Shooting Glasses and Sealing Goggle
 

This thread is in regards safety goggles (ESS) vs the typical shooting glasses.

My quuestion is why are there some games on that allow typical saefty glasses/shooting glasses and other are ESS or Paintball only.

I have seen as many have the huge games going on, in Europe and some here, but wondering why some are and some arent.

I personally would like to have games without the ESS and or Paintball for obvious vision obstruction reduction, but was wondering if anyone knows why those games are ok to have that?

I dont want this to turn into a negative posting, so please guys I am only trying to figure out if this is like this for reasons like:

Rules are not to shoot closer than 30ft?
Certain FPS limit?

More or less curious--thats all.

Thanks,

Trev

Don't get a full seal with most shooting glasses. I've played games where someone was shot in the face and a bb ended up getting under the glasses. So fields don't allow them to be used for safety and insurance reasons.

typically you will see paintball goggles required at paintball fields.

It's an insurance thing

At my indoor facility I require full seal goggles.. because we engage at 0 feet and employ grenades.. that spray bbs at weird angles.

At outdoor fields at games that I run.. any Ballistic eyewear is approved. It's your eyes.

all in all it comes down to the regulations in play at the venue

Informed consent provides some measure of protection against litigation.. but regulations in play must indicate a reasonable and appropriate caution on the part of the venue owner and Host.

plus it because you could be sharing the field with paintballers. but like Brian said, it's their insurance so they follow the rules set out by the insurance company.

Interesting stuff. Personally I would like nothing more than to have games with typical ballistic goggles. Not necessarily sealing.

Those games out West and at Sterling look to be a great example.

I thought it also had to do with these games shooting lower FPS.

We have the upper hand on that where we play, cause we basically take the whole place over.

Going to look into this a bit more now.....

just have to be carefull as some of teh revisions and ESS get cloned, some are quite good but others are very risky. I managed to completely destroyed one at 10ft shooting distance with a .25 with my M90 powered PTW (330fps w/.20) the mesh goggles get destroyed with red cylinder at the same distance.

I generally take 2-3 different sets of Eyepro to games.

Full face full seal

Low profile full seal

and shooting glasses.

Depending on what I am doing I will put on what's appropriate for the risk environment.

Full seal full face for close assault and CQB

Full seal low profile for outdoor patroling .. general play

shooting glasses, for on field hosting duties and Command.

This decision should not be made on aesthetics.. it is about risk tolerance.

Guys who wear shooting glasses in CQB are seeking blindness

Glasses vs Goggles
 

Well, it looks like we have our clarification. We can use Balistic style glasses so long as they are wrap around, and either csa and or ANSI stamped.

We just need to have a no less than 10 foot engagement rule and of course face protection And where we play, and how we play, that is rare for sure.


Thanks for the help!


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Like i said just be aware that there are fake certification glasses too the real easy way of telling the fake ones is by making sure the certification numbers are not a sticker on the lens, the revision and ESS are actually engraved into the lens

Still no guarantee I have seen repro goggles with ANZI and a few numbers in raised characters on the lens..designed clearly to fool you to believing it is ballistic rated.

Buy eye protection ONLY from known legitimate sources.

I have seen what looks like good quality glasses get dimpled and shed fibers in the inside from even low velocity impacts.

When buying buyer beware is it says ESS 'style' its not ESS it is chinacrap.

Real Ballistic googles do not cost 30 ish bucks.

I have a brand new pair of Northwood CSA high impact T81005.

They are going to recieve a burst of fire 5 feet away with an M4 chrono'ed at 420 FPS with .20

Will post the pics tomorrow....

Shooting Test
 

Was going to shoot tonight, but found this instead.

Video of a pair of safety glasses being shot at by a .177 pellet gun shooting at 600 FPS.

Followed by a pointed pellet shooting at 800FPS

Amazing Safety Glasses -TEST (High Speed Camera) - YouTube

Self explainatory

Where are you from? What fields do you play at?

