best red dot for indoor/outdoor
 

Any good red-dot scopes for less than 100 that work indoor and out in full daylight? I found all my red-dots get washed in the sun.

thanks in advance.

Red dots are terrible for target acquisition. Good for target shooting when you are standing still.

Anything less then 100 is relatively cheap for a sight that you want to not be washed out. Hurricane holographics, or a nice used 511-512 holosight (mind they will be 300) will work.

Regardless any red dot id advise against since you have to be perfectly centered behind the sight to be aiming correctly due to parallax.

I had a red dot and found it utterly useless. I went back to good ol' iron sights. Airsoft isn't accurate enough from my limited experience to worry about optics other then the "Check out my cool shit" factor. Again, YMMV from mine.

Get a decent red dot. Cheap real steel ones work fine outdoors, and don't get washed out by the sun or suffer from parallax issues.

+1 Pesto.

Check out Primary Arms. They make good Red dots. They're great, especially if your gun shoots a little off. Being able to align your red dot sight to where the BB goes is pretty great. I love my Red dot.

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You don't really need them, but they are pretty fun to use.

Parimary Arms +1
They are made for RS, so, they can stand recoil from gbbr easily
pretty popular in the states,good cheap option.

Be aware most GBB pistols don't have the power to move the extra weight on the slide.

Real steel no parallax you can have your head anywhere and the dot moves with your eye stays on target. Vortex is the only brand I use in Airsoft. They're dots are not as good as Aimpoint however their glass is better in my opinion, their price is half and they have a no fault lifetime warrenty (yes bb shots and truck runovers).

I have 3 different china made reflex sights. all work great in the sunlight. Also all of them work for target acquisition cause I know how to set the sight up and how to tune a gun so it's useful.

That being said, a reticle with a circle is going to be more useful than a dot. Airsoft, even well tuned will shoot a cone, to a certain extent so do real steel but you're talking about groupings in fractions of an in vs inches at airsoft ranges.

With a big circle that's properly zeroed on a sight that's both eyes open, you can just put the circle on target and your bbs will more than often land there... if you've zeroed it properly. The way I've done it is that at max effective range for my gun, where they start dropping out of the circle is balanced with the widest point of spread that my shots will make. That way anything closer than that I know will land in the circle reliably.

Beyond that if the guy doesn't fit in the circle I know my rounds will fall short and I need to start holding over, and I know immediately my rounds may be off line from the circle, so those shots are carried on the wings of little fairies and pixies.

Get something with a tube, not an open "reflex" style. The open style are fragile and tend to get washed out quickly.

Just about any Aimpoint clone will work well. ML2, M4, micro, they all work well. Vortex is great on the higher side of low-end, or Halosun on the lower side of high-end so to speak.

Avoid any Eotech.

-Grant

I tried to order from Primary Arms before and they wouldn't ship to me cause I'm Canadian. So I tried shipping to a US address and I would go pick it up but they canceled my order cause I used a Canadian Visa. :(

It's called ITAR. They CAN'T sell to you regardless of shipping address. There is a Canadian dealer for Holosun.

-Grant

Forget the clone and get an Aimpoint PRO. Sure it costs much as a high end AEG (~$500 after tax and shipping) but honestly, I spent more on crappy clone optics then the cost of the PRO just trying to find a decent one that didn't have major issues.

3 year always on battery life, NV capable if you choose to go that route down the road, absolutely bomb proof optic that comes with a mount included, and one that will retain resale value should you ever decide to part with it later. Could not recommend it any more highly, with bonus points if you're using it on a GBB or have opportunity to use it on real steel as well.

I had bought a second hand aimpoint pro on ASC, for $300. Bought a kill flash and cover for it, afterwards.

That things was FREAKING heavy! If I did it again I would of jut opt in for a T1, but why bother when holosun has their RDS.

does anyone know if there's any primary arms dealer in the country?

No, you need a special import license or a special way.

1/1 Stealth before brought it in as a one time thing.

You can buy it from Amazon.com, ship to po office in buffalo, pick it up.

Holosun.

