Just a short, personal video on Systema 3rd Gen PTWs
 

Hi everyone,
not only I'm rather new here, but also, I am (unfortunately) very far from Canada. Italy here :lol:
I was kindly suggested I'd post this video I made about the new, 3rd Generation Systema PTWs. It's those Airsoft rifles that have milspecs and cost a lot :lol:

Since the previous generations were a bit criticised because of their issues (they did have some issues indeed) I thought I made a lil video to show the new ones. These have no issues anymore 'xcept the price :wink:

Video has been sent to Systema after the making, and kindly hosted there (zshot, Systema USA) temporarily. Video was made for informative fun.

Enjoy :grin:

http://www.zshot.com/videos/

That looks absolutley beautiful. To bad they cost so damn much

thats pretty good. i have on question i am bad at conversation could you show what each of the internal setups would be in FPS.

Well first off thanks for checking it guys.
Secondly, beacer, with pleasure (hope my English was understandable enough? US born Italy grown here ;) ).

So you have:

- M90 setup (cylinder): 90 m/s that should be around 280 FPS (<= 1 joule)
- M110, 110 m/s equals 350 FPS circa (> 1 joule, around 1.5)
- M130, 130 m/s equals 430 FPS circa (> 1 joule, around 1.7)

All measurements are done with .20 BBs

that helps alot. and i understood what u said.

Thats Kick ass..thanks for sharing

Impressed by your positive attidue folks.
Thanks handed out to you all.

1st, your english is very good. Much better than mine.

second, now I want that systema M4.

yah, its slick

no where the hell did u buy it from. all i can find to buy is the M16 A3.

seeing that hes from Rome, Italy, I'm guessing he has a lot of more options.

Edit: and ain't they law enforcement/military only?

Again so nice of you all. I also appreciated the comment about my spoken English. That's another great passion I have, English is my most favourite language above all (well French is lovely too, my Quebec amis).

Now back to PTWs. First, newer pics with TangoDown's battlegrips (3rd Gen PTWs are HEAVY. A lot heavier than previous versions):


http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/807/tango16qq.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4531/tango24ql.jpg

Where did I get mine. I went direct from Systema. But the reason may be surprising to you: I thought the Italian line of distribution/customer service sucked (and it's not Systema's: it's the retailers, distributor, ... ).
They never know nothing, no news, no updates and if you're looking to get somehting new you'll have to wait for months. I don't think Canadians are so inefficient. But this is old news.
Have you tried buzzing zshot.com? Do NOT settle with 1st or 2nd Gen rifles (that some retailers still have in stock), get only 3rd gen.
US Airsplat had some new 3rd gen. Heard news that in these very months Systema would sell to LE/Military only (me, ex military, but I don't think I was sold these for that), especially in the US (wouldnt know about Canada).

Keep asking if you want, I'll keep answering the best I can ;-)

Wow, a very good video indeed.

Very good video..
thanks for sharing :tup:

Very nice video.

I checked the zshot website but their product catalogue is down at the moment. Can somebody tell me how much these rifles cost?

airsplat advertised them for 1200US, UN company 1000US. Not sure what revision.

Looking forward to the next video installment Solo. I'd be interested to know of its consistency and such with its unique delivery.

Thanks all for watching it.
I have investigated a bit, and it seems there may be a few issues with the US market, not sure about the Canadian one. Systema has put on hold the sale of the "toy" version of this rifle in the US market for good reasons.
For now, in the US, only LE/Army personnel will be able to get one.
I am not sure for how long this will be. I hope not too long.

Since we're in Canada here ;) I hope it's going to be different for Canada.

Second part is harder to make with the quality standards Ive now raised up to.
Has to be more live but still show precise shooting and stuff.

Dont hold your breath for now, itll take some time but eventually itll be there.

Ciao!


;)

I'd opt to get one, if a supplier could get a 3rd generation of the M4A1 and the cylinder upgrades.

