Realistic AEG
 

Hey Guys & Gals

Im trying to find if there are other options for AEG's that are realistic. What i am looking for in an AEG is recoil, the bolt physically slides back, functioning slide and the bolt holds open/mechanical cut off when the mag runs dry. So far i have found the PTW and the TM Recoil Shock series to do all these things. Both of which are high in the price category, when i look for an alternative i get clubbed over the head with the Magpul PTS RM4 Scout which doesn't have all the features. Is there other alternatives that have the features i want or am i stuck with paying the price for a TM?

then you mean GBBR

Did you actually need two threads for this?

But yeah, what you've said kinda points to a GBBR. There really isn't much in the market that incorporates those features than what you've already mentioned.

BOLT m4

two threads for same question...

Get a GBBR!

Welcome to ASC, take a moment to read the FAQ's and stickies as most anything you may have a question for has probably been answered already!

Ugh there's a big thread on this already that's some what relavent.

Just get the KWA RM4, I have it kicks more then the TM, granted, the Bolt kicks more, but doesn't have the bolt catch thing you gotta tap.

I too, would be interested in an AEG like this. However, as you said, theyre usually fairly pricey or hard to use.
The BOLT seems like a good idea, but if you've seen the review on the front page of AS, you'll see why I have doubts. (basically it just crapped out)

I know a guntech in Mb that's been using the BOLT for a while, says it's great.
The gen1s were unreliable, the gen2s are really good.

Sounds like you've had enough of hearing this but the RM4 ERG is worth checking out. When I decided to get a good electric gun two of my top criteria were what you're looking for: fights back when you pull the trigger and doesn't keep cycling when it's out of ammo.

I ended up getting a RM4 Scout and i'm real happy with it. Two downsides that come to mind with the RM4 is the recoil is front-to-back instead of up-down so it doesn't take you off target and the 'bolt release' is really wimpy.

But the build quality feels really solid, it's accurate and it sure is purty...

KWA RM4 would be my choice (for 'AEG) too. As a matter of fact, I have both the scout and CQB one. :)
But both of them can't compete with my PTS Megaarms AR GBBR. :P

Can't believe no one has said it, the PTW does none of those things.... The only thing it does is stop fire ring when mags are dry (90% don't anyway) and has the "bolt release" and all that does is allow the mag to start feeding.

No kick
No bolt
No working cocking handle
No working ejection port

I have nothing left to say other than GBB or Real Steel...

Good luck getting the TM it shoots 280 FPS out of the box and if you upgrade the spring the gun blows apart.

The fact that it does one of the things means it doesn't do none of the things lol

Although 99% of ptw's DO stop firing when the mag is empty, most of them have had the bolt catch bypassed so you don't have to hit it to get it to start feeding again.
The only other aspect that makes a ptw realistic is only it's compatibility with rs parts.

Anyway, it seems most of you didn't bother reading his post very carefully
Nowhere does it say he's looking for a GBBR, and you think that JUST MAYBE there's a valid reason as to WHY he's not looking for a GBBR???

Looking for functionality of GBBR
Very specifically NOT looking for a GBBR
You're looking for a truck, I don't offer you a damn motorcycle.
Pay attention.

Yea...so.
Thanks for all the feedback I appreciate it. Posting two threads for the same question is my bad, won't happen again. It's true I was specifically asking about AEG's but it seems the options are truly few and far between which I kinda found out on my own but wanted to see what more experience players had to say about it here. I realize that GBBR would be the go-to realistic weapon platform but I'm just not interested in using gas as oppose to battery. Meh, I'll guess I'll check out the RM4 again as well as BOLT. Thanks again.


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But if you ask me what is the best motorcycle to move a sheet of plywood, I'm gonna tell you to buy a ***** truck....

I do that too. I would still tend to tell him which motorcycle as well though.

Realism has many facets when it comes to airsoft. Sound, weight, feel, compatibility, kick, etc, all come into play. No gun does all of these 10/10 of course, but some have either mastered one or two of these dynamics or at least have the best option(s) available.

Most realistic weight: Systema PTW 10/10 (some GBBRs are fairly close)

Most realistic compatibility: Systema PTW 9/10 (it's the closes you'll get)

Most realistic sound: RA-Tech/WE M14 Open Bolt 6/10 (there's a company in New Zealand who's developing a sound box for AEGs with real .22 sound)
Most realistic kick: RA-Tech/WE M14 Open Bolt 5/10

Most realistic functions: Systema PTW 6/10 (for simulated jam, takedown, basic basic functions) charging handle can be modded to work, so can the dust cover to an extent.

Realism is great, but accuracy, distance, consistency and reliability are number one for me.

If you need a truck to move a piece of plywood then it's time to go back to bed and rethink your life

OP, the closest thing to what you're looking for is the KWA RM4. Bolt stop on empty, simulated recoil. The fake bolt doesn't cycle in the chamber, though. Other than that they're well built and perform well. I own 2 BOLTs and I'm planning on getting rid of one for a RM4. They both have their ups and downs but for realism, the RM4 is on top in my books.

