Why Over 366 FPS?
 

Hey all, been a while since I've lurked these forums.

It came to mind that according to Canadian Laws, an airsoft gun can only be imported if its between 366 and 500 fps. Anything below 366 fps is illegal, to my understanding

My question is why? Wouldn't it make more sense for 366 (hypothetically) to be the limit? Why accept hotter guns and ban ones that have less chance to injure?

Also, sorry if this has been posted, I searched a little and googled it and can't really find much.

Thanks :)

http://www.replicaairguns.com/posts/...er-366fps.html

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=155686

Replica = illegal

366 FPS with 0.20g BBs = Can hurt you

Replica = can't hurt you

Anything that can hurt you = not a replica

If you want a gun that shoots under 366, make sure it has a clear or smoked receiver/frame, etc.

In a nutshell.

That's not quite accurate, the inferior limit is 366 fps with .20g BBs and the upper limit is 500 fps AND 5.7joules, which works out to over 700 fps with .20g BBs. For the majority of airsoft guns, there isn't an "upper limit."

Firearm = pew pew = damage = legal.
Replica = no pew pew = no damage = illegal.

Studies concluded that a projectile with a velocity of 366 fps, in the case of a airsoft non-replica, could cause significant damage, which classifies it as a firearm.

Studies also concluded that a projectile with a kinetic energy of 5.7 joules, assuming a velocity of at least 500 fps, for a firearm is lethal enough to classify it as a restricted firearm.

Airsoft above 366fps/1.25J = firearm.
Firearm = pew pew = damage = legal.

Airsoft above 500fps/5.70J = restricted firearm.
Restricted firearm = pew pew death = restricted (but still legal!).

Welcome to AirsoftCanada. Also, change every occurence of the word "restricted" for "controlled".

Studies concluded that a projectile with a velocity of 366 fps, in the case of a airsoft non-replica, could cause significant damage, which classifies it as an uncontrolled firearm.

Studies also concluded that a projectile with a kinetic energy of 5.7 joules, assuming a velocity of at least 500 fps, for a firearm is lethal enough to classify it as a non restricted firearm.

Airsoft above 366fps/1.25J = un controlled firearm.
uncontrolled Firearm = pew pew = damage = legal.

Airsoft above 500fps/5.70J = non restricted firearm.
firearm = pew pew death = controlled (but still legal!).

Canadian law allows for Non restricted and restricted Fire Arms. Both have separate Licences that must be tested and granted by the appropriate authorities. RCMP or CFO. The Airsoft guns are Un Controlled Firearms in that they are like Pellet Guns, to wit, they shoot something that will cause bodily harm or maim, but lacks the ability to cause death. 366 is a formulated # decided that it is sufficient to cause the above effects shy of death.
If your legal defense starts with.... "the Dude I sell Pants guy said....." you're skrewed.
Welcome to AirsoftCanada.

M'yeah, that's what I meant. I got the word "controlled" and "restricted" mixed up. Blame it on my less than perfect mastery of the English language. That's what I deserve for acting like an ass. Thanks for clarifying.

Stupid laws that don't make sense. If you were to order a gun via states or anywhere else get documentation proving it shoots the required fps.

Well, they do make sense, sort of. Basically imagine Canada without airsoft, but you needed laws that cover everything from firearms to replicas, and everything in between. So now you come up with a complex set of regulations, based upon your current need, but then you add airsoft to the mix. Basically we fell into a series of categorizations, and our current "airgun" laws, are the legal work around provided, so that we can fit into the system.

yeah would be nice if airsoft were popular enough to get its own separate laws but thats unlikely to happen ...
cuz really ... who cares if they shoot lower than 366

be careful what you ask for.. as the most likely airsoft specific law would be a prohibition.

You stammered it out in English better than I could in French, monsieur.
I only clarified because the words do carry specific differences in the regulations surrounding them.
As far as the stooped laws go we have a distinct law regarding airsoft. as the US has the rules around the Orange Tip and Great Britain has the rules about Semi only, no full auto. So in the grand scheme of things we are doing OK.

And that's why we use it to shoot each other. LOL

Still way better than Chinese airsoft law.

How about everyone just appreciate the fact you can import guns yourself now and not have to pay $900 for a G&P M4?

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...And there's rules against posting porn on ASC.

sooooo be glad it's not steam forums? lol
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Damn, didn't expect everyone to come rushing to my aid so quickly.

Thanks a bunch guys, you cleared that up pretty well. :)

I was gonna say gun, but I like using outside examples lol

GB is 2 tone for under 18's and people with "non skirmisher status".

Germany and NZ I believe are the countries with semi only (Australia it's banned).

And yet indoor limits are usually 350fps in canada....you do the math

Or sometimes even 300. There is however guns that have clear or smoked receivers, and they are perfectly legal at lower FPS. Here's the weird one though. You have a gun that shoots 380 FPS, but looks like a real gun, totally legal right? Now, said gun breaks, and now it shoots nothing.

.........Do the math on that one.

don't you love our laws?

Don't confuse the rules for importation with the field safety rules for playing.

Once imported, a gun that was legal for imported can be downgraded and remain legal. More to the point, the reason it is legal for import is because @ 366 fps it's considered capable of causing injury.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...me_air-eng.htm

These airgun laws are strictly for classification and criminal code use, and have nothing directly to do with importation, though importation laws will meet or exceed that of the criminal code. It "clearly" states that "possession" of an airgun that resembles a real firearm with near precision, and has a muzzle velocity off less than 366 FPS is considered a replica, and that replicas are prohibited. Then technically speaking, downgrading after importation or purchase, would render your airsoft gun prohibited.

A problem occurs when you start to make laws based on potentials
We can't import an airsoft gun over 366fps because we COULD downgrade it to be illegal
Well then you might as well ban umbrellas because you can modify them to be a concealed firearm

When it comes to importing, it is what it is when it hits the border and thats that

If you guys think these laws are confusing and backwards, take a look at the firearms act. Airsoft has NOTHING on the FA.

What he said... I was about to start ranting about how stupid firearm laws are in Canada but there is too much to rant about and I don't have the energy right now...

Still I think (not 100% sure) we have more access to firearms compared to most (definitely not all) modern democracies.

Yup, Canada doesn't like to re-write anything. Cut paste, add, brandade, is the order of the day. I don't understand why remove, re-write, and modernize isn't the bare minimum.

I dont think the queen would approve of change lol

Start a petition lmao

Blah blah blah.

I can't buy an airsoft gun shooting less than 366fps.

Man, I really miss the 'make airsoft legal / airsoft is banned' discussions. Those were fun.

'98 baby. Airsoftcanada in blue urban camo for the win!

as a default the law companies and most organizations do not mess with the rules unless challenged.
The old Laws surrounding Airsoft in Canada were Challenged and they changed them. That required Courts Lawyers and a ton of Funds organizations and support. So changes are slow, and cautiously examined. If we changed things spur of the moment or proactively with the best of intentions you'd see a lot more disruptions on stuff that hadn't been accounted or considered.

my fav was the sky is falling threads "someone on a subway in toronto got busted carrying airsoft guns, airsoft's gonna be banned forever now!"