Airsoft Brawl
 

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=f3a_1423493259

I'm sure many of you have seen this video by now. This is definately one of the worst incidents I have seen and/or heard of, or even witnessed. This video was seriously dissapointing, and I hope everyone can take something away from it.

Airsoft is a game of competition, realism, and honor, but too often sparks anger and frustration. People not calling their hits, getting sprayed by too many rounds, teams/players blatantly cheating, games falling apart, campers, players shooting into your spawn point, giving your all only to get your ass kicked, etc, etc, and more etc. All of these things are aggravating and unfortunately all too common in airsoft. When we go out and play, we accept that these inevitabilities will happen, and will create more obstacles than necessary sometimes to enjoy our day of shooting. But none of that matters, it just happens, and a smart airsofter will push on and make it fun. Anyone who gets shot can be reshot, anyone who is cheating can be reported, and any game that falls apart can be fixed.

My point is that no matter what goes wrong, these behaviours are unacceptable. Fighting, screaming, threatening, etc, has very literally NO PLACE, on the field. If you can't control yourself or your temper, if idiots set you off easily, or if you resort to any of theee behaviours, YOU do not belong out there. Go play checkers by yourself if you're an emotional wreck. Congratulations, you're the equivalent of a twelve year old threatening and whining at people while playing COD online.

If anyone's witnesses this type of behaviour at an airsoft event, report them to the admins immediately, and hope the admins have the foresight to ban them for life.

WOW. Words cannot describe how stupid that whole thing was. I mean come on, why start that shit over a game? People who that kind of attitude need to be weeded out and kicked out! Period.
WOW..

jeebus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWpjQXUCIAE
Different POV for anyone interested.
Keep in mind you, as an airsofter, can also bring this on yourself. Some people have played for 8 years without incident and can be set off by the right fuckup.
Play safe, play honorably.
Think about every shot you make, think about being on the receiving end.

I hear tell many of the operators there are about 14.

Minus the giant bald guy who goes around sucker punching teenagers.

I see this type of stuff when guys refuse to wear lowers and get lit up in the face... sadlife

I'm sorry if you're that easily set off. GET SOME FUCKING HELP. Every single person that threw a punch deserves jail time where they'll get a new husband.
Bald dude that knocked out the other deserves a midnight shower in genpop.

Sorry but absolutely no sympathy here for dickheads like that. Do that on a field I'm at and I guarantee you see jail time.

That's...shameful.


Location: YYZ VOR 062 radial, 17.5 DME FL5280

I haven't witnessed anything this bad myself, but I have seen acts of violent threats and physical violence unfortunately, just not on this scale.

Man its been I think about 8 years since I've seen this level of immaturity in airsoft. I saw something similar in 07/08 while i was in Hong Kong.

both parties were at fault as one guy wasn't callin his hit so the other dude got pissed, and ran up to him and full autoed him in the face, like Long ass burst prolly a good 4 - 5 seconds. the one who got shot was calling hit when he was being shot but 4 - 5 seconds is a long time dude didnt stop so he fumed and threw his gun at him and they started beating the shit out of each other. never saw them again cuz they were probably banned from the field but they were all bloodied up and everything. Don't remember much about it besides the fact that the guy threw his gun at him hard and they started brawling.

not a pretty sight. this video just reminded me of that situation. as I said both parties were at fault. guy who wasn't calling his hit and guy who decided to take action instead of telling refs.

A good reminder that if you have a problem with someone on the field, take it up with the refs or host.

You haven't seen how big corn fed teenagers get.

But as a nod to civility lets bump the age to 35,

Yeah, what the fuck is up with that? You see two people fighting, you don't get into the fight yourself. You restrain the two parties and de-escalate the situation.

That fucker needs to get charged and banned for life. At the end you see him gesturing others to "come at me bro". I know that they're wearing helmets when being punched, but geeze, have some restraint.

This is Jericho Airsoft's response to the video. Really clears the air on what happened. The organizers did handle the matter properly after the fact.
https://www.facebook.com/jerichoairs...10570005650159

If all is as it sounds, then good for Jericho. I also like how other groups and coordinators are asking for the names of those responsible. May they never find a home in airsoft again, it's clearly just not for them. There's more and more cameras out there every week, GoPros, Contours, Etc.

well it's like ASC, word spreads fast on bad teams

Awesome for Jericho to openly take the behaviour to task. BZ.

