PTW motor repair.
 

I was woundering if anyone has had a PTW motor repaired/reworked by Double Tap Tac. And if you have how it faired out for you and how long you have had it for? Thanks & Cheers!

pretty much our entire team goes through him. i just bought my first ptw used and will be getting a spare vuk kit and respun motor from him as soon as he gets more in stock.

got my TW5 and a spare M4 Max motor done from them Chris is awesome to deal with

Cool,I have 3 motors right now so I'm not realy wanting to sent them over sea,one was already and it's $$$$ to sent it. But I have heard the new motors in the 2012's are going to be "fixed" but I think they said that about the last ones as well. Thanks for the input guy's :)

as far as my research can find, the new PTWs will be shipped with the same old 490A. and i have been told by multiple people that the price is going up by as much as 25% in 2012. but this info is just hearsay, not direct info from systema. even if they do change motors, they will still ship PTWs with the old motor until they run out of stock on it.

i recommend DTT for both the motor mod and the hop-up mod.
great guys over there at Double Tap Tactical!

2012 motors aren't going to be fixed. Tackleberry has viewed the new ones and they are also going to suffer from the same problem. My team has had the DTT fix and they have been working for seasons, We had one that completely failed/burned out and it was up and running like new after we gave it to DTT. Shot 8-10 mags straight through it without a hitch when we got it back. That was done last season and still working beautifully.

EDIT: Its not hearsay that they are going up 25% it says on there systema facebook page due to materials cost increasing and a bunch of other stuff they have no choice but to increase the prices.

i have troiuble believing that, half of the systema is made of pot metal... i dont think zinc prices go up much

Not even close.

There are alot of different parts made by different processes.

Considering your username as well as your tag below that, I have a hard time believing you.

There are slight differences in some 490 motors,I have a 490B,490A and a 490 that is from a ver. up kit that is a 2010 super max model. The 490B has a 14Turn motor and the other two are 11 turn motors. The best one buy far was the one I have from the ver. up kit. But some use the bearing to adjust the armature and some are a "fixed" set up.
As for the price going up,they'ev changed to a stainless cyl. and the did something different with the electronics. There was a few things they changed,is it worth the mark up? Only time will tell ;)

Anyone know or seen any guides online in regards to taking the ptw motor apart?? I'm looking to give mines a good cleaning but I can't seem to get both the magnet's apart from the housing!

to avoid any hassle just send your motor out to Double tap tactical they get it done fast. All three of my PTW and two spare motor have been modded by them, there is a guide at PTW forum but after reading that I conclude that it's cheaper and safer for my sanity to just send it out.

take a look at Imperial Airsoft they are official systema resellers\repair.

my cbqr, m4 and tw5 are from them :)

I think we should all lobby eagle force to build a superior PTW motor lol
If they could make a PTW motor half as good as their EF1300, you'd never have to worry about motor problems ever again.

Do you remember the link or the wording to said guide?

I've been combing that forum to no avail.

There isn't really a disassembly guide per se. Tackleberry took some pics of the problem areas and that's about it.

There is no need to tear the motor down for cleaning. There is nothing to clean. If you have arc damage to the commutator, it must be turned on a lathe and the brushes replaced with higher silver content brushes, which is all new ones.

I don't know about you, but I have a bunch of magnetic chips stuck to the magnets which I want to get out.

I've never had such a big problem trying to locate guides for airsoft gun's. I don't understand why its always either "send tac this or only tac knows how to do that". (or any other retailer for the matter)

Its not rocket science so why does everyone insist on sending simple parts across the pond just to get a little work done???

Because its not that simple to do
As well, why would Tac give away a guide on how to do it when he makes his living working on them and doing the mods. If it had a simple guide, do you think members with many years experience on PTW's would hand over their motors for tac and the select few docs to do?

I can tell you that I have torn apart probably a hundred PTW motors. I also turn a screwdriver for a living and have many years of working with tools and my hands. Removing the magnets from a PTW motor is not something you are going to learn from a guide. You simply have to do it. For those who wanted to know, I showed them how to do it.

It is not rocket science. But if you haven't figured out how to do it, no online guide is going to help you. You need the correct tools and strength.

It is really as simple as that.

BTW, you can remove the metal shards all you want an they will be back in the beofre you get the grip on.

I've got everything apart except for the two magnets.

So I could ask myself, is it as simple as prying them apart since theres nothing holding them in but the magnets?

I don't know, I could get the halves off as much as I'd like but before I do so I just wanted to find a second opinion. (SHOW ME WHERE TO BUY JUST THE MAGNETS WITHOUT REPLACING THE MOTOR)

You said yourself that you've done so many times in the past but yet you had to grief me over the fact that its nothing you can learn from a guide but yet people could pick it up if you'd just "shown" em.

The PTW motor is a naked motor. Normally on a encased motor, the magnets are not something you worry about since they are usually permanently affixed to the housing. SO out the comm and whatnot, but since the PTW has a PITA design, how wrong am I to find out more before I could potentially make a mistake.

Once you have removed all 8 screws (yes, there are 8) which hold the brush hood set in place as well as the bell ends, it is simply a matter of force and leverage. Alot of force.

Use a quality screwdriver and pry like a bastard, hoping your screwdriver doesn't break. I use 3 different sizes. You must also mark the polarity of the magnets relative to each other and the brush hoods. If you get that wrong, your motor will not turn and you will kill your electronics.

I learned to do it on my own, after nearly 20 years of electrical and electronics experience, and an interprovincial ticket as an electrician who actually works with electric motors. It is simple, if you know what you are doing. If you have to ask, you do not know what you are doing, and therefore shouldn't be doing it.

I could have been a dick and left out the polarity bit, and you would have found out the hard way, as there is no way to measure polarity, it is relative, and the magnets are not marked.

Your mistake is attempting to take the motor apart in the first place. It is unnecessary. But go ahead if you insist.

You Sir, have made history.

This will be the first post in all of interweb history that actually details somewhat; the dis-assembly process of the PTW motor.

Thank you again Mcguyver! I knew there were more screws than the nylon ones and you've confirmed that for me.

I salute you :salute: