KWA LM4 Magpul Edition Small Review
 

(56K Users Beware)

Excellent. She is heavy (8.2lbs) and solid, the body/handgrip has no wobble whatsoever which I find rare with M4's and M16's, the Body markings are very fine and well done. The Magpul edition comes with the MOE Stock, Handguard, Pistol Grip, Magpul Body and a Pmag (30 round) specific to this model (which sucks when you want more mag's).

The MOE Handguard is a bit of a downer, it is nice, but the lack of rails hurts. You'll be forced to grab rails made for this hand guard, which are around 20 bucks for a 3 pack. Also sports a rear Mbus flip up sight

The recoil? Amazing. Bad if you want to fire on a single spot continuously because your gun keeps bumping around, but damn nice to fire this thing. She is very consistent (until gas is low or gets too cold) and has a nice loud thack per fire.


Reinforced - Love it. The Bolt carrier has 2 reinforced parts to lower wear/tear. heavy, and solid as usual. Not too educated on the internals of GBBR's so i'll let the pictures show the detail etc.

The hopup I was a bit disappointed in, it is adjusted Via a little gear tool you stick inside the bolt opening and twist - it works, but I broke 2 teeth off the hopup unit, so you have to be careful.

So my thoughts? WELL worth the money. Beautiful to look at, Heavy, 13 round per second fire rate, nice kickback and excellent internals for that long lasting addition.

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Welcome to the world of KSC the concept is good for the hopup but adjusting it is a pain.

Nice review btw always wondered how the KSC new GBBR's looked.

I'm personally waiting for the KWA AK series to come out... But on the topic of the hopup.

Trust me, as a WE user that kind of hopup adjustment is a fucking godsend.

WE M4 adjustment has to be done with a microscopic allen key tucked away inside the receiver just over the chamber. and you can only adjust in very slight increments. Difficult as hell. I'd take the KWA/KSC key over the microscopic/clumsy allen key adjustments.

Haha, Just looked up some pictures and WOW this hopup adjustment is a godsend when compared to that!

Well at first I was tempted to grab that KWA GBBR as well but since I read somewhere that they still using ball bearing design hop up, I pause myself and rethink how hard it is to source a good hop up rubber ( stock one is ok but well, GBBR need lubricane and that rubber tend doesn't like silicone oil ) and also put those back together is a nightmare, my first and second attempt actually tear the hop up rubber until now I was pretty good with it but still prefer TM design though since it just plain dam simple and work the best.

I decide to grab WE HK 416 and AK PMC instead though.

Ah was going to do the same but I couldn't find one, I realized afterwards (in my opinion) it was a good choice because the bolt system isn't reinforced like this rifle has - and the kick apparently isn't as great. This rifle uses the same system its pistols use to increase "recoil" for a more realistic feel

I do like the look of the HK416 though

This thread is Garrison Airsoft Approved!!!

Will other brand of magazines be compatible including the CO2's to be fitted in the KWA Magpul edition?

Not sure, as far as I know the only mag you can get is the 38 round PMag made for the KWA LM4's, 80 bucks a piece.

I'm not so sure about your math but I see them available for $55/USD each...WGC & Airsoft Global!!

Has nothing to do with math, just the price I was quoted through a AV Retailer willing to get the KWA mags for me is all

Order them yourself?

I figured I had to do it through a retailer since it may be seized at the border

Guess the only thing that will be seized is metal frames/full guns, right?

That is about right; 55$ for the mag and 26$ for shipping; in addition, you might get custom duty fees on top of that...these numbers are from airsoftglobal

Purchasing the mags from our local retailer for 80$ is worth it...who has them...Garrison's?

That's correct. Nothing wrong with ordering mags.

Buying 1 mag and paying for shipping for 1 mag would not be the smartest thing to do. I'm sure he wants more than 1 extra.

Sacre, I would recommend 6 or 8 total.
Ordering from eHobbyAsia gives $63 per mag including shipping, when ordering 6 mags. Add some GST and $8 inspection fee (if CBSA even inspects it), and you're saving money over $80 per mag, plus shipping.

Well atm I can't afford 300-400 bucks worth of mag's, so I just grabbed 1 extra so that I can have short games with my bud. As time goes by i'll grab some extra here and there, but right now my gun is more of a plinker/wall hanger so I haven't a need for that many.

where can we buy the kwa lm4 in canada ???
 

I would like to know ..if somebody know where i can buy the kwa lm4 in canada???

thanks

As per forum rules which you should have read but obviously didn't, we can't tell you where to source guns unless you're age-verified.

This retailer sells em.
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=120041

Nice, I'm just getting into the airsoft world and the KWA LM4 GBBR MAGPUL edition is definitely on top of my list. Though, when I asked around about this gun and other M4s, a lot of individuals suggested going the KJW varient instead or even better if I can afford one, the Inokatsu M4 Super SOP mod GBBR. Which details at Milsig for $1200, last I checked.

Inokatsu is overpriced gun, how do I know?
The OEM they ditch began to sell guns significantly less than the Asia $950USD price
Viper sells at $650
and the second OEM whose name I'm unsure sells at $400 (no trade and no forge line) AFAIK Second OEM is the one that makes for RA-Tech M4's receiver.

I had a KJW before, its more like an EBB to me. So far, the KWA LM4 seem to be KJW enhanced. No rubber band, steel moving parts and metal nozzle, GI magazine (though it's heavier than a 30 round loaded aluminium mag...possible same weight as a loaded steel mag)

whats the price of the magpul ?

