) Go to Operation Pine Plains!
9) On return to Canada, declare you are returning from an airsoft game, and have the Y38 card with your passport when you hand your documentation over to the CBSA Border Guard.

I cannot promise that they won't pull you over and check everything to make sure, but you WILL be able to bring your own equipment and get it back into Canada.

If you would like more information, feel free to contact me as I have personally gone through this process successfully. Currently we have successfully registered: 1 VFC SCAR-L, 2 VFC SCAR -H (one with an EGLM), 1 VFC SR16ES, 1 Ares Tavor, 1 KWA USP 45, 2 Glock 18c, 1 P229, 1 Glock 23, 1 Magpul PTS Masada ACR.

Contact information:
email: matt@fullclipcanada.com

Bloodsport....just wondering if this is valid to your knowledge??...going to Pine Plains in October..haven't talked to Jakster directly(but will) but wondering if this is something you have heard about?

I havent chimed in on a thread in a while so this one is the one.

I am a trucker. I have crossed the border several times. I have invested a lot of time and money into geting all the documentation and clearence I can get to make sure I'm legit.

I have dealt with CBSA agents all across Canada at each of the ports of entry. The common mistake people make is that they are stupid. The next is that people think if one POI is tough, the next one or two over wont be. They are paid to know and detect what you are doing wrong. Never think you can out smart them. There are LEGAL ways to get stuff in the country yourself. I have done it. Im not going to say how because everyone should research and understand the rules themselves. This not only goes for airsoft but EVERYTHING and the first thing you will be told, if caught, is that ignorance of the law is not a defence in court. "I didnt know" won't work.

When I started trucking I was told this very simple thing. If I get caught doing what I shouldnt be, I will NEVER be allowed to cross the border again.
Is it really worth it?

It is true, for more information (its in the AV section) see http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=126986

I wrote that up after having talked with CBSA and another local user emailing CBSA/RCMP.

There are legal ways to get your stuff down and back and in theory legal ways to import, but I for one am not willing to risk my money on trying to import.

A lot of this discussion seems to be missing the point of the original post. The title of the thread was "To those who want to try and smuggle guns across the border." not "To those who want to try and legally import guns across the border." There are lots of talks, especially with people who have no intentions of ever being verified or supporting Canadian retailers, trying to gain advice on how to smuggle and bring prohibited items into Canada. There are many legal ways in which how to do it, but they either don't have the patience to learn how or don't care and would rather press their luck. They know it's illegal, yet still make attempts anyways. This is one of those cases.

This man didn't declare prohibited items in his car because he knew they would be confiscated. He willingly and knowingly attempted to subvert the law and failed. He will be spending some years in jail. Just because this is a "sport" or a "hobby" doesn't make breaking the law justified.

^ THIS!

This isn't about how to bring in airsoft guns, or licensing requirements, or CSBA forms, or for that matter, the overall legality of airsoft ownership.

This is about the CONSEQUENCES of trying to get around THIS COUNTRY'S prohibited items import restrictions. If you want to attempt to smuggle, if you're willing to go and break the law, when you are caught (not if, when - this is all about probabilities) you must be willing to accept the consequences of your actions.

If you don't like the consequences of your actions, then DON'T DO THIS.

Otherwise, I hope you enjoy playing Russian Roulette.

Not related at all, this guy was smuggling guns into the country, not bringing his own back across.

Wow, just wow. If you can't wait follow the rules set in stone, for a reason, you need to pay the consquences. Simple as that

+1

Ok guys, I realise I can't smuggle guns, but what about people? I really want a sniper, if I put him in the trunt and didn't declare him, would that be ok?

I imagine it would be alright. Just put him in the part where the spare tire goes and keep some water in there. Don't worry about air holes, I hear snipers don't breathe like normal people lol

Just watchout if he gets away from you he might nest in your roof and they are a right bugger to get out.

Hear banging pots together scares them out...

nah huge mouse trap with a pack of smokes on it. Everyone knows the coolest snipers smoke.

"The driver was released on a Promise to Appear at an Ontario Provincial Court"

Think he appeared?

couple beers too... just in case ...

Hope so. Despite having the hammer drop on him, I still can see a few way to damage control the issue, fleeing would escalate the issue way beyond it's current scope.

Then again, I love watching car chases on COPS, so if he does run I hope he makes it entertaining for the rest of us.

