WE vs. KJW
 

I'm looking at getting a pistol and I've been looking to get an M9 and for the most part I've been looking at WE or KJW, i looked at to many airsoft forums to find which one is better, and to find a good review about the 2 but i cant find a really good one, so i'm just going to post this up. i just want to get your guys opinion on both of these company's which one is better or which one is a better buy!

From what i seen and read WE is the better of the 2 but not by much so which one do you guys think is the better of the 2 and which one i should get if i were to get a pistol?

i also know that i am not AV yet but i am still trying to get AV ASAP!

Both are prone to breakdown. I see WE pistols themselves breakdown quite often. They seem like very unreliable guns. It really depends which type of pistol your looking for. I own KJW sig p226 its gorgeous and functions well. The mags are garbage on it though and require gasket maker to seal properly. If your looking for a really reliable pistol but you don't mind a plastic slide I'd go with a Tokyo Marui.

KJW

Yeah i'm looking at getting an M9, yeah i heard that about both, that's why i'm a little undecided on which one to get, I've been looking at a few KWA's to and TM i wouldn't mind getting either, i don't really mind not having a full metal gun either, but for the most part I've been only been able to find WE or KJW that's why i asked which one of the 2 would be a better buy,but i'm still looking around for KWA's and any other company really! If anyone has anymore opinions on different company's it would be good to hear it!

Get AV'ed and buy a TM.

^What he said

I like my KSC System 7, KWA NS2 is the exact same with white laser etching for trademark.

i'll give you some info on kwa pistol that i own and works very well after your av goes through :)

marui, KSC or KWA PTP
kind of a stretch, but I had an HFC beretta that was just a cut above the rest. HFC apparently has a good lemon rate though

perfect made me think a lot more about getting a new pistol! Make sure i get AV then i look around form there! thanks a lot guys!

Here's the Coles notes on pistols for guys who are new to them. They're rules of thumb that tend to hold true over time...they're general statements, and there's always the odd exception to the rule here and there. This applies to factory made stuff...not custom one off or upgraded pistols

1. There's usually a trade off between getting a pistol that's full metal and great performance/reliability. Lean towards the best reliability you can...because gas pistols are finicky.

2. Metal...not all builds are created equally. Too heavy and things will either be sluggish or beat themselves to death. To weak...and they'll just break.

3. Bigger magazines = more gas reserve = better shot to shot performance. That may not fit what you're looking for in a slim 1911 style pistol...but in use it's hard to beat a big mag with a lot of gas in it.

4. Common pistols are great....'cause there's lots of parts/pieces/upgrades/mags available for them. If you buy that funky WE Dragon chopped slide pistol...when it breaks (and it will), it's garbage.

5. Simple is better. A select fire G18C/G23F/M93R etc...might sound uber cool and flexible (and they are!)...but lots of fiddly bits in a "toy" that gets pounded with every shot is not a long term working combination. And once they go south...they're dead.

6. Different guns use different gas systems. Most use a NPAS system, others use a PPAS. The TM setup is very, very reliable. The KWA PTP system puts out A LOT of power...often more than what's allowed in sub 350fps games.

7. In the end...what you'll want is a reliable pistol that you can bang away with, that'll function every time and that you can easily get mags for.

What that all adds up to be....

....get a common TM (e.g. Hicapa, 1911 variant, Glock). Shoot the crap out of it until (maybe) the plastic slide breaks. Then replace the plastic slide with a quality metal slide and a stiffer recoil spring. Then continue to shoot the crap out of it.

Perfect! that is exactly what i needed!, and the prefect thing to help me with getting a new pistol! very good post! well appreciated!

The m9 is one of TM's oldest offerings. Comes with a fixed hop and isn't as impressive as their later models. KSC system 7 m9 is probably the best beretta on the market. It's the same as the kwa m9 ptp, but has nicer trademarks. If the FPS is too high you can drop in an NPAS for half the price of a new magazine.

This NPAS is only compatible with KSC's?

Okay perfect!
so correct me if im wrong but form what i can see i should be going with a TM , KWA or KSC M9 KSC and KWA being almost the same thing but some trademarks ( which isn't really important to me but its nice ) scarp the idea of a WE and KJW is still a decent pistol but if im looking for a more reliable gun vs full metal stick with either TM . KSC or KWA. Well all of these is extremely helpful! thank you everyone!

Western Arms SCW3 anyone? Those are nice pistols (in terms of details and feel) but definitely pricey (and I'm not sure of the performance of them). Other than that go KSC/KWA, or TM.

As for cheap pistols, a lot of people seem to have them just to have them. I saw one guy with a WE 3.8 Baby Hi-Capa that would vent gas like a mofo on the mags that didn't leak. I have a KSC Glock myself and that's my workhorse pistol. If I were to do it over again I'd still stick with the KSC Glock, it's actually great for close engagements but no further (I only pull it out if I'm engaging below my MED's).

@ sundae: You don't really need an NPAS for gas pistols, that's moreso for gas rifles that usually shoot too hot for field limits.

western arms pistols are overpriced movie guns, they're not meant for field combat lol

that is total bull shit, I have a stock WA SV6 that I game primary every week because it shoots 350 FPS and perfectly accurate out past more than 120 feet, its shoots better than most of the rifles that I see, and you can get used WA guns for very competetive prices in canada, I've bought two different fully functional WA pistols for $100 apiece

Thanks.

They are hard to get parts to fix though.....for post purchase servicing I'd definitely stick with TM for that reason....

I agree with RacingManiac. I have both a TM 1911 and a WA 1911 and I prefer the look and feel of the WA but sourcing replacement parts is very hard. Extra mags are usually $65 not including shipping but I never find them in stock. I need a new feed lip for the WA magazine and I have only found them on UNC.

The TM is great because replacement parts and upgrade parts are readily available as well as extra mags. Playing with a pistol isn't as fun if you only have one mag for it.

And I still haven't attempted to fix a WA mag for leaks yet. TM mags are easy to work on....

My WA mag doesn't have a leak issue even though the previous owner dropped the mag as damaged it. I just have the feed lip problem. I wish I could find at least one extra mag for it. I have 3 mags for all my pistols except this one

okay so if i wanted to get a full metal, i know there is a lot out there but for taurus and KJW there pretty much the same thing right ? so if i had to go with a full metal would a taurus be a good gun to get? putting into consideration that i wanted a full metal gun no matter what i just needed a metal gun so would this be a good choice to go with ?

I don't know what's Taurus, but KJW is a TM clone, which would make its eventually broken parts easier to fix...

yeah Taurus is a trademark form cybergun i do believe and its almost the same thing or the exact same thing as KJW. and i do believe both have are similar enough to be using the same parts

cybergun taurus Beretta is made by KJW last I saw so yes same thing different trademarks.

yeah i though it was to! just had to make sure that's all!

How upgraded is it? Stock on 134a gas, they kind of suck for gaming. Velocity isn't everything, but 210-220 fps kinda blows. For the price of a stock WA, you're better off with a TM or KSC/KWA pistol.

i said its stock, and i run it on propane, had a pin in the hammer bent when i bought it and took about 5 minutes to fix it and it runs like a dream 350 FPS on propane

*edit* death, I have a set of feed lip from a single stack mag, it may fit your gun, i think the single stack and double stack feed lips are the same

@ OP so this post isnt totally off topic: Id generally take KJW over WE, as the lesser of two evils, but still not very good