how many airsoft guns dont have a real steel counterpart
 

yes i would read that some airsoft guns dont have a real steel so i would like to now witch ones do.

Err...what?

Could you possibly re-phrase that?

Basically all your custom models.
Redwolf Airsoft has a bunch of in-house custom models that they construct and sell uniquely. And then there are all your Airsoft weapons based on other weapons that are not based on real steel weapons, such as the Aliens Pulse Rifle conversion kit, and other guns esoteric to hollywood invention.

i would say vsr10 if i was gonna answer to the title but what r u asking?

Is the Glock 26 Advanced real, or just off that anime thing?

Its an anime thing, from Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex (awesome anime, btw ;) ).

Another gun that doesn't really exist is the HFC Darkhawk. Its an odd mix between the S&W Sigma and a Glock.

The VSR is just another name for the Remmington Model 700. Only gun I can think of right now is the WA Prokiller, but it's basically an SVI doublestack anyways...

AK47 Beita. Glock 23F (no FA in real steel 23)

Correction, the AK Spetz (Beita) exists. Heck, Bin Laden is usually shown with one.

As said, Hollywood guns and some truly esoteric mixes dont have an exact 'real' match.
Then again, the custom real gun world has lots of very strange models.

As for the wording of the question... can you please revise your grammar?

Oh, guys, let's be careful not to turn this into the reverse thread of What Real Gun Would You Like to See as an Airsoft...

TM Hk G3 SAS, AK β-spetsnaz, VSR series, Tactical launcher, G26A,
92F Samurai Edge series, 92F Tactical Master, Combat Delta (EBB).
KSC Auto 9, SIG PRO SP2009 GSG9. WA Pro-killer series. TANAKA Umbrella Magnum.
New MGC Keeper custom. All tha Poseidon`s airsoft kit, Airsoft club M41A Pulse rifle.
etc..etc..

hmm...Im confusin now......is this pointless?

Correction, Bin Laden has an AKS-74U, not a Spetznaz. The AK Spetz doenst exist in real steel (unless it was too - custom made)

Cheers,
Alex

SiG Pro SP 2009 is a real steel.

G3 SAS was made. It's insane, but it was made.
VSR is a copy of a real gun.
Tactical launchers exist.
Custom versions of the 92F exist.
Colt Delta is a production item.
Auto 9mm do exist (the 93r as an example, same for the Glock and Steyr, and the VP70).
WA are copies of custom .45 handguns.
The Tanakas are (mostly) copies of the Smith&Wesson, Colt and Ruger handguns.

And I was so sure about seeing the Spetz someplace... oh well. Like I said, this is going to turn into the same thread as What Do You Want To See.

Ancorp is right, the AK Spets (fullstock like that) is BS.

The TM Tactical Master is basically a Beretta 92G Elite with made up markings.

The TM MP5 RAS is also made up (albeit "makeable")

A lot of the 1911 variants are based on custom jobs, and race guns.

In that respect the TM HK MC51 was also a custom job (H&K do not make HK51s, they're aftermarket conversions or clones [fleming, vollmer]).

All the CA870 shotguns are "wrong" in that 870s aren't magazine fed.

yeah sry for my grammer i'll rephase.
"i was wundering what airsoft guns do not have real steel counterparts"
sry again.
the reason why i am asking cause i have seen that this airsoft gun doesn't have a real steel so i just want to now.

SIG PRO SP2009 is exist, Im talkin about SIG PRO SP2009 "GSG9 30th Anniversary model". It is KSC original custom.

If Auto 9 do exist, M41A Pulse rifle could be exist.
I think most airsoft are possibly exist in real steel. What is tha border line of custom model and non-exist model?
Im pretty sure tha Degicon STRAIGHT CUSTOM MOD.D-7 is airsoft original model.

(sorry for bad Eng)

sry i guess i should narrow it down. yes groombug i meant production should have said that in the first.

The G3 SAS is a real-steel impossibility. The charging handle's travel isn't long enough to chamber a 7.62x51mm round from the magazine so there's no possible way it could ever fire. Even if it could, the chamber would take up half the barrel length so you would effectively have a 2" barrelled .308 SMG. Talk about lousy terminal ballistics.

Technically the FAMAS SV doesn't exist anymore. As it's sold by TM with the FAMAS-specific mags, it's a copy of the FAMAS G1 which originally used the proprietary 25-round mag. GIAT modified the rifle shortly after production to accept STANAG mags and accessories and it became the G2, and the G1 was phased out. I think TM kept the FAMAS mags so that M16 owners would still need to buy more mags should they pick up a FAMAS.

