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anthon September 6th, 2011 12:04

airsoft specific facility vs paintball field
 
So I have been playing airsoft for a few months and i have been left to wonder about something...What is the difference is between a paint ball facility and an airsoft specific facility. Obviously the mess of the paintballs is a big one,but i was more curious about the layouts of these two places. Would an airsoft specific facility do things differently in terms of environments and obstacles then that of a paintball?

Also, is there any plan/talks/roomers of an airsoft specific facility opening in the GTA/southern Ontario?

Thanks

Brian McIlmoyle September 6th, 2011 12:22

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Originally Posted by anthon (Post 1528095)
So I have been playing airsoft for a few months and i have been left to wonder about something...What is the difference is between a paint ball facility and an airsoft specific facility. Obviously the mess of the paintballs is a big one,but i was more curious about the layouts of these two places. Would an airsoft specific facility do things differently in terms of environments and obstacles then that of a paintball?

Also, is there any plan/talks/roomers of an airsoft specific facility opening in the GTA/southern Ontario?

Thanks

it's the same game... so no real changes in facilities needed .

There are a few AS only fields in Southern Ontario now..

Sasha September 12th, 2011 20:24

The difference is merely mesured in rainbow splooge on your BDUs.

kennysteez September 12th, 2011 21:55

i agree

Slow September 12th, 2011 22:15

I have never seen an Airsoft field with those PB Inflatable structures...

*Edit*
These things
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...dball_game.jpg

thpethalK September 12th, 2011 22:35

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Originally Posted by Slow (Post 1531301)
I have never seen an Airsoft field with those PB Inflatable structures...

*Edit*
These things
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...dball_game.jpg

I'm waiting for someone with the bank to back it to say CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!

R.I.T.Z September 12th, 2011 22:41

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Originally Posted by ksuechuc (Post 1531311)
I'm waiting for someone with the bank to back it to say CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!!!

Wasaga beach paintball indoor used to allow airsoft before the paranoia of the bunkers "popping" came in

Ricochet September 13th, 2011 14:53

Many games for each share similarities, but paintball is usually more speed oriented. So lots of low cover areas, tire piles, barrels, bunkers ...ect. Airsoft is more tactical, so larger structures, wooded areas, netting ...ect. But both sports can be adapted game to game to use anything really. I do notice however that airsoft fields tend to be larger over all. I guess it depends on what type of scrims you play for each.

Jackals September 13th, 2011 17:15

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Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1528103)
it's the same game... so no real changes in facilities needed .

There are a few AS only fields in Southern Ontario now..

All 4 of our fields in Ottawa are airsoft specific.

Blargh September 13th, 2011 18:24

Would an airsoft gun with 400 fps or so be able to penetrate those inflatables? Just out of curiosity.

deadlydayne September 13th, 2011 18:59

Honestly I dont see it anywhere near possible for an air soft bb to penetrate. Granted they are smaller at the 6mm and probably make it easier to penetrate but a paintball at .68 caliber is flying at say 3-400fps, doesn't penetrate or even try to break surface then a small 6mm bb flying at the same speed shouldn't even affect the bunker.

a_sock September 13th, 2011 20:00

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Originally Posted by deadlydayne (Post 1531789)
Honestly I dont see it anywhere near possible for an air soft bb to penetrate. Granted they are smaller at the 6mm and probably make it easier to penetrate but a paintball at .68 caliber is flying at say 3-400fps, doesn't penetrate or even try to break surface then a small 6mm bb flying at the same speed shouldn't even affect the bunker.

Absolutely no feild allows more than 300fps, anywhere. and a smaller, more dense(considering paintballs are made to burst, which spreads out the force, and surface area is a big factor in pressue(its pound Per square inch, less space with same force behind it equals more pressure) ) so there is some theory behind it, but considering the muzzle energy of the two I dont think that BB's would break a bunker.

I find paintball has more cover, and most of it is taller than airsoft, its all about running from cover to cover, airsoft has players using tall grass, brush and such as cover. Just my experience, but then Ive had 5 years of (serious)paintball and only played about 4 games of airsoft...

I also doubt that speedball/tourament style airbunkers would catch on in the airsoft community, I think we all have seen what happens when we go down the "they all shoot bb's" route, and we know speedball in paintball is mainly about putting as much paint down range as posible. Plus, Ive had better experience of people calling hits in airsoft than I did paintball....in a speedball/competetive(hundred thousand dollar cash prize plus big cash/gear sponsorships) you would damn near need to dig a deep hole in the other persons flesh before they admit to being hit...

I dont like the paintball slime, dont care about getting dirty but I hate sliding on the floor or loosing grip against cover. Getting covered in unicorn puke only hurts the game in a milsims other than operation taking back candy mountain.

FreelancerInc September 13th, 2011 20:06

paintball = designed to be crushed

airsoft bb = designed not to break

coach September 13th, 2011 21:12

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Originally Posted by FreelancerInc (Post 1531823)
airsoft bb = designed not to break

not entirely true! If it was, we'd all be using silica's!

FreelancerInc September 13th, 2011 21:18

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Originally Posted by coachster (Post 1531865)
not entirely true! If it was, we'd all be using silica's!

silicas do not biodegrade, regulars do, bios biodegrade faster, all are designed to not crush as our high end guns make them break in barrel

deadlydayne September 13th, 2011 21:23

Regardless of a paintball being designed to blow apart upon impact, for that split second its still going to have more pressure than any airsoft bb ever will. Theres a reason you dont see bunkers filled with air to the max where seams are ready to burst, they leave them under filled so that when a paintball or bb hits the bunker will give allowing pressure to be spread instead of popping. Think of it this way, Take a bouncy castle, lots of little kids...prone to popping because its always filled with air to the max, let air out of the castle kids bounce all day, no leaks no pops.

