Buying KWA LM4
 

Looking to buy a gbbr withing the nex two months. Im really interested in the KWA pts LM4 M4 magpul edition. The gun looks solid. The kickback is amazing. Everything about it looks perfect. BUT a couple questions. Is it worth getting the magpul edition. How much less is the stock edition?

I'm enjoying my LM4. KWA forums have ALOT of information.
As a comparison price wise. I got my LM4 for 420 +tax - free shipping. That was fairly soon after it was released.
I ended up putting a MOE grip - 50$ real steel
AFG - 30- fake.
CTR stock - 85 -- i think its a real steel
mbus sights - knock offs for 40
As for the rail - i put a dragonfire on mine - big ol' 16.25 inch - its a beast so i couldn't comment on that. Im also not a fan of the magpul rail/handguard.

but if you dont want to put magpul on it... then dont buy the magpul version. If you are going to magpul it anyway i think its cheaper to buy the magpul version.

Depending on the site, about 100$ difference. G&P makes a magpul version as well and it's easyer to find parts for.

Hmm ok. Im seeing the magpul edition for around $450. If its only a few bucks then id just get that version. Any more than that id just go with the reg lm4. Also what mags do u run on it. Just the lm4 tin mags or pmags. I think theres a $20 difference aloooottt of money alone on mags

If you get the lm4, definitely look at the ra-tech steel tensioner arm and chamber sleeve, and the maple leaf hopup rubber. It's a whole different world from the stock setup, and the kits only like $20.

I have 3 pmags and 1 stanag. just cuz the pmags can be bought in 3 packs for a lil cheaper than 1 at a time from hongkong.
as for the EVOII hop up tensioner as suggest above, they seem awesome! but are apparently sold out all over, unless you wanna buy the one that comes with the pistol barrel etc as they are interchangle able.

I also think the new lm4's. as in the ones being produced since the 'old' are all sold out lol have the hole drilled for the Bolt Catch Mod.

I highly recommend doing this mod. I waited a long time before doing it and the continual bolt releasing rounded my bolt and my bolt catch and now its VERY intermittent. The bolt catch mod is one of the best things you can do for the lm4 in almost every post ive seen or read.

Ive also got a RA-tech 6.01, and the npas installed. A cut down real steel A2 buffer so more recoil :D haha

ill probably look into the maple leaf bucking and the steel arm because the standard hop is ok. but not great. the improvement is apparently extremely good!

if you wish to take off barrel nuts etc. They are often locktite'd or super glued..or welded.. haha not welded but it honestly felt like it. Some people have litteraly torn their guns inhalf trying to remove the barrel nut so have a torch and proper tools to melt the glue or lock tite to be safe!

Just a note here, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not at all about this so it's a way of asking the question at the same time:

This chamber is clearly using the same system than the US version of the LM4, as the Asian version (I own the Asian Magpul Edition LM4) uses the older ball bearing system.

What I'm not sure about is, would that upgrade work out of the box with the Asian LM4? Or would I need to change the inner barrel? Or is it a no go?

THanks

Sorry I can't tell you if it will fit or not. I would assume you would have to swap the hop and barrel to make it work? But even then I'm not sure if it would fit. You could attempt to look at photos and compare?
All my knowledge has been gained from reading US forums. In the US the asia version isn't legal so it never comes up in the forums I read.

I know boobiem4h on youtube and kwa usa forums has fit some different types of hop ups including the ball bearing one to his lm4 but it is also the US version

Yeah I've been lurking on KWA's forum since day one, but never got to have an really answer to this question

Thanks anyways

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To OP:

Be aware of those difference; between US and Asian version; I suggest you go read those threads on KWA's forum. US version is supposedly a bit more reinforced, but is not 1:1 to specs with a real M4, while the asian is more on the spot...

If you are a MagPul fan go with the MagPul edition, in addition to the MagPul furniture, you get a MagPul body and the quality of it is stupendous.

Yeah but G&P is using WA system which is ultra gas inefficient.

I'll take KWA or WE or KJW or WA system anyday

I would definitely think that the Magpul edition would be worth it. My LM4 is the standard model, and it performs amazingly well. I do need to find that maple leaf bucking though. I'm hearing people are getting rediculously good accuracy with it. I would stay away from the Pmags, however. They cost more, hold 38 rounds, (two less than the STANAG's 40) and a lot of people have had major issues with them, myself included. Of the 7 mags I bought, 4 have needed to be taken apart, and only two of them have gotten back in my kit. The other two just refuse to hold gas.

You have to change the barrel and hopup to the american style (non-ball bearing) The new style barrel has an extra notch around the barrel where the tensioner arm clips on to that the ball bearing style doesn't have.

What Boobie did on YouTube was dremel out a channel for the ball bearing inside the new style hopup chamber.

As for the Evo II being sold out, I got mine from Airsoft Taiwan, I actually bought the $40 kit that comes witrh the whole hopup and barrel for the m9 or g-series, and just took the arm, rubber and steel sleeve, and put the barrel and chamber aside.

Only downside with the Evo II, is that it has a really strong hop effect out of the box, like almost overhopping .3's with the hopup dialed off. So you have to (CAREFULLY!) bend the arm up a little bit, so that it's not pushing as far into the barrel right away. Gonna take some tweaking, but the difference in range/accuracy is stunning, and since I've had lots of issues with the stock brass arm bending all to hell, it's nice not to have to worry about that.

As an aside, I'm hoping to do the bolt catch mod on mine this weekend. I don't often release the bolt with the charging handle, but it bugs me that I don't at least have the option :-) Also thinking of doing the mod that adjusts the length of trigger pull, but we'll see how much courage I have with the dremel in my hand...