He's a medic.

Isn't he the one who punched that dude, though?

So?

dude woudln't take a surrender kill cause the rule doesn't exist at that field.

Honestly, who the fuck cares? Turn around, say, okay, I'll take it this time, but you know... that rule doesn't exist here, just sayin'.

Or, I'll take it this time, but Imma call the ref over so you get the lowdown on the local rules.

The guy in black CHOSE to escalate by getting in the MC guy's face, you don't do that shit.

Then kid's roidraged dad comes in and starts hammerfisting and punching people who are trying to break it up.

YOU NEVER take it upon yourself to escalate the situation. Always calmly call yourself out and walk away, if you try to explain and the guy tells you to shove it, call the game control over.

Seriously, someone in the states is going to get shot for real because of a game.


Shit is supposed to be fun. There's nothing specific about it. The more specific you get the more bullshit people will start getting frustrated about.

Competition is what makes this shit dangerous.

I hate when players lose their shit. They might think its ok, but its not, and my buddies and I always remember the guys who yell at other players. So calm your tits, and remember the Gopro isnt far away.

In my experience, offenders are repeat offenders. Getting mad and yelling obscenities isn't okay, but it does happen. I've yelled "$&@#!!" or whatever, because I've been sprayed in the face at close range, but all in all, it is my responsibility to wear a mask, goggles and helmet. If I dont, I'm personally accepting the repercussions of people making mistakes.

There's a rare subclass of roid raging trash talkers who think they're unstopable super soldiers.

They trash talk, they shrug hits and freak out and call their opponents hits because they're always sure they can't miss.

Fortunately they feed of each other. So if you don't have them in your group you're green. Unfortunately they turn up as a group to events and fuckup the day for everyone else. Fortunately their rep normally precedes them so they very quickly run out of places to play.

I always find it weird that some people always figure it's the other guys fault.... I've heard several people say things along the line of "man, if anyone did that to me I'd <punch him out / light him up full auto / etc>" sounds to me like they are just part of the problem waiting to happen :(

I'm just glad to say I've appreciated playing with some of the best, coolest and well natured guys around, it's why I still play.

His occupation has nothing to do with his demeanor. I don't care that he's a medic. I care that he's an asshole.

Couldn't phrase it better myself.


Location: YYZ VOR 062 radial, 17.5 DME FL5280

I've seen it get almost that bad at a Nam game Capital Airsoft held a year or 2 ago. Some guy was butthurt that he got shot and full autod someone point blank then started to push the other player around when his mag went empty.

I saw a video last week of a game at Mach1 where a dude kicked a skid that a player was shooting through because it was against field rules. He promptly husled away when players moved in to restrain him, I just wish we knew who he was cause I believe it's a ban-worthy incident.

You might be missing the sarcasm. I can only imagine him being and in game medic. If he was an actual military medic he'd have moved to the casualty first. If he was a civi he'd have done the same and stated he was an EMT or first aider.

Instead he just decided to continue the freak out and interfere with the people performing first aid.

So yes; a class act.

Guy's not even concerned about his son, lol. Son gettin hurt was just an excuse for him to go all knuckledragger.


Location: YYZ VOR 062 radial, 17.5 DME FL5280

Playing devils advocate, I would be very angry is somebody hurt my daughter. Some times parental instincts kick in.

But this guy is a total dick. I my daughter decided to attack someone on the field like that kid did, I would 100% make sure any physical interactions where stopped, no matter who started them. Then I would do my best to figure out what happened.

This is a totally unacceptable behavior. But I do understand where it comes from. You have several dozen people, firing projectiles at each other while wearing full military gear. Adrenaline and testosterone are high, SoCal is fairly warm event his time of year so people are probably over heating/dehydrated. Some times all it takes is one misunderstanding to start a shoving match which can quickly escalate.

I am not condoning what happened, but I can see how easily something like this can. That being said, I think these players should be banned (as Jericho confirms they have been) because if you can't keep your temper under control, I don't want to be playing against you.

