Mac11 - Skirmishable Primary ?
 

Hey, as I continue researching which gun I'd like to use, I keep getting drawn back to the idea of using an HFC Mac11 as a primary. It's fairly low cost, full auto, and with silencer, fairly accurate (supposedly). I realize I'd be lacking in the distance department, but would the firepower and compact size make up for it ?

Thanks.

Where exacly do you plan to play?
What's the field like?

Will you be willing to pay for duster and many mags?
Any consideration of KWA? For Propane purposes.

Remember that you need a few mags and it will only run on duster... and they're a real hose.

Hmm, I'd heard the run just fine off propane. Dang.

the KWA choice might be better, then.

As for field.. mostly just paintball fields, like FR, Sgt Splatters, etc.

It's ok for Splatters but outdoor fields is a different story. I'm pretty sure that any stock AEG will do a better job than M11 when it comes to outdoor games. Also, keep in mind that nodoby really plays at Splatters any more. I think this year there was only one game there, maybe two.
Think about it, you will need at least lets say 3-4 mags to play. Add that to a price of M11 and you will probably be close to an AEG. If you just want to play once in a while, get stock TM AEG with one hi-cap, battery and a charger.

With the M11 you'll be able to get around faster, easyer and more unseen than anyone with a rifle and 10+lowcaps straped all over them. The M11 are pritty loud and everyone will know it's you once you take one shot. I'd say go for it but be ready to have a differnt play style than everyone, you should also start saving money aside for a AEG because I'm sure you'll get tired of the M11's soon enough.

I do not have much technical knowledge about airsoft, but I play at FR for paintball. Yes, paintball! Anyways, the idea of a mac 11 is a little hesitant on my part. It has its good sides (full auto, small size) but since you are only playing every so often go for a good TM AEG like everyone reccommended. Im looking at the new TM m4a1 Full metal, its brand new. Maybe you should look into it. The Mac 11 is definately a worthyable skrimishing sidearm but as a primary, go for something more reliable. I hope my 2 cents helps. :D

i can see a mac11 has a primary back up but not as a primary.

Hmm you want a small, reliable gun and you're willing to accept lower accuracy at longer ranges? TM has this little magic gun which just MIGHT do the trick. They call it the MP5K. If you do go ahead and buy one I'm sure you'll be toying with the idea of buying some random armalite within a year, but at least you wont have to worry about your guns reliability.

I would personnaly suggest a slightly larger gun but if you do decide to go ahead with this heres a rough budget.

-1 Marui MP5 K $350 (from Tru) ( $329 at Canadian AS but it's not in stock)
-1 8.4 stick battery $29.85 @ Canadian AS (This is what the K takes, I think)
-2 G&P MP5 Midcaps $30 each (UN company - who orders from there again?)

Or just invest in a larger gun, but again thats more money.

-Cheese

i agree, it does not have the same stats as an aeg (velocity, accuracy, ect.)

No one's mentioned ammo yet. The Mac-11 has a ridiculous ROF. The mags have very sensitive mechanisms that shoot out the white stuff upon the lightest touch, kinda like my dick after BMQ. That and they hold 50 rounds each. Do the math.

Lol :D. I thought I mentioned that but after proofreading I guess I didnt. Ammo would go rather quickly throught that micro SMG. 50 rounds isnt enuf.

Carvs. I saw a MAC used as a primary only once.
Guy had one at an outdoors game, plus 2 mags or so. Each mag emptied in less than 3 seconds, he was out-ranged by everyone.
So he played for about 30 seconds (total) before he ran out of ammo and was shot.
He went back to his car in disgust and returned with an AK47. He then played all day with the AK.

To answer the original question; the best way to find out what is used in games and what works is to go see for yourself. You'll quickly understand that just a MAC or handguns will pretty much suck.

This IS HFC, a Taiwanese copy-company... perhaps it's adapted to use propane?

Just get a KSC M11 if you want one, the mags are easy to get comapred to all other types of M11s out there. I have one, custom supressor that actually works and has the side benefit of increasing the fps by a fair bit, and I have yet to use it as a primary. Even if I can get upwards of 400fps out of it, the accuracy sucks past 70ft, and the mags are heavy and difficult to carry spares (since all mine seem to spew BBs out any time there is a slight bit of pressure on the top of the mag). Best to go for an MP5K type thing if you want a compact primary.

EDIT: Since ppl took my advice wrong please let me re-word it. All of these people have good points to buy an AEG, personally I would too. If you would like the MAC11 as a sidearm or to plink, go for it. :)

Wait... Carvs, didn't you only get here about a month ago?

Bad idea. Buy an AEG.

Newbies (less than one year) know everything, always. Those with less than one month or week are omniscient and godlike in their knowledge. What they do is perfect, no matter what the basic facts indicate.

And usually, Newbies will give expert advice to other newbies. I'm surprised that you have not noticed that trend yet.

Grey everyone notices the trend. It's just so rampant that I figure people have given up pointing it out.

M11 are one of my fav guns, I've owned I think 4 or 5 of them thus far but currently own zero. That's right, zero. I like to play around with these guns but when it comes down to them being practical, they fail. Look cool, sound cool, scare some people with their high ROF but overall, they are not all that great. I would never suggest using it for a primary, ever.

