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Why YOU should Get interested in World War II re-enacting
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I donno? Should you? Do you like realistic combat simulations using airsoft guns? Do you like accurate gear and equipment? Do you like tight knit units employing accurate tactics with effective, experienced leaders? Are you looking for something more than " weekend skirmishes" or "Ghost Recon" wanna-bes? Are you interested in HISTORY? [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps6373e12d.jpg[/IMG] Are you a little tired and maybe bored with " regular airsoft" maybe what you are looking for is a deeper experience with a lot more to it than 6 hours of "pew pew" What about an experience in which shooting is part of the whole experience, not the point of it? Maybe you have been seriously thinking about giving up on Airsoft? You know what, maybe you should! Maybe it's time to move on to a more fulfilling and immersive experience, and learn something along the way. There are British, Canadian and American units always looking for new recruits. There are also German units looking to mentor and foster your journey into a whole new realm of Battle simulation. Loaner gear and guns available, along with a open and welcoming attitude. You should try it, you just may like it and discover a whole new community you never knew existed. Do you want to know more? PM me or visit http://ontarioairsoftwwiireenactors.com/ [IMG]http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...yle/INCAMP.jpg[/IMG] |
Not sure if Brian mentioned it, but the outfits are downright bad ass too!
I'm considering getting back in, if anyone decides to put together a Russian WWII faction, it'd take some time, but I'm in. If not, I might just do it myself. Keep pushing this stuff Brian, I'm hoping to come out and see you guys at some point this season, see what I'm missing out on as a kick in the ass to get a move on it :P |
Been interested in it forever.
Can't say the same for most of the airsoft scene here though :( |
Yeah it's cool. But I already know who wins lol
We used to do WW2 games back in the day and they were always fantastic, despite the obvious lack of era kit from most people, the rules the hosts made up for more realism were fresh and made the game much more enjoyable! |
Hey Brian, can I hi-jack your thread? ;)
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Plus you get to come out to some public shows!
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We get a few airsoft WWII personnel out during show season to ride on our trucks we take them to some historical events and carshows and parades !To see pics check out nmvac.org
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We're looking to make a bit more of a WWII splash in Alberta too. Any folks that are interested can check out the Alberta Historical Airsoft and Reenactment Assoc. at: http://ahara.proboards.com
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9th SS occasionally gets to ride around in sexy vehicles to boot!
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hope this doesnt scare potential allied recruits away...
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Tiker, you forgot to add the "Schreck".
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Too bad I am too busy at work and family and cannot always attend the activities and events, which are full of fun.
Hopefully they can have more one day events which are closer to Toronto. |
After hearing Brian, and a few others, talk about the WWII community and games, it's been something I've wanted to try out for a while. I don't have much interest in playing WWII (I enjoy being a Ghost Recon wannabe), but the style of play, and the players themselves, have made it really appealing.
I don't have the money to start moving towards any sort of WWII loadout, but the prospect of loaner gear sounds appealing to try it out. Maybe sometime this summer. =D |
Airsoft World War II re-enacting has always seemed More like LARP and less like airsoft to me.
Not that theres anything wrong with that. |
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The WWII stuff is more re-enacting than LARP. |
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It certainly does have that LARP look, especially because large number of us don't come to events to rack up the kill count. We come to dig fox holes at night, do patrols for hours without any contact, live in the rain for 2-3 days and we will be ok with firing 30-40 shots during all that time. I guess it's the same thing when you do serious reenactment of any era. I've done VN before, it's very similar in nature. |
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We are trying to re create the atmosphere of a WWII military operation in the details and the activity as much as we are able. the most enjoyable and satisfying experiances I have had with an Airsoft gun in my hand have been at WWII events. Everyone there is there for the same reason, there is a harmony of purpose generally absent at most other Airsoft events. |
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Since this is re-enacting, I suppose all the games are being won by the US side ? :D
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Not as of recent ;)
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Daytona Shoei MG42 - HPA - YouTube This WWII stuff seems quite interesting. Reminds me of times I played Day of Defeat on HL1. I suspect my first AEG might have to be a WWII gun. :) Will subscribe to hear of future events. Might drop by one in the near future if they are reasonably close. |
Tikers MG42 is a Shoei, it's sexier than the video!
