416 GBBR I know another 416 thread
 

So everyone I would like your oppinions on which 416 GBBR I should get. I guess it comes down to two companys VFC and WE. I know that there seems to be a lot more parts available for the WE. But I like the idea of using G&P Pmags with the VFC. I know it should be Emags but at least the Pmags look better than the plain old metal M4 mags.
Is one more reliable than the other in the short term and the long term. Is there a good source for VFC upgrade parts?
Tell me what you would do and why?
Please and thanks

I believe someone did make pmag shells for WE magazines if that's of any help... I think i saw it over on gasguns.info

416
 

Does anyone know where I can get VFC 416 GBB in Canada other than Milsig. They are way over priced on just about everything. Obviously if the gun is hard to get and the extras are hard to get then I will go WE. Thanks for letting me know about the mag sleeves I have seen those and I don't mind do that to the WE mags, If I go WE that is.

Doesn't a guy with the username who's a donkey character from winnie the pooh do GBBR's? Maybe ask him? I think his prices are generally pretty reasonable especially considering he doesn't do high volume and does custom stuff sometimes.

LOL
 

Eyorre LOL

advice
 

So no one has an oppinion on which one I should buy, VFC or WE?

My understanding is WE has more reliable internals, while VFC has a superior external finish. If you want looks, and are willing to upgrade, go VFC. If you would rather have a gun that is more reliable but less pretty, go WE.

There are Pmag shells for WE but the 416 receiver is different then the M4 mag well. They don't lock.

Personal Experience. :D

lock
 

Well that sucks. I'm leaning more towards the VFC. I have no problems upgrading the internals of a gun. Most need to have that done anyway. I like the fact the both VFC mags and G&P will fit the VFC.

The PMAGs for WE are modified real steel PMAG shells (requires non-negligible modifications); there are no COTS WE-compatible PMAGs. The RS mags also drive up the cost-per-mag considerably.

The 416 and M4 lowers are identical save for the shape (angle) of the lower edge of the magwell.

The tip edge of the PMAGs have to be trimmed down: if the height they're trimmed is off (mag sits slightly too low or at the wrong angle) then that could cause bolt lock to not engage properly. Otherwise the internals of the mag are entirely the same and I don't see why the bolt wouldn't lock back (although the WE bolt lock is finicky under the best of circumstances).



WE vs VFC. The WE is a workhorse that works pretty well out the box and won't set you back much. The VFC is moar purdy and has extra doodads available, but you'll be paying more for everything along the entire line and you'll probably need to do a lot of internal upgrading before you get a solid workhorse.

WE
 

Okay great now I'm leaning more to the WE. I understand that the VFC is better looking. But are the internals realy all that bad? I know that with the WE there are a lot Ra-tech internals you can get. But isnt the VFC WA compatible? If that is so then there should be just as much in the way of upgrade parts?

I would say WE. Toronto Airsoft just re-stocked theirs, I also saw it in person last Thursday at Ultimate Airsoft.

It's a pretty gun, that being said, WE parts are always available, so in terms of upgrades you shouldn't have a problem finding parts like I am with my KWA LM4.

I have never heard anyone call VFC bad.

I know I end up upgrading my gun's internals eventually, no matter the gun.

It really depends on you. You will possibly save money by going WE.

Money
 

Thats one of the reason I can see going to WE is the cost. But I realy love the look of the VFC and it has trades. Some one call me a WAAMBULANCE!

It's decided, you have a crush on the VFC!

Just grab it, you won't be disappointed.

Price
 

Your right I guess do have a gun crush! It's only about $100. more and It has full trades and the E1 stock.

In my opinion, I'm going to say if you're the tinkering type, go with the WE. If you're the type who's only willing to go as far as a field strip, go with the VFC.

I purchased a WE M4 in late 2011, by now I think the only item I have on it that's from the original rifle is the lower receiver; everything's been swapped out for an upgraded part, or the RS equivalent. I just like knowing the RS parts will fit, versus having to deal with different manufacturers making different dimensioned components. The sky's pretty much the limit, and I have a rifle that hasn't had a hiccup for the last 2000 rounds fired through it (It double fed at a February game at Ultimate Airsoft, if you don't count that it's closer to 5000-6000 rounds without a hiccup)

YMMV, of course. Either way, you'll have a great experience with a GBBR; nothing quite like doing a mag dump on automatic.

Seeing as their is a thread already about the hk416,
I was wondering which brand of gbb magazines are compatible with the we hk416. I've been on a couple of sites and that have pmags or emags that are for every brand but we. Could I just buy a g&p gbb magazine made for vfc and use it on my we? Or would they not work. Am I stuck with the regular looking we gbb mags forever!?

Nope, you're limited to WE. I will say the 2nd generation WE magazines are awesome, they have yet to leak on me. Also, PMAGs don't work in the 416.

Thats a question I've had for awhile... where do you guys get your RS internals. I see most people around here swap with DPMS parts...

If anyone would kindly PM me - as this isn't an AV thread. (might be a AV topic)

I got a WE M4 sitting on my desk in pieces gutted, waiting to be put back together :D

So this means that the only brand I can use is WE in my WE hk416? Could I use WE M4 mags as well then?

Mags
 

The mag issue for me is a big one as well. Since G&P now make a make for the VFC 416 I have a choice between two. From what I have seen and read the WE can only use WE mags and I think the SCAR, M4 and 416 all can use the same mag...please correct me if I'm wrong.
Some one should come up with mag adaptors that would allow you to use other manufaturers mag. Similar to say those knock off companys in China or HongKong that make Canon adaptors to fit Nikon or reverse etc. I think some one could make a lot of money off of something like that. Just a thought.

Pmags
 

The real steel 416 doesnt use Pmags, Emags yes but not Pmags. Unless your critical and want absolute authenticity who cares. IF your a gamer go with what works and what floats your boat...I know I know SACRALIGE!!!!

Check your inbox.

It's a bit more complicated than that. The WA and WE systems differ in terms of valve placement, as well as how they lock the bolt back. An adaptor probably wouldn't work in that limited space. I'm confused as to what you mean by "the WE can only use WE mags and I think the SCAR, M4 and 416 all can use the same mag" though.

So if I bought some emags, nevertheless the brand it works for I could put it in my We hk416? And what I think jomor means is that all we m4 style mags will fit in the we scar, and the we hk416. And only with its respective brand only. Correct me if I'm wrong!

As far as I know, WE Weapons can only be used with WE Magazine,

Reference Photo: Click Me

"WE SCAR-L, WE 4168, WE L85, WE T91, WE M4 Raptor, etc."

I know there are players here using RS Pmag shell modified and fit on WE m4 mag internal, so yes, there are Pmag/Emag for WE guns.

Exactly
 

Yup thats what I meant. The WE M4 Mags fit the WE Scar, the WE 416 and the WEM4. Using a real mag shell is kind of cool. My mind is made up. I'm going VFC.

sure about VFC? I haven't heared anything good about vfc other than the external...

Comes down to personal preference, think Jomor has decided!

Post some pictures up once you get it buddy.

Good luck.

VFC
 

I will do that once I get it! Thanks for all the help and advice guys!

The new gen M3 PMAGs work in the 416, SA80, SCAR, etc.

No.

You need to buy RS Emags, not some random brand airsoft Emag, and you need to modify it (trim the top, file down a ridge along the inside front edge of the mag). Then you can fit the WE mag internals into the modded Emag shell.


edit: check this thread on gasguns, it has pictures and shit: http://www.gasguns.info/forum/viewto...=1435&start=20