You want something cheap go with a Marui Spring Shotgun, one of the Benelli's ... now those are fun and have decent range.

Better yet take a look around here once you get verified for the buy & sell and you can find great deals on a AK Beita Spetsnaz. I would know, I bought a bunch of them. Can't go wrong with a version 3 mechbox. Since money is a factor you can pick up one high-cap for the AK that holds 600 rounds. The Spets does come with a 250 round shorty high-cap mag which is not bad either.

Ah... once again, you're right.
No offence, Carvs, but I seem to recall you ordering a cheap springer Beretta from the UK...
As for the subject, I've heard of people using them as primaries. I wouldn't recommend it, but they seem to be plenty happy. However, I'd have to agree- AEG first.

Damn right we are planty happy.

I used a KSC M11 a while back as my primary and only at an outdoor field. It is all personal preference. If you like the gun, go for it as long as it isn't horribly week.

That said, it also comes down to physical fitness. No offence to anyone or anything but if you're using an assortment of hicaps and you only ever play with AEG's, it's likely your not the fittest of the bunch. Yes there are other reasons don't get me wrong. Anyway, I am able to run around like crazy while playing airsoft for an unlimited amount of time so I was always able to sneak into position or run my ass out of the situation if needed. I found myself to be at ABSOULUTLY NO DISADVANTAGE what-so-ever. The fact that I had less amount of ammo was balanced out by extra mobility and being able to blow people away with like 20 shots in .5 seconds. People didn't take me seriously when I used just a pistol with 3 mags a while ago too.......but having people underestimate you is your best advantage.....just so long as your gun works. I hadn't gotten my mag puches for my M11 mags when I played so I had to use pockets.This caused jams because it beat down on the feed lip thingy. But it wasn't too much of a problem. Even then I still felt equal to others on the field.

As for the high rate of fire........ever heard of semi? .2 second bursts? It's about how much ammo you have not how much you can waste. I had 4 mags so 200 shots at my disposal. Only shoot what you will hit. And you must go to what you want to hit more often cause chances are, it ain't gonna come within your range. But range isn't even too bad with the M11.

If I can fit a longer inner barrel into where a silencer would extrude, I may consider it... I'm not hugely worried over range deficiency. However, the Beta Spet's do seem pretty righteous I've hear they feel kind of weak, and the stock is shoddy though.. hmm...

Hey I am glad everyone is appreciating my advice! As I said before, I am newer to airsoft and I dont know much information. (Re-read and youll see.) Greylocks, you have a "nice" way of showing it to others. Anyways, I did not buy a springer, it was a beretta lighter for my collectoins(If I said springer, I meant lighter. Airsoft is on the mind). Springers are fun plinkers but everyone knows they suck ass in a game. As I said before, buy an AEG. Although I am new (And I even said I was!!!) I am definately willing to give some of my half decent 2 cents.

Merry Christmas!

Full Auto is over-rated.

I've had a few m11s pass through my hands a few times. And at one point I DID have an extended inner barrel that extended into the supressor, it was FANTASTIC!!

I had huge increases in range, and accuracy. Also the FPS went from 300 FPS to 380 FPS! I could shoot through cardboard boxes, enter one side and exit the other, and still have the BB ricochet off a wall on the other side! The ROF did drop from 20 RPS to 15 RPS though, but the guns was still a bullet hose.

The Supressor did manage to keep the noise levels down a bit too.

I only had the chance to play with it indoors and only as a Referee's gun (our indoor FPS limit is 350, unless you're reffing, and then you get up to 400 FPS). I sold it before the outdoor season started and never had the opputunity to use it. I had 5 mags total to share between 2 M11s and i never needed to reload any of the mags in 45 minute CQB game.

If you wanted to use it for a primary you could do it with the extended inner barrel, but you have to get them custom made, since no one actually makes an aftermarket one. If you do plan to get an M11 and you do want that inner barrel, i can see if my friend (who bought the m11 from me) still has the barrel and if he's willing to sell it, in fact i think he has the whole gun for sale now, i can ask him if you're interested, provided you are actually verified for buying guns.

Agree - with that barrel, it can be made effective for outdoor use - and it makes CQB even better, if you can keep the FPS right around that acceptable level (350ish).

I know www.deescustoms.com will be coming out with some silencer + extended tightbore packages soon, and we're handling their Canada distribution and will bring some across when they’re available.

I've already tried out Dee’s 6.01 on a couple of my M4 and M733s and it's mind blowing. I also sent one on up to Randy @ DEA and am awaiting his review.... Dee's tested his 6.01's on a couple GBB's and Mac's and has had great results too – hence the upcoming package release.

Not sure on a release date though...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ilencer_lg.jpg

But as you know, any product that’s manufac'd is going to be way more expensive than a home made setup. I expect a silencer + tightbore package to be around 120 CAD, give or take.

Get an AEG the mac11 are awsome toys, but so many things wear down like the bolt.
also running propane/green gas will kill your mac. The amount of money you'll save in repairs and gas with the purchase of an AEG crazy. also look into the fact that GBB's have way more problems then AEG's alot of them is due to people running green in them when there not suppose to.

Used on in a CQB game (courtesy of nutboi), while it was fun shooting up boxes on full auto, i found M11 rather.. unreliable. BBs kept getting jammed (probably due to aftermarket mags). Buy yourself an AEG.