Full stock shorty AKs exist as custom jobs, although the handguard on the Beta-Spetz is another TM aberration. I've never seen them shorter than the AKSU length on factory weapons.

That's what I've noticed while looking at one last week. I think Crash had it. Cocking tube is really short, way too short for a real gun.

Never said the G3 SAS made sense, but it's been made.
Ballistics and accuracy? Heh... none.

6 foot long muzzle flash? Yep.

Muzzle blast? Extreme.

Worth doing? No, unless you are trying to figure out if it can be done, and you have tons of cash and engineering skills.

I guess that would make for a nice light show in the dark !

No, it is impossible.

http://www.mts.net/~molly160/g3sas.jpg

In order to chamber a round, charging handle A must have a stroke greater than the length of the cartridge B. Otherwise the bolt will not get behind the cartridge head to strip it from the magazine and push it into the chamber. If A is shorter than B, there is no way cartridges will even be fed from the magazine; the bolt will stop 3/4 of the way once the charging handle bottoms out.

A and B shown on the left for reference are exact copy-and-pastes from the ones next to the gun.

Is it not possible to have a series of gears inside to make the charging handle actually go back further?

Whats the point, those series of gears will take up room too (infact why not use a lever? heh, that will take even more room probably), might as well just extend the gun abit and make a full lenght charging handle.

Cheers,
Alex

I've considered that, and it's about the only way it would actually work. However because HK rifles are roller-locked delayed blowback they tend to have ungodly powerful return springs that need to be compressed on cocking. I doubt you'd have any room for a gear set in a real G3 this size let alone one good enough to easily compress the spring.

Besides which, even if it could you've spent all that time and money engineering something that is less effective than any good submachine gun of the same size or smaller.

Plus there'd be absolutely no point. The G3SAS is (if it was proportially correct) an HK51 with an endcap butt and a RIS rail. You wouldn't want it as short as Marui's, look at where the magazine is, and figure the size of the chambered round; that'd be like a snubnosed 7.62x51. Power would suck and accuracy would suck more, and the hair on the back of your nonfiring hand would be singed.

ok we have provein that the SAS will and never come to be in real life any other guns.

But you do have to admit the G3 SAS looks really cool regardless.

Yeah it does. I looked into converting an MC51 into something like it, using a Nitro.VO rail kit on the top and front. I think it would have been similar looking (while being a big bigger obviously), but I don't need a third shorty AEG (I'm already trying to sell one of the two off heh).

I also do seem to recall seeing a real steel G3 SAS picture floating around online somewhere. Whether it was photoshopped or not, I don't know, but I'm betting it's where the real steel G3 SAS thingy started.

wait the G3-MC51 isn't real is it???.

I posted that in my first reply.

The MC51 (TM misnomer for HK51, AFAIK) isn't a H&K production gun; but realsteel versions DO exist, produced as aftermarket conversion kits or clones (Fleming Firearms, FJ Vollmer). The shortest variant, the HK51K produced by Fleming, bears the closest resemblence to the TM G3SAS, using an MP5K style front.

Here's a link from the forums of HKpro.com .

http://hkpro.websolv.com/ubbthreads/...b=5&o=&fpart=1

The gun shown is almost like a G3SAS
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...l/cea471ff.jpg

actually the ak spetznaz dose exist in real life,i have seen them before look on some assualt rifle fourms and you would know.

No it doesn't. If you're so sure, show us a picture.

:shock:I don't think the glock 26c exists

its just a 74U frontend with the rear of a 47... all painted black... easily customized. if we're gonna go in details like this, it doesn't exist... but pratically, it does exist.

HFC Darkhawk is fake.

Hah! Ain't nobody going to argue with THAT one.

No, it doesn't.

If you can show me a real, production AK foreend that is that short, I will buy you a bag of BBs. Given that the AKS74U foreend is significantly longer I anticipate I won't have to.

See for yourself:

http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data/30...KS-74U-med.jpg

http://juoksuhauta.net/images/akb_01.jpg

It is solely a gross TM abberation, nothing more.

There was a long ass thread about AK47B on one of airsoft boards. Can't remember which one. Finally, people came to a conclusion that there is no R/S version of AKB. There are a lot of similar looking Krinkov mods but nothing with the foregrip as short as TM AK47B has.