Ricochet September 13th, 2011 21:44

Not quite. A smaller projectile always has a more focused pressure. I've seen BB's stick into skin, but not paintballs. Paintballs can break skin though. Larger projectiles also carry more joules, which is why paintball tends to be less fps than airsoft. But BB's actually break apart often on impact anyways.

But I will never play airsoft in a paintball field, simply because of the paint mess. Not that there is anything wrong with paintballers, but I find the sports as about as close as football and rugby. Same basic concept or sport type. But way different methodology, in their purist forms anyways.

I also have to agree that I've seen more honor in airsoft than paintball, as far as calling hits go. Which is weird when you think about it, with the targets physically covered in paint and all. But when it gets bad in airsoft, it can be really bad.

coach September 14th, 2011 07:50

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Originally Posted by FreelancerInc (Post 1531872)
silicas do not biodegrade, regulars do, bios biodegrade faster, all are designed to not crush as our high end guns make them break in barrel

What part of your previous post spoke of biodegrading? What I quoted is your reference to BB hardness. Sure bios and regular BB's degrade and silica's don't but they are inert.

Have you never seen an airsoft gun chop BB's? If what you say was 100% true 'BB's are all designed not to crush', then you're wrong, which is why I said not entirely true.

Yes they are harder than paintballs but if BB's were as hard as you imply, you'd start seeing more broken nozzles, tappets, and stripped pistons whenever someone got a miss feed. Miss feeds happen and it's a ton better for a guns internals to crush and chop a BB over putting resistance against everything wanting to make it go.

CR0M September 14th, 2011 22:23

I dont like paintball fields that allow airsoft, I hate sharing the field... It feels like sharing the gym in grade school with the romper room kids... I just want to play a full court game but instead im forced to play a half court game while they toss paint everywhere

Jimski September 14th, 2011 22:28

I wanna build my own CS_Assault
need a millionnaire airsofter friend

thpethalK September 14th, 2011 22:47

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Originally Posted by Jimski (Post 1532447)
I wanna build my own CS_Assault
need a millionnaire airsofter friend

Fuck assault...I want a Mazar-I-Sharif airfield to play in. Complete with Bradleys

REMINIZER September 21st, 2011 23:05

The major difference in between airsoft fields and paintball fields is made by our ''nice friends'' (speedballers). Light gun, acurate, 25bps, running and sliding... So commercial paintball field are specially made for (speedballing). But they aren't always like in picture of the 4th post, with balloons and soccer grass. I do play Mil-sim paintball in a indoor far-west style field, but sometime I feel like I'm tire of playing with (speedballers) that why I'm slowly transiting to airsoft.

krap101 September 22nd, 2011 02:19

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Originally Posted by coachster (Post 1531865)
not entirely true! If it was, we'd all be using silica's!

When he guide spring in my vsr hop-up died, so it double fed a bit. I've found the only reliable way to break a silica bb... is to shoot it with... another silica bb...

a_sock September 22nd, 2011 07:23

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Originally Posted by REMINIZER (Post 1535786)
The major difference in between airsoft fields and paintball fields is made by our ''nice friends'' (speedballers). Light gun, acurate, 25bps, running and sliding... So commercial paintball field are specially made for (speedballing). But they aren't always like in picture of the 4th post, with balloons and soccer grass. I do play Mil-sim paintball in a indoor far-west style field, but sometime I feel like I'm tire of playing with (speedballers) that why I'm slowly transiting to airsoft.

No speedball/xball league allows over 15bps ramp, and Ive never seen a paintball gun that could keep up with an airsoft build meant for speed. Doesnt really bother me as much in airsoft, because with the greater variety of roles and guns it just adds to everything.

People do play paintball just like airsofters do, there are milsimers and such as well who play in wooded areas and feilds.

One thing I miss about paintball is the middle ground where it wasnt about weilding fancy space dildo's shooting 15bps or having to be extremely milsim, I loved the part where it was just me and my gun(pump action, I could outsnap speedballers and pop woodsballers before they saw me), and I could do anything I wanted with it.

Back on topic paintball feilds usually have more hard cover, allowing you to stand up more than I do when I play airsoft. In airsoft I tend to use natural cover a lot more.

Juke16 September 22nd, 2011 09:05

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Originally Posted by Jimski (Post 1532447)
I wanna build my own CS_Assault
need a millionnaire airsofter friend

We all know de_dust2 is better. ^^

Ricochet September 23rd, 2011 17:44

When I started playing paintball the field we used was heavily wooded with a couple small wooden structures, and a few tire piles. But airsoft events I find to be larger. Also fields that contain all types of play area within the game zone. Heavily wooded areas, up and down terrain, large to small buildings, ...ect. You could run either way with either game though. It's not like one field or another wouldn't work for either sport. I am a firm believer in not playing airsoft in an area that paintball is played in though. No one wants paint on their gear. I dropped paintball because airsoft has a wider variety of gear and playability. I've played paintball in a number of different field and game types. Also a high end airsoft gun is more accurate at a distance than a paintball gun. There are some amazing paintball guns out there, but they aren't common. The games themselves didn't feel the same either. Speedball right upto full blown milsim seems more exciting and tactical with airsoft. Just my opinion though.


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