Having one of the PTWS is much more pleasing than my current collection. =)

Are you the same Solo thats on MP.net?

nice AEGs BTW

Yes Sir, that would be me.
Thanks ;)

Wow, that video was great.
Oh, and I will be posting a kidney in the classifieds soon if anyone's interested.

id sell my mother her self for one of those guns.

group order!

rofl

REMEMBER you can try and order direct ;)

Slick Rifles... the price however is rediculous, a real Armalite costs less!

yah and if something goes horribly wrong with the gun you will have to ship the gun to your supplier for them to ship it to systema for fixing -_-

That's true obviously, but you wont be able to shoot you friends down with a real armalite? Not twice at least. These are in a way more sophisticated, as they try and replicate real armalites features with electronics inside (one could consider PTWs as electronic rifles, not just electric).

Yup, something goes horribly wrong you either send it back to them or decide to replace the whole broken part yourself. Which isn't impossible by the way, since PTWs carry the same philosophy of interchangeable parts as real ARs do.
But tey sure cost a lot of money, this is out of question.

;)

Oh, I'm not arguing their impressive design. In fact, I think even Tokyo Marui could learn a few things from these rifles. I'm just trying to keep things in perspective here.

The bottom line is... it's an Airsoft gun. The basic components are the same as any AEG, so the manufacturing cost is roughly the same as anyother full metal rifle. The $$$ being asked are 50% 'wow factor'.... thats $1500 in 'WOW'. Kinda steep.

Lynch mate,
nope ;)
This is entirely a totally new design, different parts from usual airsoft design, both internally and externally.
It's priced high because of the high costs of R&D Systema had to sustain and the high quality they strive to get in every single one of them.

Previous versions have failed IMHO, but this one's different (3rd).
Just to say, I agree it's a very high cost, but it is justified by the total diversity of this rifle and what it can deliver. Not the same size as Maruis, different materials, totally different internals (there is not a single compatible component).

I hope Systema can meet its break even soon with them, thus lowering the final price.

;)

oh man if they can lower that price on each unit.. hooorah!.. no more of the current Armalites. although.. if they do that they defeat the purpose of their new complete mechbox line. and therefore will have to cease production of upgrade parts.

Which, correctly, might have been in their plans.
The Mechabox project is not necessarily going to last for ever. It might be a few batches of x thousands units, ...

All hypothetical for now ;)

so when is part 2 comin out.

WOW thanks for the info and the very impressive video. I look forward to seeing the rest of the series on these nice guns. Perhaps like you suggest when these become more mainstream their prices will be more affordable to the average airsoft grunt.

Again (will never get tired of saying it) THANKS my Canadian friends.
By the way, I keep hearing about the beauty of Canada. A close friends has just returned from a trip over there with his wife and I am about seeing THAT video ;)

Now, back to PTWs: second part is due in a while, since I wouldnt like to disappoint you with crappy useless stuff.
Today Ive used again them rifles at the sundays skirmish and I did change the cylinder, right in the middle of a fight (and I was under fire!). I needed more range and I put in the M130. Lotsa kills today for me, been a good one :tup:

Hi Solo, I have couple questions regarding PTW.

How do you distinguish between Gen1/2 and Gen3?

I have heard that PTW weapon series have muzzle velocity of 120m/s with 0.20g BBs(74m/s previously), but maximum range of 40 meters. Is the above specification correct? Can you find such information inside the user manual?

Is there anyway to ensure that your purchased product is a Gen3 PTW?

Many thanks for your assistance in advance.

Hi trade,
legit questions.

From the official US Systema site, www.zshot.com:

The above information about initial muzzle speed and max. range is partially correct.
The initial muzzle speed will depend on what cylinder you installed internally. Depending on whether you put in an M90 (90 m/s), M110 or M130, you will get muzzle velocities accordingly. Same will go for range.

The best way to make sure you are about purchasing a new 3rd gen, is by formally, clearly asking you want a 3rd generation, and request that the seller makes sure he is selling you a 3rd generation. If he is not sure, direct him to the above few guidances and he will be able to determine that.

If he/they is still unable to determine that, drop that seller and look for another one ;)

Do not hesitate to ask for more.
Why I am offering myself to help for nothing? Because I have worked hard for myself on these over time, and it is a pleasure to see others find about these PTWs which I like very much.

Many many thanks for your speedy response!!!

Oh, Pleasure mate
:tup: