KWA Kriss vector
 

So I REALLY want the KWA Kriss Vector, but it's only available in the states. how do I go about getting one? Please help.

Peewee

Meet up with an AGE VERIFIER in your area. Once verified you will have access to that glow in the brief case in Pulp Fiction! :D

View this http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=74996

im already in contact with them. just wanted to know if anyone knows how to get american made gun over here. while im going through the process

You need to read the FAQs and the forum rules first. Then you'll knowwhat the next step is.

Since when is anything made in the USA?

Once you're verified, you will have access to AV Dealers and the Classifieds. The rules here say we, as AV members, can not show or tell a non-AV member how to obtain airsoft guns. So, continue with the AV process and you will have access to these items once your status has been approved.

Its not available anywhere, it hasnt been released yet.

I believe I herd release date was sometime this summer, not sure on exact date. *fingers crossed*

I want it

So pumped for an actual release.

I already have money put aside for it!

To be honest I would have preferred it to be an AEG. Judging from the videos ,the thing has no recoil at all, so whats the point of having a GBB system. An AEG would have been more practical.

Most likely for realism, just like any other GBB pistol.

You do realize that even the real one is on the low end of recoil too. And I believe this one sports an airsoft Super V system but that could just be my hopes and prayers talking,

Don't know what the Super V system is? Google it. Pretty fucking amazing.

Im sure i heard the same thing. Though Im not 100% on it. will know when its released... Soon i hope...

im almost possitive I saw a video of the system and it is the super V to wht i remember.

Yes, that's what the gun used to be called until they renamed it the Vector.

check out airsoftgi they're taking pre order for kriss vector.

Are they in Canada yet?

Yup, but you gotta find one first! You can bet that retailers are going to be sold out fast once stock arrives!

There's websites in Canada that have entries for them up, though none currently in-stock.

Seems like they're pretty hotly anticipated, not sure if they've gone up and quickly gone out of stock or they just haven't gotten their stock in for them yet.

isnt it risky to ship a GBB across the boarder? I've bought some gear from ASGI and it cost a lot for brokerage and about 2 weeks to get here in Montreal. Should just wait till it gets into Canada.

GBB tend to be inconsistent so I wouldn't bother importing it. Just wait for the retailers to get them in.

all the shops in the states are sold out right now, and they are waiting on their second batch which is estimated to arrive end of January or beginning of February.

AFAIK, no other retailers in Canada has had any stock yet. They are all probably still waiting on the second batch from their suppliers.

I heard Revolution airsoft sold out in 45 minutes when getting them in.

They sold all there supply in about 30 minutes, they contacted me when they received and I dindt had the time to tell my cousin that they was all sold out. But there suppose to be 2 more shipping coming soon (beginning-mid february)

Ken at 007 has just gotten Vectors and Mags in stock!

Revolutionairsoft.com has it, its out of stock right now but they have it

you can get them in Canada. there is just a couple of weeks delay.

Hey guys, I have just confirmed with RA TECH (Taiwan) directly, that the NPAS we have will work with the Kriss Vector!!!!!

It will also work for KJ M4 series, KJ Ruger 10/22, KWA MP7 as well. :D :D :D

Ken

Nice... I want to use my Kriss in cqb games, so that is great news.

By the way we've had the Kriss Vectors here (Calgary) since Feb 07. But of course, they are SOLD OUT now..... :(

We are hoping to get more in a couple of weeks.

Ken

here's the thread I started on doing the valve swap to get your Kriss to indoor/CQB levels:

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?p=1763379

Got my Kriss V yesterday. Love everything about it so far besides the price tag on mags. -_-

Well that was fast.

http://www.kriss-arms.com/latest-new...nsing-with-kwa

it says theyre looking for another airsoft partner, so they just dont like KWA?

So KWA does all the R&D, then Kriss kills the partnership...
There's something fishy around this story.

Good thing I got mine already O_O

yea no kidding, everyone told me i was a fool to get the first batch and that i should wait a year or two! soooo who wants to buy a kriss.... 2 million dollars! its a limited edition after all :p

Maybe that's TM's new big announcement. A licensing deal with KRISS???

I doubt they'd sign on exclusively with TM given TM's limited target audience (domestic).

I also don't get where the idea that the Kriss will disappear comes from: they're terminating their "exclusive trademark licensing with KWA" not discontinuing the airsoft Kriss. All that says its KWA will no longer be the exclusive trademark licensee; they may even continue producing licensed products alongside other manufacturers for all we know.

Personally I half expect this results from a licensing agreement with Cybergun (or maybe even Umarex if they decide to produce a 4.5mm BB version) which would increase distribution significantly compared to KWA alone. And while KWA may have produced a succesful GBB version (which is what KWA is known for) someone else may be doing the AEG version.

true, would be nice to see a TM version of the Kriss Kard though.
I'm sure that the Vector will be here for a long time, even if it is through a different manufacturer. There was way too much demand and they sold out way too fast for the Vector to just be dropped all together...