Although the video speaks worlds about good airsoft players. People where checking up on the kid, trying to break up the fight, turning over evidence ect. generally trying to be helpful.

The problem is the guy came on the scene and just threw a punch, didn't try to figure out what was happening. Besides the wrestling on the ground, nobody had thrown a punch yet and nobody was trying to when he got there. He's obviously a big guy, it would have been easy enough to pull the MC player off his kid and find out what was happening before just freaking out.

You say that, but sometimes parental instinct kicks in. You see someone bigger than you kid on top of him and it looks like he is throwing your kid a beat down.

Yeah most parents would have a difficult time restraining themselves. Still the father should have been a better judge of character and ensured that his son was mature enough for the sport (obviously he wasn't).

An online video? Share if you can, please.

I'm a father of 2 kids and ya, parental instincts would kick in but it would be to stop it not escalate it.... in the video no punches were being thrown when the father got there. As a parent and responsible adult, it's your responsibility to de-escalate the situation not make it worse.

I see a few contributing factors.
Strangers rentals mixed with unknown people,
an LA type street gang culture,
adult friends with their children unsupervised.
Steroids.
MMA grand standing.

I played football in Ontario and against teams from all over Canada. I've seen the 6'5+ 300lb 16-18 yeat olds.

My point is that dad should not have come in swinging. I'm glad they are trying to ban that group from all area fields and functions.

I had something similar happen (getting lit up point blank on full auto) at Mach1. Yea I was pissed, yea I was swearing. Yea, I wanted to beat the guy down with his own shoes, but shit happens. I walked away. I went outside and rage smoked a couple of cigarettes, took my time to cool down.


The guy who did it found me after explained his mistake, we shook hands and let it slide.

Its a game, tempers flare, but we are all adults.

Like I said I am a father too. We can say that we wouldnt jump on someone in an instant but I personally havent been in this situation. I dont know how I would respond to seing someone on top of my daughter (or son in this case). The situation also escalated quickly once a ounch was thrown.

Once again not condoning the actions in the video, just looking at it from a different angle. My first instinct might have been to rip the guy off my kid, but once everybody is seperated why continue fighting?

the fight wasn't even because someone got overshot...

it was cause the guy in black got all uppity cause he didn't take a courtesy surrender. The field has no surrender rule, so he was like 'fuck you, I'm not taking it' and then he got up in multicam's face who shoved him back cause he didn't want the guy in his space. At that point blacky threw the first punch and multicam took him down and just held him. Then roid raging knuckle dragger dad came in in and started beating on everyone, even on people trying to pull the guys apart.

Honestly you look at this and you have to say like father like son... who freaked out first? MC guy decided he needed to defend himself for whatever reason and just pushed the guy away and 2 guys blew it up, black throwing punches and his dad beating on everyone.

I don't like surrender rules, they breed retardedness and confusion. But you have to be cognitive that some fields offer it, some don't. You follow the field's rules, and if there's confusion, you set it straight, not challenge and abuse another player to submit then.

I appreciate it when someone gives me a chance to just take a hit and walk when they have a rifle in my back, but I'm not going to argue with someone who has me dead to rights but doesn't shoot, even if the rule is not in play.

[QUOTE=lurkingknight;1934251

I appreciate it when someone gives me a chance to just take a hit and walk when they have a rifle in my back, but I'm not going to argue with someone who has me dead to rights but doesn't shoot, even if the rule is not in play.[/QUOTE]

So much this. I'd rather say, "damn, alright you got me," than be lit up at point blank.

It is one of the more recent videos from Bryan (bobblobfancypants)

videoshttps://www.youtube.com/user/BobBlobOfFancyPants

I'm sorry but saying that you're not condoning it then defending it... seems a bit contradictory. IMO there is no excuse, no reasonable explanation for his actions. Maybe that's just me but even if I did see a guy in that exact same situation my first instinct is to get the guy off not to throw a punch... There was absolutely no hesitation in that guy, he ran on the scene literally with his arm already back to punch. That's obviously his natural reaction to any sort of confrontation, look at the way he acted afterwords... just kept going even when every one else had separated and stopped.