You want TM recoil shock.

Pros: Recoil, bolt stop on empty, bolt movement, sounds amazing, shoots great (with or without upgrades)

Cons: Very expensive, proprietary mags, internal upgrades required to reach 400fps, stock battery configuration sucks.

Buying mine has ruined me for every other AEG platform. Love it to death.

tooo lateee he joined the kwa cult :p

Has the rear wired version of the KWA been released yet?

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I wonder if I can find a tm recoil shock already modded from the retailer. I seen somebody posted that upgrading the spring on a tm would make it explode, figure of speech sure but is it really that hard to upgrade the spring in a tm recoil? Or is it that the stock internals are not able to handle the upgraded fps?


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If someone has a working upgraded one find out exactly what they did because a certain Overseas retailer attempted to upgrade it for North America and in doing so broke 4 rifles completely before sending a response starting they will no longer attempt this upgrade and we will not ship to Canada. So take it with a grain of salt but the internals and externals of that particular rifle just were not ment for 366+ as stated the factory FPS is 280

The buffer tube will not withstand the stresses of a 400fps spring. The piston either, likely the gears and gearbox shell as well.
you want realism go gas, you want function, low maintenance, go electric.
realistic and aeg dont really belong in the same scentance IMO. Yes companies have made attempts at it (some prety good) but at the end of it all they are just adding more moving parts to break in systems that alrdy have alot of lil stuff that can go wrong.
now looks wise there are alot of realistic aegs, the vfc/umarex line of H&K guns comes to mind, LCT AK's, systemas (also have the lock on empty feature).
and i contacted echigoyaguns and they told me they would upgrade the gun but if they break it I buy it wouldnt even give the option of me talking with their tech to get measurements and specs and then i send parts then they build gun and send (thats how they did my vsr for me) basically tho you will need a custom gearbox shell to avoid the V2 type failiure at the front. Then a custom buffer tube, or at least a modded one. And then piston and spring Thats at minumum for it to stay intact at 400 fps for any ammount of time. Could prolly do without the shell but may as well go big if yer gonna do it.

This is why I could care less about the sound and kick in an airsoft gun. Gimmicky would be an understatement. The kick and sound they make is at the the toy level and in no way adds to the realism for me. I'll wait till someone developed a pneumatic bolt and an electric sound projector to get close to real steel, until then "meh"...

Important realism equals: look, feel, weight, scale and compatibility. All out performance comes way before any of that though. Get the gun that'll eliminate your targets, plenty of ones are seriously realistic and can do just that. Don't get the gun that has a hissy hit in varying temperatures or is tethered to you like a lame paintball gun.

The electric bolt guns are neat, but they can be quite hard on themselves. People seem to be loving the KWA RM4, but I'd still recommend foregoing the electric bolt feature and getting a VFC.

A few of the TM Recoil Shock Series being sold on triggerairsoft.com had this in the description, "Upgraded to 400 FPS Spring ONLY (nothing else modified)". So assuming it possible.


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B.L. tech is supposed to be releasing a sound simulator in the form of a M203 launcher, I'd love to see it if field organizers allow it. As for RM4 they are pretty good, and so are VFC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHr1AN0RKYY

Compares it favourably to a few different .22 loads but doesn't look like it made it out of the woods.

Not for me because one of the things I like about Airsoft guns for indoor target shooting is that they're so quiet!

It's possible to put a spring in a TM to get it to 400fps, but the stock internals will eventually fail pulling that spring - it's just too stiff for a gun designed to shoot around 300fps out of the box.

I do have a mostly stock TM M4 with a special spring shooting around 330fps and I can tell you it shoots just as accurately as the wide variety of 400fps VFC guns I've owned with R-Hops and all that jazz.

I recently became the happy owner of an Elite Force (Ares) Tavor, which, to my pleasant surprise, has Electric BlowBack (EBB). Though it lacks the recoil of some AEG realistic guns, it certainly does have it. It's worth a shot if you're looking for function over realism, while getting some realism along with it.

He is looking for a "realistic" AEG
I have that Tar-21 too..all it does is a slide going maybe about half way.
The bolt can only open half way too.. I rather disable it, but i need to think of resell value :wink:

Most realistic AEG's would be either the KWA ERG's or the BOLT M4's, the Bolt's have more recoil, but don't require the Bolt catch to used on an empty mag.

Otherwise get a GBBR if you really want realism.

OP is looking for AEG.

AEG may have simulated recoil and electronic sound, but it is not realism. The charging handle don't work, bolt does not open after last shot. I see so many players pull the charging handle on an AEG before they fire. Why??

The recoil from a GBBR is real because it is the bolt actually cycling, not the gears whining in a gear box and piston slamming back and forth in a gear box like a AEG.

