best aeg brands
 

Not counting used Systema , FCC and Real Swords, I was asked what the best brands of AEG costing around $500 would be. ALL i could think of were TM , VFC, ICS, KWA and maybe G&P. What would you add to the list and were would you put it in the line-up?

what are you conditions for best?

Some guns have better externals but shit internals... others have reasonable externals but highly compatible exact spec internals and mounting points for internal components.

Whats' wrong with the list you have? That's pretty extensive.

I think what he meant~ better internals over externals- tight grouping, dependable- out of the box performance

I would throw King Arms, Classic Army, G&G and Lonex into that mix.

Add LCT into that mix as well.

Perhaps removing kwa from it for aeg's. I don't mind them, but not heavily experienced with them. They are not a favorite brand (hated really) over on airsoft mechanics for being very proprietary internally & meh kwa branded externals.. $0.02

Definitely CYMA and D-boys for certain models, such as AKs.

kwa has some weird offspec components that have no upgrades like the nozzle from what I understand.

I'll shit on TM half as much as I shit on PTWs... not worth the price in canada after upgrading them to field spec, you still have a plastic bodied gun and an unreinforced potmetal gearbox that will more than likely crack.

Almost all the clone brands have surpassed TM in gearbox strength.

If the hop is what makes them legendary, you can achieve it by buying the TM hop unit separately an installing it into the other TM spec gun of your choice for far less money that the TM. At this point, buying a TM rifle is for the sake of buying a TM rifle, not because of its performance. TM has given us TM spec, AEG and hopup, and that's what is important about them. As a modern brand outside japan, unless you can get it for cheap, is not worth it.

I respectfully disagree. The aforementioned AK-specific brands (LCT, VFC, RS) are ahead of those ACM brands by miles.

Did you try the new High Cycle TM?

Ie: 1500 rpm at 300 fps with TM accuracy and reliability with a 2 cell lipo or 8.4v battery.

The rof provide a trigger response like a gbbr, which is amazing!

And it use the standard mag, but high cap can t keep up

This thread has gone that way, once again like all it's predecessors.

The best brand is the one that builds the AEG that you want in your price range and that's available in Canada.

For some people that best brand is Crossman. For others it's Systema.

Realsword for externals at least
I'm not too aware of their internals though

I wouldn't say VFC and LCT are ahead by miles, RS is external wise. As for the TM high cycle, 25 RPS isn't hard when the guns shoot at such a low FPS.

25 rps on an 8.4 is pretty easy to achieve especially at 300 fps. Either by faster gear ratio or faster motor.. since it requires so little torque to turn over the m80/90 springs in the stock TM, a faster gear ratio will get 25 rps easy.

You can lego build 30rps these days without much trouble, my p90 is proof of that.

Yeah, 11.1V LiPo with any of those ACM neo motors and 18:1 gears should net around 30 RPS. Of course, the standard tune up (AOE, sorbo, etc) need to be done as well to ensure that it will work well.

I think the ics g33 also shoots in the 20s for RPS by the sounds of it just with a 7.4 lipo.

If we're talking about externals, I could care less for any of those brands. Now I realize vast majority of you love the modern gadgets, so I can understand.
As for somebody who loves the old school, AGM, Javeline, SRC, G&G, etc...

Never forget, internals can be swapped out pretty damn easy, externals.. not so much.

I hate this question, anytime anyone asks me I respond with a bunch of questions.

Every type of gun has different companies i would suggest (AK, M4, P90, ect ect)

Everyone's opinion on what makes it the "best" is also different. some would say longevity out of the box, others would say the lemon rate. There are lots of factors that would make something the "best"
My personal opinion is the two most important factors are(in no particular order):

1) Upgrade-ability; eventually something will break, or you will want to change/upgrade parts. some guns that use lots of proprietary parts limit you to what you can get. guns that can run for 100k rounds out the box mean little to me, as I rarely get that far before I want to upgrade.

2) External build quality; as stated above, i usually change the internals, but the externals, for the most part, won't be changed. So I would much rather a gun with nice external quality, even if I have to take out the gearbox and slap in a new one to make it shoot properly.

But these 2 factors are only if the gun is going to be a primary, if im looking for a backup, i would rather have something that shoots out of the box and i don't have to do anything to it (like a TM)

I dunno, when you have a nicely tuned primary that shoots really fast or has great trigger response... you can't go back to a stock aeg, even as a backup.

I gutted my g36 for that reason, I couldn't stand the fact that the trigger response was so sluggish. It had to equal my p90 or better it.

That the good part of tm high cycle, out of the box reliability, accuracy and trigger response.

I'm disappointed to learn that KWA isn't as good as expected because availability of replacement parts needs to be considered. IMO Jg , Dboys and Cyma aren't at the"worth $500 level" I forgot about Lonex although they don't make a lot of models. This gun needs to shoot 360 fps or more so... no Hi Cycle Aug

kwa aegs aren't terrible, it's just the part selection is... you have to go back to kwa for parts it's not a terrible issue since you can contact them pretty easily but when there's other stuff out there for the same price or cheaper that have the modularity of TM spec, it's not a choice at that point.

Cyma AK is best AK for the price

Dboys steel ak line is nicer but slightly more expense

LCT AK is much nicer but much more expense

TM is like that guy who created a new kind of music, you like his old hits but he's just not relevant anymore (when it comes to aeg ak's)

I like that, i like TM a lot too, Sometimes the cover of a song just makes you long for the original lol

Same, their gbb pistols are great, TM Hicapa is my favorite pistol

No love for G&P evryone? :)

I have 2 G&P aeg ( Mk46 sopmod and Magpul/Vltor M4 ) and those 2 guns are by far the best i have used whitout any upgrades.

The G&P Mk46 is a weapon of mass destruction out of the box, after only adjusted the hop-up i can pick up targets up to 200 feet and as a very good rof. Solid body unlike the crapy a&k or ares...

as for the m4 i have, its not perfect but its very solid ( external and internal ) my only complain is the mid to long range precision. then again its out of the box...

its just a question of taste, i love those 2 guns and they served me very well to this day but someone else could hate them.... so :)

If have 3 AEG M4's, they are the full metal Colt M4A1 King Arms, full metal M4A1 KWA and the G&G CM16 Raider CQB.

I use the King Arms the most, secondly the G&G is a backup and lastly the KWA (until I fix the hop-up then it will be the backup rifle).

The King Arms and KWA run 11.1v lipo and the G&G runs crane stock 9.6v NiMH or 7.4v lipo.

King Arms has an upgraded gearbox with electronic trigger and 455mm TBB Madbull PythonII and out ranges most AK's and sniper rifles hence why it's currently my favorite.

+1 for kwa and g&g.

Have G&G, G&P and VFC.

I would have to say VFC has the best exteriors, G&P second.

My G&G have bad seams and cosmetic defects. Many other people have reported that as well.

Of the AEG's I've owned or my brother has owned and I've used, performance wise stock: Real Sword>CYMA>VFC>G&G=JG>Classic Army

The Cyma's I've owned turn out to be quite good as long as they have the neo magnet motors. The Classic Army UMP my brother owns has FPS deviation from 280 to 380 and the hop up isn't quite good.

Externals wise, Real Sword>VFC>G&G>Classic Army>Cyma>JG

id write G&P deff above ICS imo....