To anyone in the GTA looking for an event, check out Foy on March 1st at Flag Raiders: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=161943 Looser kit restrictions make it easy to come out and have a time. |
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But the dressing up, and time specific guns, and the acting and playing the role. That's LARPing with airsoft guns. Again, nothing wrong with that though. |
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Historical LARP is generally known as re-enacting in WWII reenacting- each person takes on the role of a person who could have served in WWII .. they seek to accurately portray that person, in equipment , Dress, and behaviour even language, .. this person is an alternative self in a different time and place. The Dress , equipment and deportment forms your "impression" of that person in that time and place. Your impression is the principle vehicle for achieving "immersion". Immersion is that feeling that you are "there" everything you see is "right" for the time and place. When it's done right the immersion can be quite powerful and effective in transporting you to a different time and place in which the conflict is just that much more "realistic" and important. It is from this that the real enjoyment and satisfaction comes. Yes WWII re-enactment is not for everyone, but for those that choose to follow this path is it both fulfilling, and very rewarding. Everyone who has done Milsims is also looking for that "immersion" that feeling that "this is real" it makes your heart pound a little .. colours all seem a little brighter. The fact is that this feeling happens a lot more in WWII milsims than any other I have ever participated in.. including real military training. |
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Myself personally I carry a .7L canteen and then usually store a large bottle of water in either my backpack or if it's short enough in the gas canister. Plastic bottles look so out of place in a good set up. I think as long as you can camouflage it properly do whatever you can.
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I got the Axis bug but then life reminded me that there are these things called bills and responsibilities so all airsoft has taken a back seat for me personally. Hopefully this summer I can complete my SS loadout and go kick some Allied ass!
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Brian brings a big container of water and hides it under a tarp so we can refill. |
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Everyone carries about a litre of water in a canteen. We bring a larger ( 20L) container so we can refill when necessary. right now this is a Modern container.. but I am working on a proper period solution. Water was often carried in 5, 10 and 20L aluminium jugs .. though these are getting rare to find in a condition that can be returned to service. We have an Insulated Haybox ( actual period German insulated food container) within which enough food for the squad can be carried. If possible we serve fresh rations in the field. (At OP woodsman we fed the troops fresh rations in the field .. While under fire ) If not , then each man should have enough food for a 24 hour period in their bread bag. I often carry a couple hard sausages, some hard cheese and bread, Chocolate, and of course Cigars and or tobacco and a pipe. In my Mess tin, I carry a small Espresso maker, and some coffee and Sugar. with my esbit stove I can have a hot brew up going in minutes anywhere. the ideal is to neither bring nor use ANY modern tech or equipment or provisions.. Basically no plastic. |
Just to add - Carrying period rations is not hard. For example:
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...90759983_n.jpg Or, you can buy a set from places such as: http://reprorations.com/Germany%20WW2/WW2-Germany.htm You name it, there is a reproduction label for it. I usually carry stew, sausage, cheese, perhaps some jam, bread or knackbrot (type of German hard bread) etc... It's very easy to carry everything period, especially with the amount of labels kicking around out there. |
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alright - you finally got me Brian
sign me up for the Axis, I'll start gathering my Kit |
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P.S And of course after eating that food you get send right back to the front lines because Obersturmfuhrer Kreiger doesn't like when his men relax too much :) |
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Any Idea what you want to do? Heer, FJ, or SS? |
Ugh, you guys.
I'm gonna start looking into booking time off from work and do some travelling. |
Getting Started!
here are some links to local units
German http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=152448 http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=132361 ALLIED http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=37232 |
It's not just bb's anymore either. 3 of our members, myself included, were at the Ft. Indiantown Gap Battle of the Bulge Reenactment this past weekend. This is one the biggest reenactments in North-America, with over 500 participants.
Battle of the Bulge, Fort Indiantown Gap, PA 2-1-14 - YouTube It's an awesome event, and only accessible to those who answer the call to (old) arms. Sign up Today! |
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this has got me and the other guys talking about it. I think I should at the very least give it a try before knocking it.
I like the effort it seems you guys put into your games. And the idea that the roster of players are committed players. Regular milsims can be a mixed bag of rosters going right to the end, or tossing in the towel at a certain point. 2 questions. Do you find the level of commitment at games generally higher? (than regular airsoft milsims) And do you ever do Vietnam era games or is it just WWII? |
1: by far yes. I have attended 4 regular airsoft games in 6 years of regular airsoft games vs dozens of ww2, and I always find the re-enactment "games" better in nearly every way.
2: We attend living history events with the Vietnam groups and they are great guys in every way. I would say research different units and find one that speaks to you, even if it means that unit do not exist. Our organization started as 1 guy out on the field and grew from there. No matter what unit you do you will find we all have the same mindset. Feel free to contact any of us for more information. |
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Commitment to the battle, is never a question because each faction and unit has solid and effective leadership, and the units remain cohesive start to finish. There is a whole other community of Vietnam reenactors, small but vital. |
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Not knocking on conventional airsoft but I find the overall people in WW2 airsoft to be much more genuine in character. There seems to be less drama and overall is a much better atmosphere at games instead of regular airsoft.
