Gryphon BBs Reviews?
 

Hi all.

I was just wondering if anybody had experience with B2's (gryphonairsoft) Gryphon line of BBs? It's getting harder to get quality bios since Bastards is gone now :(

Thanks!

Ran ok in my brothers PTW. no personal experience with them.

B2 was nice enough to send me some Gryphon 0.30g Bio's, so I could review them, which I'm hoping to do by this Sunday. But I've been ridiculously busy lately. I'll be testing them in a Tokyo Marui MK23 Socom, a KWA MK23 Socom, a G&G M16A3 and a Systema PTW MK18 Mod-0 for feeding, chrono and flight consistency. That being said, I've heard good things about B2 as a company. Also Elite Force and Green Devils are both good brands around Canada. The Elite Force are especially easy to come across I find.

Favorite are madbulls, but yeah EF hasn't ever let me down either :)

Allegedly the Gryphon BBs are the same as green devils but I found that the Devils are better flying BBs

Yes I've heard that, right from B2 as it were. That being said, Green Devils are one of the best BBs of all time. I briefly looked at Green Devils next to Gryphons and they looked different, but I haven't had the chance to shoot them yet. I base my pass/fail system on Elite Force now. They aren't the best, but they are readily available, never jam/chop and rarely have an unbalanced flier, though they don't match the quality of Bastards or Devils.

I use them weekly in a PTW, ERG and a couple ACR's. Work very well with all of them, accuracy is great as well. I'm going to use a bit lighter for speed of bb but for the most part I like all the results thus far. Even their tracer 25s where really nice to use albeit in LMGs however they all flew very well with little spread at 200'.

You're using Gryphon's or Elite Force?

I keep on hearing that BB Bastards were the best, so why are they gone??

Soft CAD dollar and a soft vendor market

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...page=35http://

Their whole market was just us, with higher QC.

Any gun I used BB Bastards in misfed. Every time. And not to mention half the quantity of other brands for more money.


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BBB were by far the best BBs I ever used, never ever had any problem with them. Oh well, at least we still have the MadBulls. Their PLAs BBs are pretty much the same thing as the BBB Bio.

I'm gonna have to call you out on that big time. First off, I've been doing this for over a decade hardcore and am very picky about everything I use, not to mention I run a Systema PTW (known as one of the most picky guns around). I've used most of the mainstream BB companies and a ton of others over the years, including side-by-side comparisons. Tons of weights, colours, in tons of guns and weather conditions. Nothing has even come close to the quality of Bastards and that includes the other classically known BEST brands that have come along and even been around longer. I've ordered Basatards from multiple retailers and even had them delivered by the crate. I have NEVER had a bad batch or any even mis-feed or chop. That's hundreds of thousands of rounds and maybe exponentially more as many, if not most, of my friends over the years used Bastards almost exclusively. They are so polished they almost feel oily in your hands. So either you don't have actual Bastards or there's something wrong with your gun. If you have some "crappy" Bastards in your possession I'd be hella' interested to see some of them.

Has anyone else had a similar experience to this guy?

I've had a few misfeeds with BBB's "Frag" line, but it could have been the cheap mag as well (I didn't get to test with other brands). Usually they fed just fine and flew nice and straight.

The frag-line is for grenades not magazine fed weapons. They intentionally don't super polish them for that reason.

??? Gryphon's. Not sure where you got Elite Force unless you mean that's what you are basing findings against as mentioned. Gryphon makes .25 tracers, used 3-4 bottles of them in August and worked like a charm. I Have elite force however I don't use them that much.

Considering the results I got with them, I would disagree. I've had maybe a handful misfeed with them from the 20 000 I've used. I'd say that's good enough for me. I guess It shows how good the brand is if they're really intended for grenade use only. Anyways, that's beside the point of this thread lol.

That is what happens when it is "proudly designed in Canada" then "$$$ made over seas"

If BBB was 100% made in Canada, they would be still here today. Plus they would be contracted by other companies for private labelled bb's.

You can certainly use them in whatever you like, I've even used a few in a spring L96 and they worked. They didn't however get the same love and polishing as their other lines.

I had problems with Bastards Bio bbs. Was a hot day and every one of my magazines, rifle and pistol the bbs flattened out and jammed. Took over 2 hours with a pick to get them all out. Then the vendors here couldn't get any bbs cause they were going to some big event in the states. We all had to look elsewhere and never looked back.

Their regular bbs were good, a little pricey, but I hated their bios. And if they are not going to be available, well, hard to stay with something that you can't buy.

So what do people buy now?

Madbull, G&G, maybe some others.

Bioshot (still rarer and harder to get than some more widespread brands), and I may be trialling the 0.3 Gryphons at OP:Risk alongside the bioshots.

Elite Force.

I'm with Ricochet, Elite Force.

Interesting to hear you had issues with your Bastard bio's like that. Nearly a decade ago we switched over to bio's and didn't have any issues, in fact I'd say they were easily on par with their styrene rounds. The only problem I had witnessed is one of our guys saying his Bastard bio's began melting in the bags he had purchased after sitting for a year or two. The weird part was that he got his in the same crates that we got ours and bags were handed out randomly, except for desired weights. Every other player had not experienced this and not only has mine just ran out after over six years, but another one of our guys who dropped out of airsoft the year after we made the order is now selling his bags in perfect condition. I'd have to surmise that is must have something to do with how they are being stored. Having them around severe hot, cold, or even moisture hasn't ruined any of my Bastard bio's. I've played in 40•, -20•, and torrential rain and if a BB will feed consistently in a PTW, it'll feed in anything. But Grudge is correct, if BB Bastard is done then alternatives will have to be sought out.

