KJW or WE GBBRs?
 

Which is better in your opinion? Please explain why.

KJW in terms of overall reliability out of the box. If you buy a WE, plan on spending another $200 on RA-Tech upgrades to make it field able.

Not my experience.. I have had several guns go well over 30 000 rounds on stock parts.

Okay, but we all know how meticulous you are with your guns Brian :). I'm just speaking from my personal experience where I've seen people's WE breaking down a lot more often then mine or my friends KJW M4. I am biased though.

Depends on what qualifies as 'better' in your eyes.

From my observation:

KJW is reliable as hell. I own their 1022/KC02 model and its been amazing. Fun unique little gun too. I hear nothing but good things in terms of their M4's internal performance. Though they do look kinda crappy externally, with a strange finish to the metal and some reports of a more brittle metal used in the receiver. A friend down south says his receiver is starting to crack a little at the neck of the gun, between the delta ring and the receiver itself. He cradles that thing like a baby.

As for WE. Externally, they're beautiful, wide selection of guns and bear an excessive amount of aftermarket parts to chose from.
Thats for a reason, though. Depending on the gun you get, you'll find little quirks in the building materials that WE mysteriously decided to cheap out on. The AKS74U having a very cheap pot metal for the trigger mechanism parts. Or using a brittle plastic for the loading nozzle rails on the M14.

Overall, if you have a deep pocket full of money, WE is the way to go. Once you have the rifle built (Think of their stock guns like a shell) the rest falls in within a reasonable price. 40 dollars for a magazine is nice, compared to the 70 or so that KJW costs.

Either way, Both are good. Just weigh what you feel is more important, and what you're more comfortable investing in.

100% agree,

there are people who are had core believers of each system.. it's very hard to say "what is best"

kinda like asking what is "the best" flavour of ice cream

Half the people I know with WE ended up replacing everything inside...which also caused some other problems later down the road.

The other half, myself included have had very very little trouble with these guns and have changed nothing except an NPAS or a smushed nozzle.

Never tried a KJW, simply because I had easier and cheaper access to WE guns. Nothing against them though.

I'm not saying the KJW is perfect, if you have the V1 bolt, stock up on elastics... and the V2 bolt wears down the bolt catch a lot faster. The RA-Tech NPAS is complete crap though. While the Cradle Velocity Adjuster is great. Not many aftermarket internals available for the KJW, but it doesn't need many.

I am am not necessarily stating which is better as I have only the one but I have been running a KJW M4 for almost a year now and have not had one single problem. In the very near future I will be doing some slight upgrades as it is still stock.

KJW M4

I've ran a few KJW M4's and each one worked amazingly.
Internals were never switched, right now on my main KJW M4, I have an upgraded piston and velocity reducer. V2 bolt is on the to buy list, haven't had a single problem with the version one. The magazine design on the KJW's are genius (when comparing to the WE mags).
Out of the box, KJW is far better than the WE. *EDIT* In my opinion. ;)

My brother runs a WE PDW, magazines are finicky and internals are just as susceptible to failure. Like people have stated, once you replace the internals with RA-Tech parts you're looking at just as good as KJW's internals.

I stand by my KJW M4, the only brand to replace KJW for a GBBR would be Inokatsu.

As for the magazine issues, all 8 of my KJW M4 magazines are perfect (have yet to replace anything) and I have had them for
about a year and a half. I even left my magazines in my gear bag empty for about 6 months without even touching them. Not one leaked.

WE gun just like Honda Civic, there are so many parts in the market for the replacement or upgrade, but KJW......., I don't feel good on it, besides, KJW guns never got trademark on it

Not having aftermarket accessories can also be a good thing. You don't need to replace anything really on the KJW, why would I buy a WE and spend more to replace the internals so they're on par with the KJ?

And since when do trademarks show how reliable a gun is?

The other thing to keep in mind is most ppl with we experience are talking about the m4. We has made numerous improvements to their later models. I just bought a g36 (g39) and from my research and a convo with the people at Toronto airsoft, the g36 doesn't need nearly as much work out of the box when compared to the m4/PDW/scar. the mag costs a bit more but it is a 3 chamber design so it stands that it would cost 5 bucks more.

I personally have had very little problems with my we guns I have an m14 fired maybe 100 bbs have upgraded a couple things like hop up barrel seems to be good so far. My we pdw has had a couple thousand shots fired trough it I replaced the hammer as the bearing on it was worn other then that no problems no experience with Kjw some we mags leak out of the box but are easy to fix. Sorry for my grammar I'm using my iphone

40 votes later, it is still 50/50.

I've never used KJW so I can't compare, but I do own a WE. From my experience, they perform fantastic when they work, but somewhere along the way, you WILL experience some type of problem varying from minor to a little more PITA issues.

WE mags do leak like a bitch, but if you can reseal them (which is fairly easy), they'll be better than new. WE VN mags I haven't used yet, but will get some after hearing that they are very good.