Depends what Magpul you by. The clone mag rubbers can cost you as low as couple bucks a piece! :D

Well according to Airsoft GI, they're charging an extra $100 for the MagPul version. And I paid $550 after tax and shipping for my regular LM4, so best guess would be $650-700 for the MagPul LM4 in Canada...

you can buy the regular version here in country for $445 plus taxes and shipping.

hmmm wonder if buying the regular verson would be cheaper then just buying the magpul stuff myself

You wouldn't have the Magpul receiver.

Speaking of buying the regular version, I see it's on sale right now at ****** for $419... That's $26 cheaper than *****'s selling it for. So if you're looking to buy one, now might be a good time...

--> edit: removed retailer names for non-avers.

Might want to edit out the retailer names. Non-AV members can see this forum

Whoops, my bad. Thanks for the heads up, fixed.

Will there be any aftermarket parts available?
I would love to buy one for cqb purpose so a fps drop would become handy.
Diffrent (outer)barrels wouldn't hurt either.

Some of the KSC m4 parts will fit in it, and for fps drops, there's a DangerWerx valve that will give you sub 350 velocity, and the NPAS for System 7 pistols/ mp7's will work in the LM4 as well.

I switched mine to a KSC m4 hopup chamber and rubber, so I have a Guarder 6.02 TBB in there now.

Does anyone know what system this GBBR uses? Is it the same as WA, G&P and King Arms system?

I believe it is a modified WA one

As far as I'm aware, the NS2 system is it's own, proprietary system. I haven't yet seen anyone make any WA or WE parts fit without serious modding.

The reason that people say its a modified WA was because KSC/KWA used WA design as a basis for their GBBR. KSC/KWA mag can be used in WA gun with little modification.

Touche, my good man. I was unaware of this. But then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, as the majority of GBBR manufacturers base their guns off the WA platform.

Just wanted to post an update here about the LM4, as some of my information may have been premature.

Guarder tight bore and KSC hopup chamber --> Works, but needed some minor modification. Had to dremel a tapered slot for the ball bearing to move through for it to be properly adjustable. Am now getting awesome consistency and range with an a+ studio bucking, .25-.3 work great, haven't tried .2's yet.

Picked up an mp7/system 7 NPAS to install in my lm4, and decided to look for instructions to disassemble the nozzle (better safe than sorry) and in the process found some new threads about the NPAS that confirm that NPAS will NOT work in the LM4 without modification. So... I was dead wrong, I apologize.

Well the NPAS DOES technically work, but will lower your overall FPS compared to stock. So trimming it here and there to allow for more gas to go through would "fix" this. A pretty simple and quick fix.

That being said, RA-Tech has a Nozzle w/ NPAS, and even complete BCG + N Nozzle + Npas on sale for the KSC M4 GBBR. They confirmed me these would work fine with the LM4 ASIAN version. I haven't inquired about the US version but the BCG and Nozzle looks pretty much the same to me; But take this with a grain of salt

About the Guarder hopup, do you have any pics of the mod? I will most probably change mine at some point as I always have over hop with .28's

i WOULD have pics, but breaking it down to get the inner barrel out is a huge pain in the ass, so... maybe later ;-) Actually, I'm probably going to do the same mod to my stock KWA hopup chamber, so I have a spare, so when I do that I'll get you pics. Basically just trace a line where the ball will roll, and dremel a channel, making one side deeper than the other. Test fire and adjust as needed.

At first we didn't make the channel slope deep enough, so it worked, but there was very little adjustment up or down... Took it apart, dremeled one side deeper, reassembled, tested again till we got it right. Now it goes from too-little on .25's up to just about perfect for .3's. So that's about the range of adjustment. If I wanted more (say to adjust for .2's or higher than .3's) I could either dremel the deep side deeper (for .2's) or cut the whole thing way down and use a slightly larger ball bearing. (stock hopup ball is 2mm, I have 2.5mm, but with the depth of channel we'd cut, even on the low setting it was overhopping .3's)

Anyways, I know a picture is worth a thousand rambling words, so maybe after this weekend I'll break my upper down and disassemble my hopup for pics. Just don't want to screw with it till I've gamed it this weekend. Just a little superstitious is all ;-)

I've heard that about the NPAS by the way. Need to dremel channels sort of like the "rocket valve"... But without mod it drops velocity to like 250fps. I'm interested in the KSC BCG/nozzle (because I'd like to have a spare, and actually one set for "outdoors" and one set for "cqb" would be nice), the only downside is that the KSC nozzle doesn't have any steel (I believe it's steel) reinforcements in the nozzle, so it could wear out and break faster than the stock nozzle.

Overhop?! Out of the box I couldn't even GET my hopup up to .28... And at .25 it would work itself off as I fired, so by the end of an afternoon the dial would be at full and I sitll wouldn't have enough hop. That little metal bar is waayyy too flimsy.

Thanks for the details - might come in handy in due times ;)

And yeah the nozzle is all plastic in the asian version. I haven't used my GBBR much yet, as I just fired a fire round here and there to try things a bit then put it away waiting to be "fixed" (hopup and npas etc), but the plastic/abs? seems of good quality enough. I don't know how much stress at have to handle though, but compared to the Nozzle my KWA's M93 had, it's much thicker and seems sturdier. Time will tell

So I wanna get a LM4 but I cannot find a retailer in Canada. I was thinking of ordering it from Airsoft gi or Evike but it might get confiscated. Any help? Thanks.

There are a few retailers in Canada who have sold these but they are listed in a restricted part of the website. You need to follow the age verification process to gain assess to those sub forums.

Airsoft guns in general are not always 100% in stock at all times. KWA will build and ship a batch and then it can be months before people get restocked. Spring is coming though so get on following through with paragraph two and you'll be setup.