Also, it's completely different with a son and daughter, if a guy was on top of my daughter... well then maybe I'd react that way. But if my son was in that situation, I'd want to know why first before reacting in that fashion.

As stated first priority would have been to seperate the to then figure out what is going on. What he did is inexcusable but people are vilifying this guy. We have two go pro videos in the form of helmet cams and Jericho airsofts statement.

I think everybody agrees that this guy should be banned from games as this behaviour is unnaceptable, but I am trying to look at it from the other side of things. I can understand the desire to protect ones off spring. In this case the guy was wrong, but we didnt see anything before the video and only have a statement about what happened after.

This was completely avoidable but I am just saying I can personally see why it happened. Not that it should have.

Mercy rules are one thing, but should never be forced acceptance. This whole 'bang-bang rule' is stupid, and I see it being abused in many videos. Guys pop out and just say "Bang-Bang!", but don't really have the player dead. Mercy is different because its a question, and you must stay on your target, because if they don't accept right away, whether from indecision or freezing up, you shoot them. Guys pop around corners and fire at me all the time close range, and miss. I don't want some idiot going "Bang-bang, bang-bang!", "Wow. Look at all the people I didn't just kill. Hey, call your make believe hits guys.". When I mercy you, it's because you have very little chance to react or retaliate. If you do, I will and can shoot you. I thInk the whole thing is just a big argument starter, many times players say it to each other at the same time as well, and it starts an argument. If you don't want to get shot close range, wear armor. Mercies are supposed to be clean and polite, not a lazy, bullshitty method of not having to pull the trigger.

The father in question in this video was throwing punches at youth, period. He was big enough to control the situation, period. What he did was clearly excessive force, period. I have a little boy, and if anyone hurt him I'd definatwly react negatively, maybe even hurt the person, but not at the cost of my son's safety, not to set a terrible example. Pull the people off of your kid, head-locks and ground throws work well. Get your kid up off of the pavement and safe, cool the situation and find out what happened.

I was at a bar fight one time, and I see this big dude on top of this kid, holding him down. I ran over, threw the guy in a head-lock and pulled him off of the kid. The guy threw his arms up and said "I'm trying to help, he's the one that was fighting.". I let him go, apologized and shook his hand, we explained to each other what we saw, and I helped to ensure the young man stayed restrained. Can you imagine what would've happened if I had just run up and smoked him in the head? I would've drawn all of his friends into the conflict and a brawl would've broken out. Some guy holding down your son is a far-cry from someone ground and pounding your kid. Also, this was an airsoft event, most of the participants looked fairly young. When your kid gets in a fight at school and loses do you go over to the other kids house after and beat him up? If you caught them in the act, would you hospitalize the other kid?

Anyways, I think it was said earlier, "like father, like son". The kid tried to haul the multicam guy down, and the multicam guy got the better of him and was nice enough to just pin him there. The dad, or someone else in a black shirt, ran over and punched him in the side of the head, hauled him off, and then it looked like two or three others started attacking the multicam guy while he was on the ground, so his friends had to jump in to save him. Just dumb.

There isn't shit on his channel. Which one?

Minors mixed with adults.. faces covered , competition between strangers with no binding social contract.. = lawsuit waiting to happen. Particularly in SoCal ... I predict 15 suits for "psychological Trauma" among the bystanders.

I'm traumatized just by watching it.

For anyone thinking that this was in any way "OK" because of a parent protecting their young it won't wash.

The main actor chose to put his kid at risk.

Situations like this are why I don't like mixed over and under 18. When it goes bad it goes bad in a big way.

Sorry, I think I may have messed up the link... just search in youtube for his name and it should be one of the 'gassy day at Mach1' videos... I forgot which one but it is for sure one of the 3 latest ones.

Do we really need to see what happened before? It was clear in the video that the guy in MC was not being aggressive, he had the other guy pinned to prevent that guy being aggressive. There was no punches being thrown when the father showed up. The father went on instant attack mode and just threw a sucker punch. You can't say, it was wrong and then say I can personally see why it happened.... either it's wrong or it's not.

If it shouldn't have happened then it shouldn't have happened. If he's wrong then he's wrong. There is no justification for it. End of story.