Hamilton Area

Soldier of Fortune

im going to guess this has something to do with paintballcity's enforcement of full seal ANZI rated goggles.
the only reason why pbc is allowing the use of full seal ESS/tac goggles, is because the owner of the facility is being nice enough to allow it, even at a risk to his business. yes, you guys are playing airsoft, but you are also sharing the venue with paintballers, and the insurance only allows for the use of paintball rated safety equipment.
personally, if there are any paintballers sharing the field, then even full seal goggles should be avoided. at the end of rounds when the different groups switched off the field, there were always some paintballers already waiting and shooting off some paintballs while we still had airsofters walking to the exit.

if people are unwilling to accept the minimum safety requirements set out by the property owner, they need to be removed from the venue and told to smarten the f up before coming back.

squash goggles.. all i can say..

No not at all.


No idea what the other places are doing.

My question was soely on the games you see out west and in the UK and wondering why they are all using shooting/safety glasses.

If you look on the sterling airsoft games, they are almost ALL wearing these.

I could not understand why, and the explaination of needing to withstand a shot from paint makes sense.

Having said that, we are not "sharing" a field with paint where we play. In fact the next game we have the entire place will be airsoft.

Looks like we can provide the option now after doing some digging.

Thats all....

Regardless. Have you confirmed with the field owner that you are permitted those glasses? It's not the best idea to assume as you might be turned away. All airsofters or not, it's still an insurance policy for that particular facility.

One big caveat with any type of rated glasses, if you go prone, your eyes are exposed. Try it. Lay on your stomach. Now imagine you are looking down range through your rifle sights.

We are the ones putting the games on, not asking as a player for this field.

All confirmed.

Face protection and CSA high impact improved.

so you realize you are also on the hook if someone has an eye injury? Waivers don't hold much weight!

And here is a set of close ESS Goggles being shot by a gun shooting at 525 FPS with a 40G bb.

Not even a scratch.

ESS Clone Goggles Impact Test - YouTube


The end of the day, I undertstand the safety required in case if we are around paintball, but as in the games in the UK and out west, the games we are putting one do not have paintball at all.

I'm not talking about playing with paintballers at the same time anymore, but since it's still at a paintball field, their insurance will likely not cover any accidents or injuries to the eye.

Also, look at your first video and how the glasses broke apart upon impact and fell off the dummies face. yes, they probably didn't fit as well as on a real person but that's not the point here.

What if there are 2 rounds sent down range at someone glasses? The first one knocks them off and the next one goes guess where? What if it's a full auto burst or longer?

Next, you should seriously go try this with your glasses on. Lay on your stomach. Now imagine you are looking down range through your rifle sights.

As I said before, you as an organizer can be held responsible for any injuries.

Full seal goggles should be the minimum for active players.

Anyway, I'm not going to ague with someone who doesn't have a clue. Good luck.

Not scientific,but I just took a pair of these. CSA. High impact safety glasses.
Opened fire on the right lense on full auto, with .25 bb, 400 FPS. 30 rounds into them.

12 inches away.


Some of the bb's shattered. (bb bastard) but bairly a scratch.


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Trev,

May I suggest that you use the full sealed style like the revision bullet ant, the reason is those safety glasses do work but the only time it is safe to wear them for airsoft is at CAPS events where it is just shooting targets with no return fire, the sides are still quite open to hard richochet or even a shot to get in. If you are a fan of scoutdoggie video as much as I am you will notice that in one of the video one of their players were actually hurt from getting a bb in the safety glasses from a stray, while he was not injured badly he considered himself lucky and made a switch to a sealed type glasses. Ultimatey it is your field and you have to make the call, just throwing in my 2cents

FYI - in the world of evil cloning there are clones of these safety type glasses that would not hold up to a .25BB fired from a M90 cylinder PTW, I recently did a test for the purpose of showing Paintball city owner/organizer the difference between the real and fake ballistic plastic eye pro and the mesh ones (it shattered and penetrated with a .25 and red cylinder M150, and dented badly with the .25 with blue cylinder 390-400fps)

In some outdoor games I've used ESS CDI's for when running NVG due to their lower profile. The only reason I feel safe doing this is because there is a retention strap to keep them on my face and they're usually being pinned there too by the NVG. If I'm not running with NVG I'll use the full-seal as they fog less than the CDI's, they appear to ventilate and defog faster likely because they're not as close to my face and get better air-flow.

