Kwa? Vfc? We?g&g?
 

I was looking to get a new M4 based rifle I have a G&G CM16 and I wanted to know which brand I should get. KWA, VFC,WE or stay with G&G. Which would you prefer and why? What are some pros and cons with performance and build quality.


Thanks,

tons of post like this mate, just use the search function.

Order of best to worse imo.

AEG'S

VFC
KWA
G&G / WE

Get a VFC and never look back.

Yeah VFC will have the nicest externals and decent internals. However if money isnt a factor just buy a systema lol (im still workin on that lol)

KWA all the way

What's your budget? Are those the only brands you're considering?

So based on the answer already, You have your answer. Everyone like their own Brand.
I like G&G toptech products Over all.

I had a G&G TR16A3 Top Tech probably the nicest rifle I ever owned I had it set up as a DMR I wish I never traded it for the WE Tech M14 because I had to replace every part in it and I am in it $1000 something for the gun and all the replacement parts...

VFC=KWA>G&G TopTech>WE

I would personally scratch WE right off the batt.

Out of the box, KWA, G&G Top Tech and VFC are going to perform similarly. If you're planning on upgrading in the future, be aware KWA uses a proprietary 2 piece hop unit. The new VFC's have the benefit of having a stock rotary hop unit in them; G&G still uses an in-line traditional M4 style. VFC's are widely known for having tip top externals, KWA and G&G's are also nice, but not on par with VFC. Top Techs probably have slightly nicer stock internals than VFC, better piston, motor. VFC's have self shimming gears, G&G's have regular gears and shims; some people like the self shimming gears, I'm personally not a fan.

The way I would order them:
VFC
G&G Top Tech
KWA



WE

What about G&P?

G&P's are not great out of the box, and are overrated IMO. They have good looking externals but suffer from embarrassing issues such as off spec rails, the dust cover can't be closed etc. Their internals aren't that great either, the gear posts tend to break quite frequently, their motors also have a bad rep. Mine suffers from mag fitment issues which requires "the velcro mod" just to get mags to feed right. There seem to be a lot of sloppy issues with G&P, I would expect better from a brand with that price tag.

Most (all) knowledgeable techs will agree that for AR-pattern rifles, VFC is the current pinnacle.

vfc.. when something breaks inside, they are the most replacement part friendly out of all of the brands listed.

gearbox shell is strong... g&g will crack.

when you open it up, shit stays where it's supposed to.. the trigger spring doesn't send the trigger flying, the ARL doesn't torque and push the bevel out... you just need to hold the cylinder down when closing the gearbox vs other brands where that shit is springing every which way.

The vfc gearbox also has enough room to install certain handmade basic mosfets INSIDE the gearbox, leaving the buffer tube clear.

Honestly it's all based on opinion and budget. I personally love my G&G way better than any other m4 I've used (and yes I've tried kwa and vfc), but when it comes down to it, as previously mentioned, they're all almost the same out of the box. Each gun will perform well for a stock gun, each gun will last long enough if you take good care of it. People will tell you that if you don't have the most expensive gun that you're wasting your time but that's not nessecarily true. If you really want to know which one to get, I would suggest heading to a local store to try them out!

On a side note, I do know that kwa uses some proprietary parts so keep that in mind if you're planning on upgrading.

Hope this helped!

I wouldnt say its entirely based on opinion. It is prety much a fact that VFC has some of (if not the) nicest externals, especially when it come to AR's and IMO the hands down nicest 416's and 417's on the market.
internally they have improved by leaps and bounds and the only fault I found in my 417 was an aluminium piston head and a polycarb piston. Head should have been some kind of plastic and piston should have been some kind of fiber reinforced polymer.
For sure of the brands suggested they are going to be the nicest externally and just as good internally.
if it was purely opinion i would say just buy a JG or Echo1 and drop either a pre built or self built lonex box (most of my guns are china crap with good parts put in and they all shoot just as well or beter than my stock vfc417 did and the cost was about the same, 250 for the gun and 150-250 in parts.) I know the OP was askin for our opinions but perhaps i should ask this. What do you want out of the gun. Do you want the best looking gun, best performing, or a workhorse, looks okay shoots consistantly and can take a beating without you caring about a scratch or scuff?

There's at least King Arms if you're on a budget, full metal, decent externals, and decent overall quality for a good price. Very popular in Hong Kong for upgrading.

It is not opinion. When you build AEGs for people you will understand why all the builders in this thread are saying vfc. I have never had parts not mesh well in a vfc, I've seen about 20 of them now across my work bench. I've had a deepfire that had an upper machined so poorly it won't clear the front pin and has to be hammered apart. I've had G&Ps mysteriously lose air seal if you tighten one screw too much. An SRC 416 with a bent/warped upper that wouldn't fit on the lower. I've had 5 g&g CMs all with cracked gearboxes. I've had a g&g scar with a cracked gearbox, a g&g mp5 with a cracked gearbox. They ALL use the same v2 shell. A CA m4 pistol grip came with 2 slightly different sized screws and the big one ended up stripping out all 4 holes in the bottom of the grip so only that one screw fit.