It's been mentioned here a number of times. Does the exact same thing, has a 50,000/5.7 year battery life, is night vision compatible, lower profile, and super light. It also accepts GunsModify T-1 lens protectors.

Just buy one and stahp.

Your only other option is IRunGuns.ca, however their site is down currently for maintenance and has been wince last week when I last popped onto their website to schmooze. You will pay about the price of a Holosun, if not more after ITAR exemption, shipping costs, any taxes and duties applicable, and not to mention the current atrocious exchange rates from USD to CAD.

If you want to go through all that trouble, go ahead, but honestly, just buy the Holosun and forget about it. It's the same sight, just a different power housing design.

Edit: According to a team mate CTCSupplies.ca will also import them on a case by case basis. Unconfirmed, but worth a try if you are set on it.

Zack, given i also bought a Lucid HD7 and his flash killer from irunguns.com because this is only best cost-effective real steel red dot i think that will fit best on my ICS L85 and still look correctly for a British setup.

Airsoft will be back in action in few weeks, it was the right time for us to buy more stuff including quality red dots.

By the way, Lucid HD7 cost about a Vortex Sparc II but with raping taxes if you happen to not live outside of Ontario. I bought it with intent to ship into Quebec at my father's house or his place of work.

I hear from Reddit/r/Airsoft they do sure have some players using real Eotechs like 512s, so this is a thing to keep in mind when you future-proof your purchase if you ever decide to buy a GBBR or Daytona gun.

About for Holosun, the shape and the manufacturer are same for Primary Arms version. Just exported to Canada for you can buy them in peace. Beside looking simple, it sure do have great features for best cost.

Not sure why people are saying red dots suck, or that using iron sights is better.

We're not even talking real steel here, but most airsoft red dots are pretty good. Even crappy ones. They get the job done.

Just make sure to get a parallax free one and you're good to go.

The advantage of red dot is of course quick acquisition and no need for lining up the iron sights with a good cheek weld using a rifle or proper form when holding a pistol. With a red dot, where the dot is, is where the shot will go. Doesn't matter that you're not looking straight on. Its basically way way better than iron sights.

Some common complaints with red dots are that:
* The large dot will obscure a large MOA of the target (one of the reasons EOTech reticules have a tiny dot for a small MOA, with a larger ring around it to help draw your eye to the point of aim, without searching for that tiny dot).
* Knockoff (and even some really really crappy real steel) red dots are difficult to see in bright sunlight.
* Knockoff (and again, crappy real steel) red dots cannot be turned low enough at night, that they do not practically obscure everything in the FOV of the optic, by shining its bright light into your darkness-adjusted eye.
* When the batteries die, or the optic is damaged, then the optic is useless.
* They add a fair bit of weight and additional potential snag points to the rifle.

With the way I handle my firearm, a good optic adds way more value than it takes away with these (potential) draw backs. I can understand the appeal of sticking with irons, and I do just run irons from time to time. But a good optic is generally an asset.

Aimpoint M2 with a Wilcox MK18

EOTech 512. Check mine out. a65 reticle. Airsoft MP5+A4 stock about $100. Sight, about $500. lol

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Yeah that's about what I was thinking when I held a RS SpectreDR in my hand once... they wanted almost $3k for it :o

Seriously, I have the Holosun on one gun and don't regret that at all, it's great.

ACOG is a great sight too.

I love these eotechs; holographic reflex is awesome for picking up moving targets WHILE you're moving, you don't get any parallax unless you have a cheap optic. I also have a Burris FastFire 3, and it has some parallax but gives you a white line to help centre your eye. I won't buy any sights that can't take recoil, and this is why these sights are all much more than $100. Dual purpose, though.

Next purchase... http://www.tacticalimports.ca/gsci-c...ght-p-260.html (640x480 + all bells and whistles)
http://www.tacticalimports.ca/images/cts.jpg

Listen to Zack...

Holosun is a great red dot, i have the one with solar panel and work great even without battery


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?? irunguns.ca is up and has been up all week. I never knew it was down, but I did have to create a new account when I placed my most recent order with them. Paid and they shipped via canpar on the same day. Awaiting delivery.