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Last season saw some great fights, this season will see many more |
Just to chime in, as a blank fire reenactor who also does ww2 airsoft: the strides made in realism and atmosphere have been huge. People are there for the full experience, not just trigger time, and it really shows in the overall vibe of events.
I'm in FJR 5, a unit dedicated to representing the Fallschirmjäger, or German parachute troops. Here's a link to our "unit ethos" page that sums up what we're about in more detail: https://sites.google.com/site/ontari...-is-reenacting We welcome anyone willing to work as a member of a strong team to create the most believable time travel sensation possible. It really is night and day different from regular airsoft. No one expects you to drop a pile of money on kit before you try it...just come out, we'll kit you up, and see how you like it. |
Here's some of what we do in FJR 5:
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Here are some photos from a living history event. We had the privileged to meet a WW2 Canadian Paratrooper Vet who jumped on D-Day.
As mentioned we play airsoft and blank fire events up at CFB Borden. I have been down to Odessa NY and Fort Indiantown Gap PA for blank fire events. I do both 101st AB and First Special Service Force http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...2013/Group.jpg http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...3/IMG_7145.JPG http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...3/IMG_7146.JPG http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...3/IMG_7150.JPG http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...3/IMG_7154.JPG http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...3/IMG_7180.JPG http://www.ontarioairsoftwwiireenact...3/IMG_7334.JPG |
I am getting pumped for this!!!
Brian - message inbound |
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There has been such a proliferation of WWII guns int he past few years there are several models to choose from for both Allied and AXIS forces. |
Our second annual inter provincial WWII Reenactment event is coming up in September.
lot of time to get started and get your impression together. here is a link to the Operation Woodsman site there is lots of good information on the site. |
I joined the FJR 5 last year and it has been a great experience.
Here are a few things I like about the WW2 re-enacting so far: - Real objectives (Like laying wire to connect 2 phones together, doesn't sound like much, but try it under fire) - Real obstacles (Like digging in, or building a defensive position, in the middle of the night, or in the pouring rain) - The uniforms (These guys look like authentic soldiers so you always get the immersion feeling) - Real tactics (We attempt to apply real WW2 tactics while in the field, and as an ex CAF infanteer this really appealed to me) Most important! These are a great bunch of guys! And honestly it's not that hard to find all the kit you need (when you have help), took me about 3 months to get my basic impression together, although I find it's an ongoing process and you never seem to have enough kit... If you want to attempt to have a real army/soldier experience I would suggest WW2 re-enacting over regular airsoft any day. *Did I forget to mention you get to sleep in the great outdoors! https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hpho...54303176_n.jpg |
Meiners Makes a good point..
Often in our events there are real objectives. Real as in achieving the objective has a tangible outcome in the outcome of the battle. Running wire to connect observation posts to HQ is a pretty key objective, because we don't have radios, so either you send a messenger... or you run wire, and then you have to patrol it or those pesky partisans will cut it on you! Digging in your machine guns to make them very hard to take out is also key in defensive scenarios. Building fortifications , and camouflaging them. Doing recon , then planning coordinated attacks. Kicking back, having a smoke and a laugh with your Kamerads between attacks ( and shovels of dirt ) it all makes for a distinctly different type of experience than your "regular" airsoft game |
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1. Kompanie, 145. Gren. Regt., 65. ID in Italien.. Oder ist das Russland?? Oder mag das Alberta seien? Wer kann sagen...
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You guys sure have a lot of time and money invested into this era :) It's nice to see the history involved in some airsoft groups. I was contemplating before on starting an American ww2 collection but after learning some fun history facts I'm staying away from the ww2 era due to family history on both sides of the war. So I sticking to Nam.
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I didn't have family involved in that war. The main reason for avoiding the ww2 era is that I had involved with the Germans and I personally don't want to honour what they believed in or done. I will leave it at that. As for the comment of how is the Vietnam war less controversial I'm not touching that with a 10ft pole.