You haven't read all the way....

This termination affects all current and future KRISS airsoft projects, including the popular KRISS Vector SMG GBB and upcoming AEG version.

KRISS Arms will also be actively pursuing any infringements of its patents and trademarks worldwide, including unauthorized manufacturing and distribution of KRISS product replicas.
As part of its strong commitment and support to the Milsim and professional training community, KRISS Arms will be seeking for new innovative partners in the airsoft industry to market its current and upcoming airsoft products.

People saying it'll go to vfc for oem and be sold by umarex

If they do that, it's the worst decision ever...

i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall, during that corporate decision.

I wonder where the dissatisfaction comes from in terms of KWA - overly-extended development and release cycle, inadequate capacity of supply for demand, and an overall marketing misjudgement of the true forecast numbers - which leaves KRISS not benefiting from maximum licensing profits, and unhappy potential customers playing a waiting game. Several movies out in the past few years featuring the KRISS Vector brand, and no ready airsoft gun out to capitalize on this in this market?

An AEG is also mentioned - was this not in development at KWA.. again also with an overly-extended development cycle?

I'm calling it now. TM is going to get it. The timing of there announcement for something new is no coincidence. Kriss knows TM's a quality brand that has been involved with Airsoft from the beginning.
I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Maybe off topic of the current news but this is an interesting bit about KWA Kriss vs Real Steel:

http://kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10993
http://www.krisstalk.com/t709-kwa-up...al-kriss-upper

You better hope your KWA KRISS never breaks down and need parts. They are stopping "unauthorized manufacturing and distribution of KRISS product replicas" that would include parts.

Even if they try they won't be able to stop everything, just look at Magpul....

Or H&K

It could be KWA is just a bitch to deal with

That doesn't say they're dropping KWA. And even if they do it sounds like there will be another GBB version to replace it, from a different manufacturer. So again, the airsoft Kriss is not going away. And even if KWA stays on board, the last part can easily mean that KWA simply won't be doing the AEG version.

Good news fomr an administrator on the KWA forums.

"Guys, we will be restocking the parts for the product soon, and we will have continued product support.

We are also trying to get more H&K parts in, so don't worry about that. MP7 CQB bolts are on order and we should be able to get them still. Just waiting on the factory to make another production run. "

But also bad news rom Allizard (it seems former KWA employee)

"Nope... KWA is done. They can no longer produce and distribute the GBB Vector. Nor the AEG version that's in the work since last year. I know.... I was there.

Perhaps a better question should be asked "What did Yih Kai (KWA's manufacturer and owner) have done to ###### off Kriss?"

There is not much more I can say publicly at this moment. But I will say this.... what they did, not only cause one person to quit US office. More than HALF of KWA staffs in US have QUIT their job. Think about that.

Former KWA Product Marketing Manager
- Allen

must be slave drivers. I know of a few companies like that
Good outside rep but treat their employees horribly

Maybe Ares is going to make the KRISS so it can be a wall hanger.

HA!
Should put that on a plaque

Money on Umarex

Licensing done by Umarex made by VFC.... bleugh....

I know. But they have pretty big distribution. From Kriss' point of view, I don't think they see it as "bleugh", but more like "okay they can do gbb and aeg and have big distribution."

bidnu$$

Like I said before, something's not right with KWA.

Could be Tokyo Marui - don't forget they have some new gas operating system coming up VERY soon that is patented and "licensed" in 7 "major countries".... hrmmm....

As I understand something is not right with "Yih Kai" KWA's manufacturer...

If it's TM, then nice move Kriss.

I called that yesterday...

TM would be really bad for us, though: looking at the track record, it seems unlikely TM would make a >366 fps gun. Plus I think "Tokyo Marui" is still a dirty word around CBSA.

So the only available to us would be small quantity of inflated priced, smuggled imports.


I'm curious if KWA will continue putting out unlicensed/unbranded copies, or even some rogue clone like the WE SMG8 (MP7).

Watch and see KSC comes out with one just to fuck with them lol

My money is on Umarex though

And I also heard on r/airsoft a few KWA employees actually left KWA to go work at Kriss

unless it's the exact same internal design, I don't see how they could make it better.
Lighter, maybe, but hard pressed to make it more reliable.
I loved EVERY single bit of detail they put into the internals. Heavily reinforced air nozzle, guides, guide stops, and most importantly the cup style piston head.
Maybe some of that is a bit overkill, but you know it'll last.

...damn. Bad timing for making a trade on a new KRISS Vector... Should I be regretting this yet? Lol fak...