@Danneichh: In regards to leaky Pmags, have you checked this video out? =

HOW TO: KWA LM4 PMAG Leak Fix - YouTube

Don't know if there's anythign in there you haven't tried, but thought I'd point it out all the same.

Thanks! I'll have to have a look at that video when I get home. I've tightened the release valvs, which seemed to be the problem on all four. Two worked perfectly after, one started leaking from the fill valve, and the last one now leaks from both valves. :s Airsoft Taiwan you say? I'll check them out. What is it you need to do exactly to change the hopup? And I would have done the bolt catch mod, but I neither have the tools nor the skill with a dremel to tackle that thing. I will probably buy STANAGS now anyways. I made my LM4 geared towards a Marines type loadout, and I would rather have STANAGS. I just couldn't findbthem anywhere six months ago. :(

you have to dissamble the front barrel to get at the hopup. take off your rails, take off the barrel nut, and pull your barrel out. There's two grub screws on the top and bottom, loosen those off and you can pull the hopup chamber and inner barrel out.

I'll find you the thread on the KWA forum about disassembly, they have pictures :-)

UPDATE: here it is: http://kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8778

Two of my pmags also leaked and took some work to disassemble and finally got them non-leaking. As far as buying from airsoft taiwan the ppl on kwa forums, specifically, Akira, who is a big name along with noobie in the forums had lots of problems ordering from them. But thas only one case. As for the maple leaf bucking I'm sure other retailers will have them back soon and save the 20$ and not get the barrel with it.

As far as the trigger mod goes. Some say it may weaken reliability down the road because you are essentially limiting the amount of contact that holds the hammer down.
But its your call. FOR SURE do the bolt catch mod! I love it!

And a note on upper disassembly. The barrel nut is on there super tight! Be sure to do it 'right' and smart or else you may find yourself very sad.

invest in an upper receiver vice block. worth its weight in gold.

I heard that about airsoft taiwan as well, and was very sketchy about ordering from them, I actually ordered a second set from Redwolf (which also carries the kit) because I heard people weren't getting shipments sent from airsoft taiwan on time...

AST actually shipped my package first thing the next morning, and it got to me before my Redwolf order. So... I could be the fluke, but who knows.

Anyways, the set is instock here (for now at least): http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...C_G_Series.htm

I thought the magpul version could only take the magpul lm4 mags. They were hella more expensive as well.

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Far as I know (and I could be wrong) both versions can use either mags. But if you had your heart set on Pmags, you can buy them in 3-packs from Airsoft Global, $170. Works out to $56 each, but you're gonna pay hefty in shipping...

http://www.airsoftglobal.com/shop/in...ducts_id=15592

I'm tempted to try and start collecting pmags, because when the KWA Masada comes out, regular stanag mags are gonna look wierd in it :-)

Both mags do in fact work with both guns. Its essentially the same receiver and internal setup, just some flashy engraving on the receiver and different furniture. Hell, I would trade you my Pmags for STANAGs in a heartbeat. :p I tried a while back to get the barrel assembly out, and I discovered that my AR wrench doesn't fit. I was horrified. And I'll see about getting a bucking from Redwolf, to the best of my knowledge they are quite reputable.

.... hm. how many pmags did you say you had again? :-)

--edit: Also, I've ordered from Redwolf numerous times, never had a single issue with them. and if you look around online, you may find the odd coupon code floating around for them as well...

Thanks for the links and the info. I'll definitely try to get my hands on one now. I recall seeing boobie getting crazy good accuracy and distance with it.

Bolt mod complete! Surprisingly simple to do, just a little nerve wracking dremeling and drilling... Works like a charm though :-)

I'm jealous. I watched the walkthrough on how to do it, and thought it would be nice and easy, and then he broke out the dremel... Game Over.

haha, its only a teeny bit of dremeling... just shaving one section, and drilling a small hole. cutting the spring to the right length was the tricky bit.

Thought we had screwed it up when we tested at the end, realized after I got home that the reason the charging handle wouldn't release the bolt was because the mag was still empty, so of course the bolt stays locked.... Put a bb in the mag, and it worked perfectly. :-)

UPDATE: Check it out --> Lm4 charging handle mod - YouTube

Shoot me a pm I'm trying to sell mine

how many mags do you guys carry on the field? especially those of you that run the pmags which weigh almost 2 lbs. a little heavier than a fully loaded real stanag. i carry 8 on my WE which is ok but for the lm4, it would be massive. the reason i asked is because i will definitely get the lm4 once they release the mega arms version.

I carry eight. Seven Pmags, and one STANAG. I'm shooting for ten though. I short load my mags to 30 rounds, so my goal is to have 300 rounds (usually the limit in milsim games) on me. I'm built like a brick shithouse though, so I can't say I notice the weight much. :P

Currently have 6, getting a seventh this week. On my current loadout, I can carry 7+1 between my plate carrier, belt and gun, but will generally run 5+1. I also have an ARES Combat XII pack, that if I wanted could hold another 6 in the mag pouches at the top, but I can't see myself ever needing to carry 14 mags on the field, even for a 24 hour milsim, and even at 30 rounds a mag...

EDIT: Should specify that's currently all STANAG, but am changing out to PMAG's, and will keep the arrangement the same, and simply adjust to the additional weight.

Where can i buy one of these toronto airsoft is alwasy sold out

To the best of my knowledge, I got the last one TA has ever sold. I would try Revolution Airsoft, they usually have them.

If you're after a KWA LM4 magpul PM me, I can custom order one for you.