Canadian (I)R-Hop users?
 

Hey all,

I wasn't sure where to post this, but I've been looking into getting a HSArmory IR-hop and I was wondering who in Canada uses them? What kind of results are you getting, especially in colder weather?

I wouldn't have posted but I can't find any Canadian reviews/posts on them anywhere.

Thanks in advance.

Sill working on my DIY one but getting wayyyy over hop. Cold weather didn't have too much affect on it though.

Its worth getting its a no brainer upgrade to buy..... installed correctly dramatically effects your accuracy and range in a very positive way!

Also dont fortget that if your using ~.32g BB and + To get the IER Hop

I have been looking to get one for a few months now. No replies from the sellers in the states. Where did you get yours codename sempi?

Im in direct contact with the seller.... If you guys need me to get ahold of some im ordering them in the next week for my G&G M14 EBR

Have you talked directly to Hunterseeker5 on ASM? The guy casually replies to just about every single post ever posted in the technical section of that forum, 24/7/365 so I'd be shocked if he ignored a PM :)

If you have success with this, I'd love to hear details about how you get it installed and get it working. I had the impression it has to be modified for precisely the inner barrel you're planning to put it into.

I sent him an email from the one he has posted on his personal website. Going to try giving him a pm then. The thread about this hop up is a pretty good read on ASM.

I plan to try this hop up on a stock barrel, and if If I like it I will put it on a madbull barrel. If this go really well I will carve up a prometheus barrel.

sshhhh! don't give away secrets! j/k

I bought a few to play around with. one is going into my personal rifle, whilst another is going into a buddy's DMR. I'd freaking love to use an E length, but Bio's don't really come in heavy enough weights. (especially since aforementioned buddy's DMR will probably be at Claybank this year)


yeah, PM or email HS5, he'll reply with what you need to know. he's easy (enough) to deal with. :D

as for modifying the barrel/patch, yes; it does have to be done to a certain extent. mostly just cutting and fitting then tuning the patch. depending on the manufacturer of the barrel, some fitting/fiddling with the hop window may be required. if you have needle files, an exacto/really sharp knife/wire cutters even, and a little sandpaper, it's easy as pie. the hard part is finding enough space to get it sighted in, so it'll probably have to be done at a local field.

Sighted in? Do you really mean to say that you just turn hop up/down until you're happy or is there more to it than that?

Did you mod the R-hop to fit in your barrel or the other way around?

a bit more than that. yes, to some (very small) extent, you can use the hop arm to adjust it, but that's more of a final step (and then, it really only holds in in place). to "tune" it, you basically have to shoot it, then shave down the contact patch (BB side) until it stops over-hopping. when I say "over hop", I mean the thing will probably look like a mortar and land 200+ ft downrage, so you'll be able to tell.

both. my personal barrel (a crappy Systema 6.04) has/had beveled edges in the hop window. other barrels like the excellent Madbulls and Prommys have straight edges, which make it _slightly_ easier to install.

after that, the patch comes oversized, so you just trim it little by little until it fits the window (lengthwise) then trim the "legs" down till it sits flush with the outside of the barrel.

then you go and do the shooting bit (depending on how much space you have at your disposal. average city houses won't really cut it without freaking the neighbours out), and then shave down the inside contact patch until it shoots right for the weight you use.
^^^that portion is kind of a b*tch because you have to go and disassemble the thing every time to get to the patch.

Thanks for the answers guys!

Seems like it would be easier to tune if I had a V3... Time to invest in an AK.

Honestly does not matter what Gearbox version you have, Ive used it on V3's V7's and V6's all it is a peice of rubber you size down to fit into your Barrels hopup window...

EDIT: V6 gearbox not V5

bumping this up to see how you guys are liking your r-hops if you're running them by now, and if you're using the block nub with modified arm or just the stock nub.

What distance/groupings were you shooting before on what guns and what are you shooting now with the r-hop.

if everything goes well, some of you will be on the receiving end of my buddy's r-hopped SPR at claybank.

getting the kinks out wasn't exactly fun, but from the few rounds that made their way out the barrel, a whole lot of PTW owners are in for a very nasty surprise.

I take that as a shining endorsement of the product. :P

I'm starting to get interested in that product, from the few reviews I've read, but I'm not sure about a few things. From what I understood (and I doubt I understood correctly), this hopup involves modifications to both the barrel and the hopup arm is that right?

