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CattivoD October 2nd, 2012 18:31

Inokatsu 2011 Sopmod downgrade 350fps?
 
Finally got my hands on my Ino M4 2011 Super...anyone know how to downgrade it to 350fps for indoor skirmishing?

Any help would be greatly appreciated...

Dynamo October 2nd, 2012 18:57

you can get a RA-Tech NPAS and deal with it self adjusting down to nothing. or have a new valve spacer made to keep it at <350.

CattivoD October 2nd, 2012 19:39

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 1709824)
you can get a RA-Tech NPAS and deal with it self adjusting down to nothing. or have a new valve spacer made to keep it at <350.

Do I need the full bolt assembly or just the valve? the NPAS with bolt is 280$ the valve is 10$ Im willing to spend the money on whatever works best but the 2011 Bolt is considered to be the best in the biz...

Dynamo October 2nd, 2012 21:32

you would need this
http://en.ratech.com.tw/english/inde...=39&Itemid=153

though im not 100% sure it's a direct drop in for the Ino bolt.

GBBR October 2nd, 2012 21:43

Oh easy. use DUSTER GAS.
less strain on gun and cleaner than propane. also half the price if not 1/3 of green gas
secondly inokatsu bolts arent that good. i have 2 broken ones at home

Dynamo October 3rd, 2012 00:58

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Originally Posted by GBBR (Post 1709876)
Oh easy. use DUSTER GAS.
less strain on gun and cleaner than propane. also half the price if not 1/3 of green gas
secondly inokatsu bolts arent that good. i have 2 broken ones at home

the WA bolt design is bad generally. the Inu is not designed to be run on duster, it would have a hard time cycling.

Ozone06 October 3rd, 2012 01:24

Why would you want to use a inokatsu for indoors?? That's like buying a lamborghini Aventador for grocery shopping... Yeah you can do it.... BUT WHY!!?!?! FOR the LOVE OF GOD why!!

mmmken October 3rd, 2012 01:31

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Originally Posted by Ozone06 (Post 1709934)
Why would you want to use a inokatsu for indoors?? That's like buying a lamborghini Aventador for grocery shopping... Yeah you can do it.... BUT WHY!!?!?! FOR the LOVE OF GOD why!!

Bad comparison. GBBR's are suited for indoors since temperatures can be easily regulated. All an INO excels at is realism and recoil. It doesn't shoot any better or anything.

CattivoD October 3rd, 2012 15:33

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 1709872)
you would need this
http://en.ratech.com.tw/english/inde...=39&Itemid=153

though im not 100% sure it's a direct drop in for the Ino bolt.

Thanks bro I will look into it just sent you a PM

CattivoD October 3rd, 2012 15:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozone06 (Post 1709934)
Why would you want to use a inokatsu for indoors?? That's like buying a lamborghini Aventador for grocery shopping... Yeah you can do it.... BUT WHY!!?!?! FOR the LOVE OF GOD why!!

Same would go for why are you questioning what I want to do with my money?

We all have our stupid reasons for doing things I guess.

CattivoD October 3rd, 2012 15:45

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Originally Posted by mmmken (Post 1709935)
Bad comparison. GBBR's are suited for indoors since temperatures can be easily regulated. All an INO excels at is realism and recoil. It doesn't shoot any better or anything.

exactly...all good

kullwarrior October 3rd, 2012 16:59

gas-in-mag GBBR will never have a range of AEG simply because of the propellent pressure fluctuation.
I would recommend AGAINST using the WA type of NPAS. The recoil of the gun will self adjust the fps (not from the propellent or temperature)
Shorter inner barrel is one way (I doubt there's a need for X-tra long inner barrel.

CattivoD October 3rd, 2012 21:54

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1710122)
gas-in-mag GBBR will never have a range of AEG simply because of the propellent pressure fluctuation.
I would recommend AGAINST using the WA type of NPAS. The recoil of the gun will self adjust the fps (not from the propellent or temperature)
Shorter inner barrel is one way (I doubt there's a need for X-tra long inner barrel.

Why would you recommend against it? RA tech makes one specifically for the Ino 2011 ?

GBBR October 3rd, 2012 22:04

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Originally Posted by CattivoD (Post 1710239)
Why would you recommend against it? RA tech makes one specifically for the Ino 2011 ?

well, RAtech does make some stuff that's cough cough not in your best interest to put in your gun cough cough. like the WE BCG and aluminum bolt.

Dynamo October 4th, 2012 00:05

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Originally Posted by CattivoD (Post 1710239)
Why would you recommend against it? RA tech makes one specifically for the Ino 2011 ?

the problem with the RA-Tech NPAS is in its design. the only thing maintaining the power output setting on the NPAS, is friction. once the gun starts to cycle, the vibrations will cause the NPAS to unscrew it self. so slowly the FPS will drop until it wont fire any more. this can be fixed by using some loctite, but then you loose the ability to adjust the FPS.

kullwarrior October 4th, 2012 09:59

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 1710269)
the problem with the RA-Tech NPAS is in its design. the only thing maintaining the power output setting on the NPAS, is friction. once the gun starts to cycle, the vibrations will cause the NPAS to unscrew it self. so slowly the FPS will drop until it wont fire any more. this can be fixed by using some loctite, but then you loose the ability to adjust the FPS.

percisely, the bigger issue is that the flute valve is tends to like to rotate when gas is feeding and this in turn adjust the NPAS. WE NPAS (not the nozzle one) does not have this issue since the NPAS is the flute valve, WA/KSC/WE-nozzle NPAS has the Nozzle base as the NPAS.

Dynamo October 4th, 2012 14:02

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1710315)
percisely, the bigger issue is that the flute valve is tends to like to rotate when gas is feeding and this in turn adjust the NPAS. WE NPAS (not the nozzle one) does not have this issue since the NPAS is the flute valve, WA/KSC/WE-nozzle NPAS has the Nozzle base as the NPAS.

i have found the flute valve NPAS to be problematic as well. the cross pin that holds the valve in place can snap in half due to the weight of the flute valve. an MP7 i worked on had this happen, and i had to make a new larger diameter cross pin to prevent it from breaking again.


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