Szevin I was just thinking the samething, I just got my KWA Vector a week ago with 2x mags... I hope I can still get mags, and parts if they ever break! Because I absolutely love this gun! Its dam n awesome!

From a KWA spokeperson over at Arnies:

This was posted on Arnies. This explains everything
FYI
Allizard is now working with KRISS

Aww this means no Sphinx SDP either most likely. And if KWA has lost that many people, it will probably take even longer for my Makarov to be released. Faaaaaaaaaaack.

Sucks for both parties.

That's KWA USA if the design were still done by KSC japan, it's not affected. To me I think moving designing from KSC Japan and KWA to KWAUSA was a poor choice.

I really wonder what is propiertary on the KSC/KWA design? (ie is there a patent to protect it? If not one might suspect TDI simply hired the KWAUSA folks to create the KWA vector)

I guess it depends if the airsoft gun plans are owned by KWA or KRISS.
If KWA developed the gun, it stands to reason the blueprints are theirs to own. But they can't do anything with them without KRISS licensing

Yes that's true. However, KRISS could easily clone it and KWA can't do anything unless they have patent on the hopup, NS2 system -something of that nature.

KWA can't produce it on the grounds of patent in Super V system

yes exactly, no matter what it's a lose-lose situation. So something big must have gone down

That's the wrong assumption.

KWAUSA or KWA Performance Industries is for business development, marketing, distribution, customer service and service center.

Design belongs to Yih Kai. Who employed ex-KSC engineers more than 10 years ago for majority of the design. Yih Kai is the owner of KWA Brand and the OEM for KSC Japan.

I can tell you this, those KSC MP7 sold in Japan labeled Made is Japan is total BS. They are all assembled at Yih Kai assembly plant before shipping to Japan.
KSC haven't spend a dime on the design of MP7 and the Vector . About the only thing they contribute is the 2nd gen hop-up found on the new LM4, Vector and some of the new pistols.

Also for the record, Kriss also separated with TDI. Most people didn't know much of the details either. So don't expect TDI will be contacting anyone making the airsoft Vector.

Kriss USA is TDI though "formerly"...

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensin...tice_KRISS.pdf

At least according to the internet.

But is KRISS owned by coke or pepsi? =p

So simple question? Should I sell my new Vector ASAP or will I be able to get mags, and parts if needed?

KWA representatives said that parts and mags will be available. They will not be able to sell the full gun that`s all

ok awesome thanks for the quick reply.

taken from KWA's website

City of Industry, CA – June 4th , 2013 – It has come to our attention that some confusion over KWA's continued right to market and sell the KRISS Vector SMG GBB and related licensed products may have been created by certain publicly released statements, including those made by KRISS and its management.

KWA is aware of such unfortunate statements, it vigorously disputes them and intends to take all necessary and appropriate steps to fully enforce its rights to market and sell such products.

We appreciate and highly value your long-term support and confidence in doing business with KWA. It is our most sincere wish to continue providing you with the products and service of the best possible quality.



That's good to hear, really like this gun.

I found a new option parts for kwa Kriss vector, it is a M4 ras adaptor.
http://www.tokyo-model.com.hk/shop/t...tml?cPath=1_45

There is multiple announcements on airsoft tan and tan/black KRISS in the news. Are these from KWA or KRISS?

KWA, they recently release a limited amount of Tan Kriss to the market. Saw them being promoted on Airsoft GI.

Looks tacky as hell, but Its still fifty times better than the painted tan vectors I've seen

I thought KWA and Kriss went their seperate ways

yes but any BS you heard about KWA stopping production is just that. BS,

... Wheres the Makarov and the 20 other guns they've promised like 5 years ago?

Man if I can get my hands on a black Vector I'd almost be willing to trade my F2000... almost. No seriously I want one XD

Sooooo get AV'd and buy one? There's like 5 in the classifieds...

KWA announcement on their website
 

"Announcement Concerning Kriss Vector and Related Products

City of Industry, CA – June 4th , 2013 – It has come to our attention that some confusion over KWA's continued right to market and sell the KRISS Vector SMG GBB and related licensed products may have been created by certain publicly released statements, including those made by KRISS and its management.

KWA is aware of such unfortunate statements, it vigorously disputes them and intends to take all necessary and appropriate steps to fully enforce its rights to market and sell such products.

We appreciate and highly value your long-term support and confidence in doing business with KWA. It is our most sincere wish to continue providing you with the products and service of the best possible quality. "


So.....Does this statement means they will continue making and selling KRISS GBB? Not exactly clear cut in the wording.

http://kwausa.com/latest-news/123-kr...r-announcement

Well considering they're still in stock everywhere, and still up on their page, yes they're still making it