I would NEVER trust my eyes to eyepro manufactured in China or any other knockoff eyepro.

As for mesh goggles I wore them once a long time ago, then at one game took a shot to my right eye. The impact deformed the mesh and resulted in the coating of paint on it spraying my eye. Fortunately I was fine but it was not a fun experience to say the least. I thought I had taken BB shrapnel to my eye until I took said mesh goggles off in the safe zone and inspected both my eye and the goggles.

Hi WildCard,

First, I want to say you and I have had side discussions on certain wing nuts who have come to games, not calling hits etc, and I do value your input. I feel your response is actually worth considering as it does lay it out. The photo I showed you of the glasses does not show them on your face and actually wrap around the side pretty well. Minimal gap. Once you finish it off with a shamog wrap its is pretty much closed up.

As the first post I put up points out, I was asking why the games out west in Canada allow them and so does Stirling Airsoft. The example of strirling is actually a good one as I am sure nobody is going to dispute they and the king of the heep for games. Off the wall stuff that make the games here look like a day care center. I saw their videos and the ones from out west and the picture below seems to be the same thing I keep asking. You dont even see an ESS in this picture. I am not trying to argue or question, just was wondering why these places CAN and places here CANT. I am really beginning to think this has more to do with being at a paintball place. Again, at SOF we are not going to be sharing fields, and this spring there is a seperate safety zone being put up for airsoft at the opposite side of the grounds. All the games that will be happening between now and June will effectively cut off the interaction of Paint and Airsoft with the field selection.
To cap this off, there will be a no engagement under 10 foot rule put in.

Anyway, perhaps maybe we can steer the conversation away from SOF and to why below is ok?


See pic at Stirling UK.

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True ballistic glasses are suppost to be able to stop .22 pellets as outlined by the US Army's standards (I think, don't hold me to this but I am sure this correct)

Will steer this now to why is it ok at Stirling. UK.

Is it FPS?
Rules?

holy fuck dude! why not ask sterling airsoft? use your head

Cause ruling for the brits is different. They actually have airsoft only sites and guys feel that having less issues with fogging is more important than eye sight. Also can actually be insured for airsoft. Over here is different. Sure on some private fields yes you can wear ballistic shoots glasses. But the risk is still there, you are more likely to lose and eye. So when it comes to this game is on your field and time you want to risk your eyes, IMO go right ahead. I will keep wearing my revisions and ESS goggles.

Why don't you contact Stirling and ask them?

http://www.stirlingairsoft.com/airsoftrules.html

There only appear to be two rules on their website regarding Eye protection:

As stated by others protection will be typically limited to paintball-approved goggles at any paintball field to meet insurance requirements. Otherwise it is up to the host to lay out requirements based on what they perceive is the minimum safe requirement.

* puts spoon away *

They are your eyes, protect them accordingly or don't feel badly when they get damaged due to negligent behavior.

Some private fields do allow shooting glasses, from my experience there are a few places that I played in Japan and HK that allows shooting glasses but they have a much lower fps (280fps) than we do and NOT all the fields will allow the shooting glasses in their event. The one club that I played in HK will allow shooting glasses but it's at the users own risk. Marui shooting club (run by Marui, use only Marui guns) allowed the participants to use shooting glasses and mesh goggles, keep in mind that their guns are shooting below 300fps and have a very strict no engagement rule within 15 feet

Interesting stuff.

Ps.. I was in Japan in 97.

Osaka-
cool place.