One of the sweetest things about the WE system is that you can make it almost all out of real steel parts (modifications may apply) even down to little parts like pins. There's a lot of aftermarket support for the WE, you can use both airsoft or real parts.

For the KJW platform, I'm not sure if it's the same, maybe someone else can verify.

to answer the direct question... which company makes a better GBBR ... which I see as which is a better GBBR stock out of the box

KJW

now as for which one to buy... that's all up to the consumer really...

do you want a GBBR that's as utterly authentic in everyway possible, has parts and upgrades everywhere and you can throw parts on it to your hearts content... then WE ...

you want a GBBR that you can pull out of the box, only have to add the internal part to make it legal to play in your area, gas it and run it .. KJW

personally the only real reason I don't have a GBBR m4 .. is cause no ones brought out a short/VN etc style mag for the KJW m4 yet

it all comes down to whats important to you

I would lean towards WE just for the fact it has a ton of aftermarket parts. Should anything in a KJW fail (please correct me if I'm wrong), you're pretty much limited to replacing it with KJW parts. I don't know, but if something is to break, I'd rather have the option of replacing it with a stronger aftermarket part than the same stock part that broke in the first place. If something in your WE fails, you can replace wiht aftermarket RA-Tech (or other) steel parts that will basically never break or wear.

Personally I haven't tried a KJW and can only speak for my own experience with my WE PDW that I used extensively throughout the summer with only 1 small failure to the nozzle spring, which was an easy fix. Otherwise it's performed flawlessly for tens of thousand rounds now with only regular cleaning as maintenance.

But I'd say overall both are excellent guns for the money, and you have to make your own choice which to go for.

KJW offers amazing reliability right out of the box. WE isn't so great, but after a few mods (RA-tech) and what not the WE guns are pretty good.

That seems to be what everyone is saying, but 50 votes later and it is still perfectly even.

or buy both, get the KJW to play with and rely on, then build a WE over time to get your mod on. thats what im doing anyway. also LAW airsoft is coming out with STANAG style mags for the KJ

What do you expect from your gbbr? Answering that will help us point you in the right direction.


I will say this though, WE owns the gbbr market right now due to their innovation and selection.

Seems to me like you've received a lot of good info from people that have experience with both systems telling you that they both have their own advantages and disadvantages. Shirley you're not going to let a poll make the decision for you.

Don't call me Shirley....

Wasn't there a user named that (Courtesy of the mods) for the longest while?

:D
It was Mr. Hitman if I'm not mistaken.

You are not mistaken, twas a sad day when that gem was removed.

I was just interested to see which people prefer. Honestly, the WE SCAR-L GBBR was the first one to really catch my eye, and it's starting to look like the numbers are swaying in WEs favor.

And again,

Past Experience with GBBR:
Magna System -G&P WOC13 (M4A1 Steel Barrel)
Magna System -Prime DIY M4 GBBR
Magna System -G&P WOC16 (M16A4 Clear Lower)
Escort External Air -Daytonagun AKS74U
Escort External Air -Daytonagun AK74M
KJW M4A1
WE Open Chamber -WE G39E
WE Open Chamber -WE M4A1 (Still have it)
WE Open Chamber -WE M16A3 (Still have it)

-KJW vs WE can be split into these question

Realistic vs Non-leaking 30 rounder?
Realistic -> WE
Non-Leaking -> KJW

OOTB Reliable or Upgradability to full steel internal (and reliable)
OOTB -> KJW
Steel -> WE

Recoil 22lr vs EBB style?
22lr -> WE
EBB -> KJW

Realistic operation, takedown
More realistic -> WE
Less realistic -> KJW

External compatiability
AR-15 & lots of third party -> WE
AEG and some third party ->KJW


I didn't like KJW because of the thermold magazine and the lack of recoil, this is why I have WE M4, M16

I don't know much about the WE's, but the biggest complaint with the KJW is the lack of aftermarket support. But the gun shoots quite well out of the box to begin with.

It sounds like all the information you need has been said, and re-said. It's up to you now to decide which platform you like better. Forget about "50/50, 40/50" or whatever anyone says, it's your money and you should use it on the platform you want. IMO, I'd go for WE just for the fact that aftermarket support is there, if you ever have an issue. No gun is to last forever and never break down. When it does kick the can, do you have replacement parts available to you?

Earlier I would say KJW but WE is really starting to step it up so personally i would go with a WE now. I have a WE G36 RAS i have had no problems with it and it's truly is a great gun i also got a KJW M9 and it worked great but in about 2 mouths of little use the valve cap broke

also with WE there are a lot of upgrades and parts almost everywhere to get for your gun

I'm a KJW owner. I choosed it first because i'm not very a handy guy and they said it was reliable right of the box. Now I get more experimented with GBBR and more and more I'm thinking getting WE mostly for those 2 reasons:
-Realistic recoil
-The fact their many replicas working with the same stanag Mag. With KJW you only have one
WE seems very dynamic to release new models every year. I was expecting the same with KJW and i'm very disapointed after 2 years.