Lots of people rave over the G&G and Madbull lines, but I've never used G&G and when we ordered Madbull's they all jammed and chopped, but that was over a decade ago now.

Bioshot seems to be king of the modern bio, especially because of the weights they offer, but I again, have not tried them myself and they can be difficult/expensive to get.

Goldenball and Valken suck terribly. I've personally seen both have issues in several guns and have never read a positive review on them.

Tamashi bio BB's are literally the worst BB's on planet earth. I'd almost run those frumpy plastic ones at Canadian Tire over those.

Elite Force are great and readily available, at least out here. I know of at least four different shops that carry them, so they are really easy to get and work very well.

BB Bastard is possibly the best BB ever, but they've closed up shop, so who cares.

Green Devils are another outstanding BB with a couple of carriers in Canada. They've been around forever and are probably the best BB out of Europe. Up until BB Bastard bio rounds these were the way to go.

Gryphon's are B2's foray into the BB world and are lauded as being on par with Green Devil's, but not enough solid data is on them yet. Sidster, who I know owns many different platforms, swears by them, but other than that, it's a mystery. However I have heard good things about B2 consistently and hopefully can review their rounds soon.

Was running Elite Force with zero issues and super happy with the performance. Recently switched to Madbulls and I am just as happy with them as the EF's.

That's like....literally forever in the airsoft world. Madbulls are great.

That's why I said it was over a decade ago. Many people swear by them now, but we never went back. Gotta be fair.

Honestly, go by availability, cost and most of all, quality.

In my opinion every BB has to pass the PTW test. For some reason they don't like crappy or mediocre rounds, so if it feeds and shots well in a PTW then it's good to go.

The PTW test is pointless. When less than 1% use the platform its validity is moot. Not to mention if a platform is so picky...maybe it's not the BB.


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It's not pointless and it's just for me, so it doesn't matter what others run, "lol". That being said, I've seen guns that can even run Tamashis, but that doesn't validate their overall quality and integrity. As PTWs only feed reasonably good quality BBs, that makes it a great testing system, especially since it's consistent. I'm not recommending that people buy PTWs...okay well that's not necessarily true, but I am recommending high quality rounds, period.

I did a side by side last night with Green devils and Gryphons.

had 16 mags loaded, 8 of each brand 0.30g. Shot at a gong with the PTW at 200ft measured distance. Went one mag Devil then reloaded to a gryphon mag. I had A LOT OF FLIERS with the gryphons. Every 5th to 8th BB went wildly in some upward direction, Up and left or up and right, devils flew straight to target. After shooting 4 mags of each. I did some measurements. Weighed a batch of 20x 0.30g BB's of each brand that was loaded in the mags to get a total weight of 20 BBs as i'm not going to individual weigh one at a time. Total weight is correct at 6grams. Returned to shooting the remaining 8 mags I had the same results as the first 8. Lots of fliers with the gryphons, the number went down to one in every dozen to twenty BBs.

Something is not quite "¿right¿" with the gryphons. Friend do the same test with a WE katana. BBs feed fine but lots of fliers.

PTW test is reasonable. the metal loading nozzle and the tight tolerances of the hopup chamber means that if the BB is too brittle, or soft it's going to get chopped up, or deformed during the loading/feeding. This would hold true for any gun running metal nozzles IE WE Katana, upgraded gas guns, or some custom CNC nozzle AEG builds.

Hmmm, thanks for the insights Azathoth. Did you cut a few open to see if they had air pockets or look at the surface for dimples? That might cause the fliers.

I don't have a pill splitter or tool to accurately and cleanly split a BB to see if their was any air pockets.

I used the shadow method to look at the BB to see if their were any dimples or surface imperfections, and I did look for debris, dust,dirt,grass on the BBs.

My theory was that I had some BBs that got mixed into my gryphons that weighed less than what was advertised hence doing the weighing. I could have gotten unlucky and just never manage to get any off weight BBs in my samples when i pulled them out of mags to be weighed.

So I have some theories why the fliers.

1. Air pockets in the BB, as I didnt cut them I just don't know. I honestly doubt it's air pockets as typical at 0.30g+ their simple is too much weight required to make the BB for their to be air pockets
2. BB's are not all the same weight but my weight samples didn't catch any.
3. Force from loading nozzle from PTW squashes/deformed the BB during the chambering process.

I'm leaning towards theory 3 as my buddies WE katana has the same issues. He never weighed his BBs though.

And I'm still looking for mine. Seems they got up and walked away.

When I have time. I may test another mag of Gryphons. I'll shoot them into something soft like a towel, and see if their are marks on the BBs from the nozzle/hopup.

Hey gents, i have found a small quantity of our .3g BBs that do have air pockets, you may have some from this batch. I have ordered in new samples from an inbound batch where the issue has been fixed.

If you have BB's that have air pockets, please contact me and i will get you hooked up with better ammo once it lands in about a month

As for the other weights we offer, they are still zero bubble through and through. Again, if you have any questions, please let me know

Cheers

James