Any thoughts on this?

http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/magic-box...l#.VW_cp1iCPCQ

Supposedly this kit allows the recoil shocks to have stronger springs.


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Ripperstyle, it doesn't matter how you dress up an AEG it will never perform with realism like this ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJF...uAR6sw&index=8

The most realistic AEG in my opinion

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mobcDKhy7YU

I was thinking about exactly the same thing on 2012. I was trying to avoid using gas, even on pistols.
But after buying my first GBB pistol, I brought a few more. Then a GBB SMG. Now I am thinking about buying a GBB M4.

Or better yet, this. http://eagle6.co.uk/shop/catalog/pro...-shock-series/


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I've switched gears sort to speak and been looking in a different direction for an aeg. I dropped the realism for more functionality and went researching the WE M4 Katana. I love the fact I can use one gun for multiple games with multiple fps limits. I'm willing to do the necessary upgrades to it as I'm hearing the internal quality needs some upgrades to last longer. The one thing I couldn't drop from the realism I wanted was the bolt stop on last round. I REALLY want that so I heard you can install an ascu gen3+ with there hop up unit to give me the bolt stop function I want.

Will again suggest TM next gen recoil M4. If you look there's a Canadian retailer with them for sale for around $650 or so. The price is high but after you tune up a $400 AEG you'll be getting up there anyway.

Literally needs no mods other than wiring for lipo in the stock (not even this if you want to use the Marui batteries) and a new spring and you've got your amazing performance, recoil, and bolt stop.

My stock Marui shoots around 340 FPS (fine for cqb around here) and it performs beautifully, even outdoors at my regular field with lots of long ranged engagements with 400 FPS shooting guns.

So at outdoor games you don't feel your at a disadvantage with your 340fps TM? I've read that TM's shoot soft but the range and accuracy is still there because of the good hop up and barrel. Is that what you find with yours?

FPS/power is only a small part of the range and accuracy equation. It is actually easier to make a slower projectile go straight. You wouldn't believe the accuracy you can get out of TM electric pistols at 200 FPS.

Power is irrelevant if you can get a round on target every time you shoot. I play outside with guns shooting around 1 joule (328fps with 0.2g BBs) all the time and never feel at a disadvantage. One notable advantage is that at that power level, you don't have a minimum engagement distance, so you can shoot close range without hurting other players. You don't have to switch weapon or call a freeze/bang bang/whatever. I find that when playing in woodland settings, it is a lot more useful to be able to engage close range than at extremely long range, but then again, that might just be my style of play.

I will touch on that.
60 fps isn't going to greatly increase range and isn't going to allow the use of a significantly heavier be. For example at 400 with a good hop up you'll likely run .30 maybe a .32. At 300 you will run .25 maybe even a .28. The effective range of a .25 vs a .32 isn't all that different even at a lower energy. Now we are talking even less ~60 fps isn't gonna make much impact at all and with a well tuned hop up you can likely run the .32 in the 340 fps gun just as effectively as a 400 fps gun. Main difference will be flight time to target and it won't be by much. Without busting out the calculator I'd say maybe at max range (250-300ft or so) it'll be around 0.25-0.50 secconds
that's not that much really, my 500fps bolt action has about a 2 second flight time out to 450ft when running .40g bb's
search up the bbbastard msed and check out some of the links. The site seems broken up a bit now but Google will link u to all the info.
http://msed.bbbastard.com/ATP/04-a-01.htm
you can see the physics behind airsoft and how different velocities and bb weights effect range

Unfortunately it is vapourware, but the real sword magnetic system was supposedly all that you wanted.

No I don't feel at a disadvantage due to somewhat lower FPS. I don't notice any discernible difference between the "soft" shooting TM and the 400fps VFC AEGs I've ran in the past, other than that the TM is consistent, accurate, and a hell of a lot more fun to shoot. The TM also sounds great - I'm constantly getting asked what I'm running and when people shoot it, it's pretty much universally a shit-eating grin that appears once they get on the trigger.

The TM stock hop up is very good. More than equal to the task of lifting .28's at 330fps (you can in fact way overhop .28s at 330 fps) with consistency and accuracy.

Last game out I hit a guy through a 4" gap in a bunker (I know because it's made of 2x4s and one was missing) at about 150 feet with a quick 3 round burst. I don't think that's an amazing shot or anything, but certainly accurate enough for me.

If I could go back and tell my past self to skip the rest and go straight for the TMs, I totally would. It's an outstanding platform overall.

Best M4 AEG I had was a G&P Sentry. Thing is like a laser! I like G&G and G&P

I can't seem to find Tokyo marui recoil shock m4 magazines sold in Canada. I'm not sure how hard it is to have them shipped from China or the UK which is where I see them all being sold.

Just get them from a Hong Kong/Taiwan online store. There's no problem importing airsoft magazines as long as they don't have fake bullets like P90 mags.

KWA ERG. It has recoil, and a bolt catch if you buy the ERG mags.