Exactly. Even if the first punch was thrown to get his son to safety, then after he apologized because he didn't know what was going on, that wasn't the case. This guy was a time-bomb before, a reactionary during and unhinged after. There was no reasonable out cause playing with people like that, and his son and friends were not much better. This man is an instigator, who used his size and age to create a large problem where there wasn't one and seriously hurt youth.

Like I said, it was wrong. It should not have happened. I think he deserved to be banned.

But key word is this shouldn't have happened. Rules should have been better explained (something Jericho freely admits is going to be improved). Maybe that player has a history of a bad attitude (we all know players like that). This is all hindsight now of course.

Me personally saying I can SEE why it happened is completely different from me defending him. If I did that on a field (not that I would) being banned and charged by the police is what I would expect. The guy in the Multicam is a good example of airsoft as he didn't knock that kids teeth in, but instead tried to de-escalate the situation without violence.




Once again for people who seem to think I am defending this group of players, I am not. But I also don't buy into the whole witch hunt thing this shit always turns into. These players should be banned from this field and any others as they are obviously immature and a danger to others. I understand parental instinct taking over but this guy took it way too far and needs some psychological help obviously.

Parental instincts to protect your child, or instincts to snap and kill everyone while putting you kid in danger? Wether you assault the guy holding him down or not, grabbing your kid after and removing them from the situation is protection. There was only one potential threat to the guys kid, and he was taken care of right away, though not technically at fault, but then his kid should be his priority, not throw down with everyone while acting like an ass.

This behavior is disgusting, even if it is just verbal abuse against other grown men, it makes me want to stay home and just watch TV.

[QUOTE=lurkingknight; blacky threw the first punch.[/QUOTE]

HaHa best line ever and would be the headline in US print media if they were quoting this.

In all honesty I don't condone this but guys forget what Airsoft was like even 6 years ago it was highly aggressive not the passive mercy stuff of today where a guy gets shot once and complains the whole day how someone shot him and throws a tantrum. Yes the guy went ballistic and all that but guys calling it disgusting and wanted to vomit and all of that... Really hockey fights, baseball brawls, soccer kicks, and almost any other competative sport you all watch them and it happens. Hell even men's league hockey you get a 1-3 game suspension for fighting and that's it.

-Minors should play with minors
-Games should have sufficient refs
-Rules and consiquence lists should be provided to all players (no one does this it's all reactive)
-At the end of the day it didn't happen here and lawsuits will be filled
-Weither they were playing Airsoft or Larpping in fairy costumes or in the streets all are inconsequential to anything we do and if it wasnt caught on camera it would have just been another story out there.

The fuck are you babbling on about? A 40 year old man comes charging in and sucker punches a bunch of teenagers. This isn't a competitive hockey fight, its a bunch of kids getting smacked around by an adult.

Thats why he said Minors should play with Minors, adults with adults. 14 year olds with short tempers and wearing tactical gear look similar to 40 year olds with tactical gear.

Once again not condone the actions, but everybody looks about the same in tact gear, especially when it is full face, with helmet, vest and bulky camo.

sorry no, you can't claim fights in airsoft equate to hockey fights.

You are stupid if you don't see the fundamental differences in the 2 activities.

One is a self policing sport of intimidation, the other is running around playing cowboys and indians.

It's a fucking game that's friendly and fun with a bit of a competitive edge, there's no prizes if you win, no championships, no best in the worlds, no multimillion dollar salaries with millions in endorsement deals.

There is no place for fighting in airsoft, and if you believe there is and there's entertainment value in it, I hope you get your ass kicked off the field as well.

You're comparing mainstream sports to a fringe culture activity involving GUNS. The root source of the activity is inherently violent, we are trying to turn it into a teamwork activity that's competitive and fun that happens to involve guns, we don't need any more stigmas involving violent behavior. Enough people are already freaked out enough about us getting dressed up in full camo and running around with real looking guns. We don't need real blood and guts nor do we want to be seen being lenient on people who bring that shit into our game.

The fact that this IS making the news and the rounds on all airsoft communities means people want to sensationalize it and turn it into something it's not. The communities are so far being unilateral in condemning these actions and saying there is no place for this shit and that the punishment SHOULD be extreme. The public eye sees everything and the last thing we want is a legion of suzy soccer moms banding together to start getting this activity banned. If you really can't see the severity of what happened at jericho, you seriously need to wake up.