The only other brand I've not had many build issues with is king arms, but they have their own set of quirks as well regarding external mods.

If your only experience with AEGs is opening the box, putting a battery into it and gaming it, you don't have a foot to stand on telling people their technical experience is opinion.

Perhaps my statement was a little inaccurate it is true that some brands will be all around better than others and yes I can understand the difference of working on a nice gun and a shitty one, however,

I've worked on all of the guns mentioned (minus the WE) and internally they are all a breeze to get around. Vfc is a nice brand I will not lie but my G&G comes apart and goes together flawlessly every time. I've felt Vfc's that do not live up to expectations and to be honest I think for the price you pay for them, they're not worth it if you're going to work on the gun IMO. As mentioned before, it all depends on what you're doing with the gun but any of the mentioned brands will work fine (so long as you don't get a lemon and yes ALL of the brands will produce the odd lemon) out of the box.

im looking at the HK 416 BY VFC (or VR16), WE m4, KWA SR10, and the GG tr4-18, like im looking for guns that can take m4 magazines, with good accuracy (stock until i can upgrade), good performance, and can have lots of parts just incase in breaks. my budget is $600

In that case, all of the guns you have mentioned will perform and feel quite nice out of the box. The tr4-18 and the 416 are obviously going to be very similar, but the vfc will be more true to the real thing of course. Out of the box the kwa will probably be the best performing gun, but just know that some of the parts are proprietary. I'm not too sure about the WE, but I would probably stay away from it due to the fact that they usually aren't up to par with the other selections for what your paying.

So to recap, if you want the best gun out of the box that you're not going to touch internally too much, the kwa is a solid choice. The vfc will run you a bit more, but will perform solidly and will look completely badass out on the field, not to mention easy to upgrade as well. The g&g will probably be a little cheaper, so if you want a model/ look alike 416, go with that then use some of the money you have saved to put into upgrades. Finally, as I mentioned the WE is probably something you want to stay away from, I've never had too much experience with the aeg line but I have had experience with the gbb line and it's not all that great.

Since they're all V2 gearboxes, it shouldnt be hard to source parts for any of them.

Hope this helped

The G&G TR4-18 and the VFC 416 will have issues fitting PMAGS, they're slightly too big to fit in the magwell; it's the same with real 416's, thats why Magpul made the EMAG (it's thinner). STANAG mags will work fine in both.

There will be no shortage of aftermarket parts for the VFC and G&G (both are Marui spec), your problem will only be with which brand of part to chose. KWA (because it uses some proprietary parts), however, is a different story.

If it's something you plan on having for a while and upgrading in future, get a VFC it's the nicest platform to build from. Flat hop it (easy and inexpensive) and throw in a nice TBB and you're laughing.

I would not buy a kwa aeg... the hopup is inferior and incompatible with standard v2s. the nozzle is slightly longer and offspec with no oring, the gearbox shell is offspec, and no it isn't a better performer out of the box vs the vfc or the g&g.

While it's not hard to get replacement parts from kwa, it's not worth the hassle. If this is going to be your only aeg for a while you don't want it to be down for a few weeks because you're waiting on parts.

Being in the GTA there are 2 aftermarket parts vendors within a day's mail service of you and several stores within an hour drive of you if you need parts, not to mention several competent/exceptional techs in the GTA should you need service. Paying an extra 50$ for not having to wait at least 2 weeks for kwa parts from the states is a no brainer.

but but but but my RM4 ERG is so fun :D

I'm not even sure if that gun is OEM'd by KWA...

Even though the kwa hop up is proprietary it will outperform most guns out of the box. I have 2 kwa m9 ptps shooting 350 that will reach as far if not further than either my g&g or my pals stock vfc fighter. The gearbox is definitely proprietary but it is the most beefy out of all of the guns and will perform solidly. Plus kwa has a pretty awesome warranty that most companies don't offer.

I wouldnt knock kwa out so easily. There's a reason that they're considered one of the top brands out there.

you are comparing GAS PISTOL hopups to AEG hopups?

....waiting for the flaming to begin :D

They may be for different systems yes but if that has anything to say about how the 2gx system will perform then I see a lot of potential. I personally have not tried the 2gx bucking in any of my aegs but I have heard from many different people that it is a solid performing bucking. There's countless YouTube videos and forums that can also attest to this.

you're killin' me, smalls.

Anyways I don't want to start a internet war over which gun is better for that will not help with what he actually wanted. I'm just giving my input and I respect that you have your own.

You have no idea what you're talking about and you should stop making a fool of yourself. We all just heard a big "I have no idea what I'm talking about but these YouTube videos seem legit."

This! Its on the interwebz, is must be true!

I am Leaning to the VFC HK 416, I was wondering what the best brand of magazine would fit the rifle best? im looking for high caps or mid caps.

From my experience, the PTS EMags (discontinued) and the new PTS EPMs offer the most snug fit, highest performance and most substantial feel of anything else currently offered on the market.