1x Magnification Mildot Scope?
 

Hey all; I feel like getting a new optic, but I'm getting sick of Aimpoints and EOTechs (please don't hate too hard).

I've always liked scopes that have the filaments in them, but most of those are magnified and I'm mainly a cqb player.

So basically, I am looking for this: a 1x magnification scope with filaments (preferably with a mildot reticle) in a red dot sight or ACOG form factor (not a rifle scope form factor).

On Frank's website (TA) there's one that kinda has what I'm looking for titled "NCStar SPR Mount with Octagon 1.1-4X20 - MIL-DOT".
My problems with it:
1) it's in a rifle scope form factor; I play a lot of cqb, so I would need a better field of vision and eye relief
2) it's ugly as fck
3) it's a NCStar (can live with the brand if I must...)

Another example that's probably a lot closer to what I'm looking for is a SpectreDR.
Problems with it:
1) either 1x/4x zoom or only 4x (I like the variable zoom, but it's a lot of $$$ and I heard the eye relief isn't great, while 4x just doesn't work for cqb)
2) it uses a very messy reticle, not mildot (I could use the reticle, but I just like the basic mildot a ton better)
3) consensus here and elsewhere is that the 1x-4x sucks in general due to a variety of reasons

I sound really picky... but if I'm spending money on an optic, I should be liking it right? :cool:

Open to suggestions and alternatives.

Thanks a lot!

I don't think you're going to find what you're looking for, because as described it doesn't exist.

Sounds like you want a 1x mildot piece of glass, which would be silly I think. At 1x the mildot won't be any better than a red dot. You'd have to go variable zoom "rifle scope" for what it sounds like you want.

It seriously doesn't exist...?

I personally like mildots a lot better than a red dot. The mildots allow you to keep note of the position of where you are tracking your target when you are leading them, thus allowing for the ability to make the same shot if need be. A red dot has only the edges and the dot itself for reference (EOTechs kind of have a reference if you use the MOA ring, but it's not quite the same).

I would like to avoid the rifle scope form factor completely due to reasons stated previously.

So you want iron sights but with some glass?

You could always draw an X on your aimpoint and keep it turned off I guess.

The closest I can think of would be a 1x pistol scope, it might have a reticle closer to what you want but it's still of the "scope" form factor.

Preference is one thing but how much tracking are you doing in cqb where your target is running so fast left to right that you need to lead them that way and will mentally mark that position using the mildot for a relatable follow up? Not too many times, otherwise I feel confident that 1x Mildots would become standard with the brave souls on the frontline.

Would a set of IronDots work for what you are looking for?

I know of some 1x optics but they have some type of variable zoom and are pretty pricey as they're real steel.

I think the closest you can get is a reflex sight with different reticles, unfortunately I don't know of any with a mil-dot style reticle but I like the AIM sports operator reflex sight.

@Danke and @ chaz: uhh, not exactly... I have BUIS, and they are REALLY nice, but I'd like something that I can use to track instead of just target aquisition, otherwise I'd just use an EOTech cowitnessed with my BUIS.

@brock0: I thought about that, but as far as I know, Sharpie doesn't stay on the lens of an Aimpoint, plus it's not quite the same as a filament wire. Although... maybe a cheap open reflex sight with some way of making the crosshairs look semi-professional? Ideas on that?
As for the tracking, very true, but I happen to camp... a lot... from up high... shooting at a fairly wide space (not necessarily open). When they run from cover, tracking with an EOTech sucks, cause the MOA ring gets in the way, and Aimpoint just has no reference.
As for those brave souls on the front lines, airsoft or real steel? Airsoft front liners close in on targets moving from cover to cover, so they snap up their rifles and need fast target aquisition, not tracking. Real steel is mainly in the field, not cqb, so most of their optics are magnified (and quite a few of those scopes use a mildot system).

Haha both batches of front liners I suppose.

You might have some luck with a 1x hunting scope (Leopould used to make one) that might fit the bill, but being for real steel will be pricey.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

Have you looked into Vision King?

Have you tried the new fangled optic about 2/3 up your face. Using both eye open aiming is amazing at tracking a target. Practice aiming down the side of your rifle and you won't need any kind of 1X optic other than your peepers.

The price of free is exceptional as well.

No go, it's too "scope" shaped. Something formed like a triceratops would be ideal

What about something like this:

http://www.riflescope.biz/photo/pl12...ght_hd103b.jpg

It gives you a few different reticules to choose from?!

I've NEVER heard of a 1x scope that has a mildot system!

Mach1 had 1-6 Firefield scope for ~200 tax and rings inc. Outside of shipping from US I don't think there are any other true 1x options you can buy at that price. Do not bother with 1.1 for cqb since it will really mess with your brain trying to merge left/eye right eye.
The only downside to Firefield I found is the weight, it is rather heavy for cqb where red dot/irons suffice.

You won't have much luck in regard to that. There are short dot scopes which are 1-4 but will cost you a pretty penny, and even the low end ones are anywhere from 100 to 200 bucks. And will fisheye pretty badly when you have it set to the 1x magnification.

http://www.leapers.com/listproduct.p...ong_Eye_Relief

These will probably fit your needs.

I have to disagree Firefield, Nikon and Bushnell all produce a 1x variable for ~200CAD that will not fisheye enough to bother you. Obviously other performance characteristics such as light transmission or weight are subpar to $1000 leupold but then again you don't care for airsoft since the $200 optics are already enough to see your bb fall at 100m.

Also avoid buying an optic too cheap since it will only slow you down over red dot/irons.

Said it before and ill say it again, Vortex should be the only optic Airsofters want to buy. Plenty of true 1x optics, some of the best glass out there yes even the 1000$+ optics included. Lifetime warrenty no fault 51% of the optic and they will replace it, painting does not void warenty if you follow their directions.

Optics start at 150$ and go to 5000$ I have multiple scopes from 250-1500$ from them. They are all amazing and improve all parts of my game. The optics are so clear you can easily have 4x on and keep both eyes open no distortion no issues (for me atleast).

Where are the Nikon/Bushnell 1-4 adjustable optics for $200 inside Canada?

I'd really like to know this myself.

I think we'll both be waiting a long time.

You'll be lucky to find a Barska at that price here.

Bushnell ar 1-4x was on sale at SAIL in december I believe it was ~200 before tax. Haven't seen the Nikon 1-4x sales but seeing how its under 200 in US there should be sales at some point.

Seeing as cheapest Nikon 1-4 is $270.00 USD on Optics Planet I remain skeptical.

My bad, you are right, must have been a different scope I was thinking of.

This might fit the bill. You will need to find one used as I don't think they are produced anymore.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ynWOAg4YQB...Sight%2B06.jpg

Chaz wins the tread!

Honestly chaz, if they make one like that in an airsoft package, yes :P Preferably filament wire instead of a printed reticle though.

What I've taken to doing is hiring a mime to run about the field at my beck and call carrying what appears to be a wire BBQ grill.

Then I hang upside down from the rafters like spiderman and call targets down to the mime. It'll sound kinda like "Target, 3:47 PM blue hoody by the third hay bale". Then the mime will dash over and put the crosshairs on the target.

At that point I headshot them and move on to the next tango. 900 confirmed kills so far this month.

My turn to Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... This time at you Danke. :D

It's all I can do since Hasbro humped the restraining order back up to 300'.

I can't give them any feedback at all as it stands.