Are these modifications permanent and irreversible? How hard/long is it to mod and install?

If anyone cares to explain its functioning in better word than the site's too it'd be great :P

Thanks

Only some barrels need to have the window enlarged. by far and large I think most aeg barrels don't need to be touched. The hop material is just cut to match the existing window.

To reverse it, you just remove the r-hop material and scrape off the glue you used to secure it to the barrel and replace your bucking with one that does not have a shaved mound (hur hur hur, that's right, I said it)

I am trying to determine if the hopup arm needs to be modded or not. I think it does not have to be, you can use a standard cylindrical nub, but using the block nub provides even more stability. Obviously you have to alter the arm if you want to use the block for full effect, so if you install one with a modded arm, you will need to replace the arm if you ever revert. And of course... the only thing you need to replace in the whole rig as maintenance would be the shaved bucking as the hop material is reputed to never wear out.

The Z-hop kits are dead easy to use and requires VERY little tuning.

I've had success pairing them (ZIR kit) with SHS or Lonex hop rubbers on my scratch-built G&P M4s.

What about performance, worth it?

Bong

Well it depends. If your gun shoots 400fps, do you think it's effective to be hit by a 50fps BB about 300 feet away?
The consistency is slightly improved over one of my tuned setups using a "normal" hop rubber.

Hum, i had a 500 fps tm l96 and a 450 fps m14 dmr in mind :)

Bong

Here is my personal recommendation: Unless your gun is shooting significantly over 450fps with 0.20g BBs AND you're planning on using heavier ammo (0.30 or above), the R Hops aren't really worth your time.

The 2 basic advantages of the R hop vs. traditional hop is increased hop to lift heavier ammo and increased range. But you have to factor in the impact velocity at those ranges.
http://mackila.com/airsoft/atp/

This makes sense that the heavier bb will be afforded better lift.

So, for say .25 bb at 360 fps, will the R-hop signicantly outrange normal hop ups?

rhop isn't just about range, it's creating more consistency. By separating the mound from the bucking, the bucking only has to function as airseal, so this supposedly creates better consistency in fps and tighter groupings within the effective range of the gun. \

I find the range on my gun acceptable, more would be better, however if r-hop lets me hit a sheet of paper consistently at 40-50m instead of a mansized target, now we're talking more practical use.

With proper tuning, that is easily achievable with a standard hop setup.
Please don't take this as a snobby comment, but I see a lot of users just throw money at problems buying up trick hop sleeves hoping that it'll just work out of the box.

All hop-ups, the R-hop included does require some tuning and fiddling. Also, some hop rubbers are better than others.

How do you quantify significant? Double?

We're doing more testing with more "conventional" setups to determine the feasibility of bringing these in (namely the "gameability) and being a HS5 Canadian dealer, stay tuned.

After ruining the installation of my first batch of R hops, I got extremely nice results.

If you want to experiment but are afraid of screwing up, I suggest picking up some silicone or rubber tubing off eBay.
It is the same material R hops are made of, but they come but the foot or meter, so you have many more chances to get a good install.

I disagree. Even at the energy levels that we game a 1.7j their is a significant improvement in consistency and range. I don't think anyone in The local area shoots anything less than a 0.30bb even at 1.7joules

R Hop is definitely worth your time as you will get far more effective range from you gun. G hop etc is still pretty popular in Japan and seeing 1joule guns shoot as far as a typical Canadian 1.7 joule gun with the same ammo is an eye opener

I had an Rhop made and installed by a local gun doc in my ASR custom build bolt action 475fps with .2's actually use .4's an my TM m14 semi only dmr with systema internalls shooting 420fps with 0.2's and I use 0.3's....

With both I can hit a torso target at 250' and without the R hop I was badly getting 150' I am sold on them my next project is my SR25 so we will see if they work with full auto and Burst fire of a raptor MOSFET.

Looking rhop install in the Hamilton area
 

I am looking for a gun doc that has experience with r-hop installs.

if you have had it done please PM or any gun docs that are local that I could drop off.
Thanks

I bought Foxers TM M14 and I love the range I get with the R-hop. Still taking me a bit of time to get used to but the range is amazing IMO