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Axis or Allied
WW2 airsoft was the reason I got interested in Airsoft in the first place. However I live in Ottawa and as of yet I don't know of anyone who does WW2
around here. By the way I have a complete FJ load out and a Brit/CDN Para load out. All I need are helmets. The problem is my head is size 63 or 7 and 7/8s. If anyone see either please let me know. I think I met Tiker and Tac12. Where there and bought a PPSH? We talked outside on the street for a while. |
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/965e888d2...jc5o1_1280.jpg theres a lot more under the top layer |
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https://sites.google.com/site/operationwoodsman/home Don't miss it! Get in touch with Karsten Heidt (posted earlier in this thread somewhere) he runs 5.FJR, phenomenal lads. |
Here's some more of what we do, photo galleries from recent events:
https://sites.google.com/site/ontariofjr5/photo-gallery I do encourage anyone with an interest in history and a more immersive experience on the field to give our thing a try. We have a variety of units to choose from and welcome newcomers with open arms and loaner kit. |
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Jomor, watch for regular WWII events at FTF in Prince Edward County. near Belleville starting this season. |
Spencerville
Thanks guys! I will get in touch and check out the Spencerville game! Find me helmets please!!!
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Jomor, I'm planning a WW2 intro game to be to held at Red Devils sometime this spring, Keep an eye on the OVA events section.
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Do any of the units in the London area have any dates set up to play in this area? If so I'd like to come check it out.
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http://ontarioairsoftwwiireenactors....pic.php?t=2220
We do many events in the area west of Toronto. This is the next one. |
I joined this group back in Aug when i first got into airsoft, im telling you boys it the best decision i made last year. its a great community and a chance to share or learn some history, but dont listen to me find out for yourself. There is a Level 2 game on March 1st in which all the details can be found on website Brian provided. If you cant make that come out to TAC 14 on March 15th and check out our displays, allied and axis ..... we will have uniforms,weaopons and gear to show.
Also as they have stated there are many units to choose from allied and axis.... but if WWII regular U.S infantry is your style check out the 1st Infantry Division Ontario Living History Group, dedicated to honoring the men of the "Big Red One" in WWII http://1stdivisionontariolivinghistorygroup.webs.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/1st-I...19967654688488 Like i said which ever group you choose you cant go wrong all are here to share the same passion ! |
You should play WW2 if you can't play 'nam.
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Id like to weigh in here.
being into both fitness and ww2 history re-enactment worked out perfectly for me. are we running and gunning the whole time. no way. are we reliving what it was like for guys on both sides in the greatest conflict in human history....yes. are we always rotating new guys thru who don't care. no way, are we building solid friendships yes. Do we have command structure with the knowledge and commitment to build solid foundations... defiantly. do we burn some serious calories....you better believe it. (as a side note...I ran tough mudder at 46 and this leaves me pooped at end of day) here is some of what we experience...... midnight sentry duty in forest. dead quiet except for wind rustling leaves. knowing 1000% that there be no way the allies could creep to this position with out being heard 100 yards away but telling your buddy you heard them at 10 feet outside the trench. THAT IS A TOTAL MIND F--K |
Lots of talk in various threads on this forum about the nature of "MILSIM"
I got into airsoft to do Military Simulation. I've participated in dozens of "milsims" and I have hosted, developed and run dozens more. But I never did a "real" milsim till I got involved in WWII re-enactment. For me everything else ( and I still do lots of Modern style Milsim) just does not measure up to the immersion and the feelings of reality that are the hallmarks of WWII events. |
and another reason, one word TANKS
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what is a typical day of successful wwII milsim? what kind of action do you encounter, in what order, how are the radio comms, is it serious-serious or serious-jokingly, etc :) |
As in everything, it depends on the group you're with. I've seen some other ww2 airsoft organizations and frankly they're garbage: piles of ugly postwar kit, ponytails sticking out of helmets, basically just a costumed piss-take. The Ontario crew has much higher standards of realism, in both equipment and behaviors. We do training events several times a year to learn period tactics and practices from period manuals. Some of us have passable German which we use to communicate when in action. Many of the most memorable moments at our events involve no shooting at all; making rations in a hole with a little hexamine cooker; digging in in the middle of the night where every shadow and echo in the woods is filled with menace; doing a formation and receiving a promotion document filled out in Sutterlinschrift and a Gefreiter's insignia. Honestly I enjoy the shooting bit the least, these days.