It's now up for me as well. Was last week when I checked and wasn't yesterday when I popped in. Must have just been checking at the wrong times. No matter, IRunGuns.ca is a solid source for anything ITAR.

the Holosun paralow (micro T1 style) is my best airsoft buy since my G&P autobot, i F***** love it. i have play cqb last w-e and i can say that my target accisition was way faster and better, witch leads to more kills. :)

and i have found an oversea retailler that sells them for 144$ us plus 10 or 11$ for shipping. i cannot tell you the name of this site here but i can say that if you use google and you imput airsoft and club you should find it... lol

That's a great DEAL cause the retail price is $169

And the feature auto ON/OFF is amazing, and solar panel is a sweet bonus but the price come with it

I bought a Holosun as my Christmas present to myself. Haven't game it yet but from all aspects I can see it is a quality sight.

Those are good points, and you're right just like everything, there are good and bad to everything. But for the most parts, a good scope outweighs irons. Irons should really be left as a backup, which is how most people have it set up.

For rifles like the carbine, the ideal setup is to have a scope and then flip up backup irons to take its place if the battery runs out or if it malfunctions or gets damaged. With say the magpul ones, they spring load, so its as easy as pressing a button and you're good to go.

With hand guns, say on a glock, you can use the trijicon RMRs. Same thing. If batteries run out or it gets damaged, then you simply go to the existing iron sights on the glock.

In this modern age, the red dot type scopes (or holoscopes) are really the only way to go because its so much easier to acquire targets. Even targets at a range, I don't buy the large MOA dot argument as the reason to stick with irons. With irons, your field of view is way worse because you essentially the irons block off a lot of the view and they themselves are actually quite big, equivalent to a big dot in terms of covering the target.

I like EOtechs too over the aimpoints and t1 style scopes. Mainly for the look and the signature dot and circle reticule.

In the RS world, it is also better I think because its much more rugged. And even if the screen is shattered partially, it will still work in theory because its a hologram so the center stays true. You can't say that about a standard red dot that got shattered. The holoscope is basically like the ideal dot scope in the RS world (you can also get single dot reticule variants on EOtechs).

HS403A v.s. HS403C v.s. HS403G
differences? which one to buy?

seeing HS403C has the solar panel

You've clearly never run or spoken to anyone who runs an Eotech in the real world. Short story they are unreliable fragile crap compared to an Aimpoint.
They have limited water resistance, poor battery life and many durability problems.

You take an RS Aimpoint, turn it on and drop it into a bucket of water. Come back a year later and it's still working fine. I've seen EOtech 552s fail from light spray (10m waterproof my ass).

Sure they look cool, but don't kid yourself with regards to the Eotech as a fighting optic.

-Grant

Good point. Because nobody runs an EOtech in the real world. *rolls eyes*

Clearly this talk about what is best is a discussion doomed to fail from the get go. You use what you prefer and what works for you. I think you will find people who like the EOtech and those that don't and prefer the aimpoint. How do you change a person's opinion on something when they've already made up their mind? You don't.

You seem to cherish the long battery life. Perhaps there is also a difference between guys who don't want to change their battery in their personal carbine they use on the range, versus the guys that are dropped off stealth helicopters and only need to have the optic work for a couple of hours for one specific op. EOtech claims that even their smaller units, the XPS3 can run 600 Hrs continuous. I think thats more than enough for one OP. In case it runs out those, you have that spare battery in your stock compartment.

I believe the reason why a lot of of LEO/Mil use EOtechs over Aimpoint are due to cost and thus, ease of replacement. And for some, its the awesome reticule. However, from a durability standpoint, its an industry accepted fact that Aimpoints are epitome of durability while EOtechs have been known to suffer from bad QC (roll your dice). While some EOTechs are built like tanks, there are enough out there that have failed on the range that EOtech has built a reputation of be a lower standard of quality. Aimpoint has not. Do a quick Google search on Aimpoint vs EOTech durability and you'll see whole bunch of posts that agree with that.