This isn't a pro league with a disciplinary committee, and it certainly isn't a sport where physical violence is expected as part of the experience. Considering, I'd say the last thing airsoft needs is real violence attached to it. We're all strangers for the most part, how many of us would continue to play if fights were common? Some guy can just lose his shit and punch you out because he's angry you shot him? No no, it's much more intelligent to ban them for life. This game highly depends upon honor, and there are already too many grey areas to condone more BS. Your anger can be controlled, or you shouldn't be shooting at people.

I remember this one time a guy I was playing with got angry with me. It ended up three against one, I was the one, and they were boxing me in. I doubled back, drew them in, and ended up winning. Tempers were already bad that day, and no one was getting along. Anyways, he starts by calling me a coward, a camper, a cheater, etc. He's mad he got embarrassed, so he starts saying things like I should've gone head on and faced them. It started out even, so they were winning, and I turned that around on them. Obviously he was incorrect, I did nothing wrong by beating them at their own game, it's what it's all about after all. I said something like "don't call me a cheater if you can't back it up, you got beat, end of story.", and I walked away. He responded by spraying me in the back full-auto in the safe area at close range, he was so mad. Now I could've turned around and broken my gun over his head, lord knows I wanted to. If I had, then I'd be just a stupid child like he is. The difference is, now everyone knows how what he's about.

Having a temper is one thing, reacting violently, threatening, and/or calling people names and screaming at them is another.

Ricochet + Fucking 1.

I have to say that was the best way to handle the situation short of nailing his girlfriend later, or making a "I nailed your mom" joke to his face.

I don't get why people think spraying someone like that is a good idea. Best case scenario you get banned. Worst case scenario the person turns around and responds to your plastic balls with a real non simulated fist.


This is a sport about honor. We are simulating real soldiers which are (considered at least) honorable.

It doesn't matter if it's a 14 year old kid or a 65 year old grandfather. These types of actions are not acceptable in any situation that I can possibly see on an airsoft field.

As already stated, this is a game of honor, fun and some competition. Getting pissed and beating on guys that you may be playing with instead of against the next time is just stupid. There is no excuse, and no way that you can say that his actions are understandable in anyway because if you can understand them maybe it's because you're like him????

Everyone gets pissed sometimes, as adults we should know how to react properly and our first instinct should be to protect our kids not beat the living hell out of the guy on top of him. It should be protection NOT revenge. Is that what you want your kids learning? That it's not ok but it is understandable to just run up and punch some guy in the head?

Guys, we play dress up and shoot each other with bb's... we do it on our own time for fun.

Personally, no, i don't watch them. Never have. No interest in any sports which involve watching grown men with the potential of smashing each other into boards and gliding away without giving a shit, or converting faces into paste, and earning multi-million dollar salaries, in doing so.

Maybe i'm not CDN enough, or don't have enough testosterone on board to really get off on that shit.. but i'd rather trim my own nose-hairs with a spork, then to pay attention to that.

I'm glad that the end result for this incident, was what Jericho Airsoft posted.

If this happened on a field that i was playing on at the time, and it was swept under the rug.. that field is off the list of playables.. as well as the individuals involved. I want nothing to do with that sort of bullshit, when i'm trying to get out there and enjoy myself. Life is too damn short, for that noise.

Channel the aggression in a manner that does not put others in harm's way, or ruin everyone else's day, or GTFO.

I agree with you HackD.

Here in Quebec there a huge campaign against bullying but at the same time look at the example of hockey violence. It send contradictory messages to the kids.

Hockey violence? Hockey violence comes in two forms; firstly is a fight between two willing participants and the second is controlled checks against the boards or mid-ice. The alternative is either assault, like in the case of McSorly or Naslund, or something that lands you a penalty. Two consenting adults engaging in a fight under scrutiny and rules isn't necessarily violent, like in the UFC, etc. I know that physical action in sports could be argued as violence, but I strongly believe that the intent is different, and in most cases, intent is everything. As well as purpose served. A fight or brawl at an airsoft game has no purpose.