If you want typical Black Hawk Down Hooah highspeed escapist stuff, we're not for you. If you want a sensation of time travel, give us a go. |
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the German forces don't have Radio communications ( certainly they did in period but battlefield radios were in their infancy and frankly messengers were more reliable) We do have hard wired field phones that we use whenever practical. For example at WOODSMAN last year the Company headquarters was connected to the forward lines by field phone, these communications were key to deploying reinforcements. But of course yu have to patrol the lines or the partisans will cut them! One significant difference to most airsoft games is that there are no breaks , no hanging out in the safe zone. no stopping for "hotdogs" Once we hit the field we are "in the battle" until the event is over , be that 4 or 48 hours. We may have rear areas that will not have any shooting going on but we are still "in the battle" We eat sleep, drink and smoke in the battle. Last year at WOODSMAN we fed our forces hot rations on the field while enaged with the enemy.. literally relieving gunners so they could crawl back to the command trench and get their food.. we were serving it while "bullets" flew over our heads. Here is the combat action report from our last event, our annual "battle of Foy" event held at FR- it si pretty much what happened during the day from the point of view of myself as Commanding officer of the German Kampfgruppe Combat action Report: Advance on Foy. Elements of 1./SS-Pz.Gren. Rgt 20 and 5./Fallschirm-Jäger Regiment 5 Occupied the Village of Foy We were tasked to establish the Forward line of battle and commence a push through Foy. Enemy Attacks started with snipers in the church picking off WAFFEN-SS and Fallschirmjäger forces occupying parts of Foy. As Commander of the Kampfgruppe I was hard pressed to keep my lines intact under constant harrying fire. It was not until we pulled 2 MGs off the line and redeployed so that we could bring the Church under heavy fire that the fire subsided, we drove the enemy forces from the Church. At this time we received word that the Company Signals group were unable to connect our position to the battalion communications network due to a shortage of wire, we would be forced to use messengers to the company HQ. Shortly after we received this news, we received scout reports that a small contingent of Enemy forces had taken up positions in a bunker located on the outskirts of Foy. Clearly this force was put in place as a Rearguard to delay our advance through Foy, and enable the enemy to occupy new defensive positions, further hindering the advance. I awaited orders from the Kompany, and decided that in the interim it was a good time for fresh rations to be brought up. 3 men were sent back to the rear area to bring up the rations, we all enjoyed fresh bread, and warm Cabbage and pork stew, and coffee. This greatly boosted morale. A small ration of Jagermeister was distributed as defense against the cold. Shortly after I received our orders. We were to advance on the fortified position occupied by the enemy and drive them from it, seizing prisoners if possible. I deployed the Kampfgruppe composed of a contingent of Fallschirmjäger and my own Waffen-SS troops along with some attached Heer stranglers we had picked up along the advance. We were well provisioned with both Machine guns and ammunition, having 4 MGs I established fire groups on each flank of observation post positions in front of the main bunker, the plan was to take the observation posts, consolidate my forces and then assault the main bunker in force. I launched the attack, the observation post came under withering fire, and the FJ troops advanced to the structure, the troops inside either were killed or abandoned the position as soon it was in our hands. I moved the MGs up and began to bring the main bunker under fire, the return fire diminished and I signaled the assault. As we advanced we came under fire from supporting positions to the right of the bunker, several men were wounded and some killed, but soon we found ourselves at the bunker. Myself and a young Schutze climbed the external stairway to search the upper level of the bunker, there we found the Enemy Commander, we caught him reloading and were able to take him prisoner. As we came down we captured another enemy soldier. by now we had either driven off or killed all the enemy. I sent a messenger back to Kompany HQ regarding the prisoners, We consolidated our position and prepared to Continue the advance. For the remainder of the day we pursued the retreating enemy forces, putting in attack after attack, The enemy were very tenacious and caused our forces many casualties despite our clear advantage in numbers. Eventually I was forced to halt the advance and request we be relived in line as we had taken too many casualties to continue to advance. We received orders to hold in position while additional forces were brought up to continue the advance. In all the day was a clear lesson in the advantages of defending inside a town over the forces advancing to take the town. We outnumbered the defenders easily 2 to 1 but time and time again our attacks were blunted and at times even halted despite the superiority we had in both men and weapons. In my assessment the stories we have heard that the Americans don't have the stomach for tough fights is simply not true. They gave us a lot of trouble, and made us pay for every meter we took. |
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Bumping this up.. and reminding, Operation Woodsman is just around the corner, and there is still time to get involved and gather your kit.
If you are looking for the most fulfilling airsoft experience possible , Join us! |
100% interested in it(Mainly being German side :D ), the problem being there is nothing in a reasonable radius from where I live(In term of at least 1:1 ratio of driving/playing).
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OP Woodsman in September.
Aprox 3 hour drive, 3 days of re-enacting. Worth it! Us London folk drive about ~4-5 hours, if not more depending on traffic/road conditions. |
How is everything going with the group?
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Brilliantly. We add new members all the time, more events, just got access to a field where we can do unlimited digging, laying commo wire, fight around the clock, etc.
There are lots of well organized units available to choose from, with plenty of knowledgeable people to help you get set up with the correct kit, so now is a great time to join. |
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