Why wouldn't he? He'd be in even bigger shit if he didn't.

importing
 

I have a friend who tried to smuggle in a gun once. He got caught too. The dumb part was that the gun fell into the unrestricted weapon. So it would have been legal for him to import, he just went cheap. They put him on a list so each time he goes through customs he gets searched. Dumb ass thing to do. I have brought many across declared them all and had proof that they were in the 407 to 499 fps range. It can be a struggle at times I have the law on paper from there web page and show them, no problems at all.
Smuggling is a dumbass thing to do and you deserve to get caught! AS for the Canadian retailers...well everyone is in for the money. Not advancing the sport, just money. So I agree buy legit from the states, almost half the cost!

It's never good when more negative attention is brought towards are sport. You should always know the legislation before bringing somethin controlled across the border. But smuggling is extremely foolish. Even smuggling a non controlled product will land you in jail. It is expensive to bring in guns legally. So a pat on the back to all the retailers who bring in airsoft the right way. And as long as you bring in the high end stuff, I'll keep buying it here.

Anytime anyone breaks a law that involves airsoft, you hurt us all. No one should associate themselves with these people.

Are you saying that you're allowed to buy a gun in the states (over 407 fps), clear or metal or black or wtv, and declare it and it will legally pass no matter what ?

Oh hell no.

No one is saying that, especially in a non AV section.

Try asking this in this in the restricted area and you will get more useful info.

YES!!!!

Yes and remember to tell the agent "that's what the Guy from the internet said!"

Wow ..... fkn wow man. I was about to rant on you but I decided my time would be better spent teaching a dog to drive a car than try to correct your frame of mind.

LOOOOOL.. I know a local that buys across the border, claims them legally and now has about 20 AEG's. Go figure to save a small amount of bucks cost you your ass.. Considering the Claimed AEG's at the border range from 10-50$ per lol.

If you read this as total BS make sure you know a person who has actually bought across the border and claimed the AEG.. I know a person and seen the paperwork to prove it.

I've brought guns in from HK, it's just a matter of knowing what to do, as spoken. BEWARE if you're going to do it by mail. Prohibited Importations Unit in Mississauga has no efficient means of testing modified guns at this time, AEG or otherwise. It will sit there until they do. I have been talking to them alot recently, turns out i have to either wait to have my gun tested (6 months or so)... it's a FinCode budget thing with CBSA, or ship it back to HK for refund (which most sites don't do) so needless to day i'm not getting my G&P SR25 any time soon.

just giving a heads up.

Well, there really is the gray area. Technically if a gun meets the Canadian airgun legal standards; then it's legal to import. Also technically the CBSA doesn't have to allow it in anyways. Even bringing one across that isn't legal will just get it taken from you. Smuggling is the big picture, if you smuggle anything you'll probably go to jail. It doesn't matter if your smuggling toilet paper. smuggling itself is a felony, not trying to cross the border with something that may be slightly illegal.

That being said, I still wouldn't cross with an airsoft gun, unless it was parts with "no receiver", or clear and not a replica. I've heard of people doing this successfully, but more than that I hear of people losing the guns and money. Not to mention if you do try to cross and you even declare them; you'll still probably wind up on "the list". I'd suggest avoiding this. Everytime someone has an incident involving airsoft guns it affects the whole community. The general public doesn't know exactly what it is we do. So bad news scares them, and that makes things harder for us all around.

As far a supporting Canadian retailers goes. I will buy from anyplace that has the best gear, reasonable prices, and a good set up. If they have that I'll buy from the goddamn moon if I have to. Some Canadian retailers are very good. And I buy from them as much as I can. As well as some importers. But many are not. Overly high prices, lowend airsoft, and badly stocked. Too many try to tell you that what they are carrying is the best, and charge to much for it. This I'm sure has caused people to try and ship guns, or bring guns into the country. To all the retailers that bring in top quality guns, and dont chew our arm off to get them. Thanks.

Why? I've brought Realswords across the border, IN PERSON, for someone I know, he's AVed on here but, like myself, thinks the prices retailers are asking is still bullshit, considering I can legally bring it in myself. The laws are clear, if you meet certain criteria, you can bring certain items in. Simple as that.

P.S. Don't bother PMing me for info on it, the info can be found with a little work, do something for yourselves for once. Also, If you PM me and are not age verified, I'm going to tell you to go fuck yourself.

PM'd

;)

Smart ass :P

cool! lol done it 3 times lol

testing

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Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Is it true?

doing your homework
 

i legally brought an AEG, ordered and shipped to a us address back into canada the key is to have all the paperwork showing it shoots between 366 and 500 fps i also had a copy of the cbsa memo showing the changes to the fps regs just in case there was an issue, got pulled in they confirmed it was an uncontrolled firearm that could only fire 6mm bb's i went paid my duty and was on my way. I cross the border biweekly since and havent had any issues but lying is just stupid and a good way to get screwed in the long run.

WOW
 

And Wow very insightful and on so many levels,.... but I'm brand new round here :cool: